Brawl at Gay Pride Fest in Seattle , God Squad at it Again

krudler · 08-07-2013 11:07AM

floggg wrote: »

I see.

So when Christians try and enforce themselves and their beliefs on gay people by name calling (sinner/deviant/damned/abomination etc) it's called freedom of speech.

But when somebody else does it to the Christians it's an outrageous attack of some variety.

Makes sense :rolleyes:

Must be awful when you can't even express your bigoted beliefs without someone harassing you about it.

CdeC · 08-07-2013 11:16AM

When I first went to the Dublin Pride march there were groups of catholic picketers at the entrance to the civic offices where the parade ended. It was really nasty after a march through Dublin where you felt welcome and empowered to be greeted by signs that you're going to burn in hell.
There was never any violence but a group of people on a float had a bucket of condoms and threw handfuls at them. Just to let them know that they should please f**koff.

Was funny,

there was retaliaton and noone really got hurt.

keano_afc · 08-07-2013 11:17AM

Ush1 wrote: »

Should people be able to say what they like without consequences? I don't think so.

Freedom to say what you like but there always should be consequences.

Violent consequences? Its ok to blindside someone and punch them in the back of their head if they are of a different opinion to you?

TeddyTedson · 08-07-2013 11:20AM

nucker wrote: »

I have the right to disagree with anyone I choose to, it isn't your right to enforce yourself by calling people 'bigots' because you or I don't agree with people. What would be the point of having freedom of speech if you enforced yourself, just because you get offended? I got offended by someone last week about Katie Hopkins who said she discriminated a person because of their name, but I didn't start calling her a bigot, there is no need for that

You're right, you can disagree with anyone you choose to. Sadly for you though it doesn't make you correct.
Look up the meaning of the word bigot.

Ush1 · 08-07-2013 11:23AM

keano_afc wrote: »

Violent consequences? Its ok to blindside someone and punch them in the back of their head if they are of a different opinion to you?

I haven't specifically watched the clip but it's a limp wristed society that would allow protection of people who under ordinary circumstances would not act like they do.

Remember that kid that shot up those kids at his school in America recently and he said to the victims parents in court that he was **** with the hand that shot their children? The only reason he could do such a thing is that he is in our modern liberal society and there was no immediate consequence to his actions.

If that was in a small village in the pacific islands the community would likely rally together and beat him to death.

"Different opinion" and how you put that across should be taken into consideration. Whether we think getting punched for something inflammatory be said is "right" is probably not the point, it's to be expected often.

Guill · 08-07-2013 11:27AM

He needs to be saved from chips...

Dyr · 08-07-2013 11:28AM

keano_afc wrote: »

Violent consequences? Its ok to blindside someone and punch them in the back of their head if they are of a different opinion to you?

Only if it's gods will

Sofaspud · 08-07-2013 11:31AM

People should start picketing at religious events.

Go to the vatican, Easter parades or christmas mass with signs saying "Homosexuality is brilliant" or "Rock music and alcohol are quite fun, actually".

I'd love to see the response to that.

RDM_83 again · 08-07-2013 11:32AM

floggg wrote: »

I dunno. I'm pretty sure most people would applaud seeing the Westboro loons getting a few slaps.

Except maybe when they are protesting a One Direction. That's God's work!

To be fair, your picking a very similar group of protester in that example, I can't see this level of victim blaming happing if a mens right activist smacked somebody abusing them after a meeting. Its this idea that its free speech as long as I agree with it.

ps Its the actual violence and threats that I;ve a problem the yelling at them not so much.

krudler · 08-07-2013 11:35AM

Sofaspud wrote: »

People should start picketing at religious events.

Go to the vatican, Easter parades or christmas mass with signs saying "Homosexuality is brilliant" or "Rock music and alcohol are quite fun, actually".

I'd love to see the response to that.

Oh no see that would be "Christian bashing" Christians are fully free to protest things that scare them but if you call them out on their bullsh1t it's then religious oppression.

D-FENS · 08-07-2013 11:52AM

They got a lovely day for it all the same

nucker · 08-07-2013 12:02PM

TeddyTedson wrote: »

You're right, you can disagree with anyone you choose to. Sadly for you though it doesn't make you correct.
Look up the meaning of the word bigot.

But that doesn't mean they are bigoted, they are just saying that homosexuality is wrong

padd b1975 · 08-07-2013 12:03PM

Sofaspud wrote: »

People should start picketing at religious events.

Go to the vatican, Easter parades or christmas mass with signs saying "Homosexuality is brilliant" or "Rock music and alcohol are quite fun, actually".

I'd love to see the response to that.

Why are you suggesting other people do the picketing??

Go and do it yourself and experience the response at first hand.

Your keyboard will still be where you left it when you get home.:p

krudler · 08-07-2013 12:13PM

nucker wrote: »

But that doesn't mean they are bigoted, they are just saying that homosexuality is wrong

Eh, yeah, it does.

floggg · 08-07-2013 12:15PM

nucker wrote: »

But that doesn't mean they are bigoted, they are just saying that homosexuality is wrong

bigot[ big-uht ]
noun
1. a person who is utterly intolerant of any differing creed, belief, or opinion.

Protesting against homosexuality and homosexuals seems pretty intolerant of gay people's rights, religious beliefs, opinions etc to me.

It ain't like they just disagree, they are going out of their way to tell gay people they are wrong, sinners and will burn in a non-existent hell.

nucker · 08-07-2013 12:22PM

floggg wrote: »

bigot[ big-uht ]
noun
1. a person who is utterly intolerant of any differing creed, belief, or opinion.

Protesting against homosexuality and homosexuals seems pretty intolerant of gay people's rights, religious beliefs, opinions etc to me.

It ain't like they just disagree, they are going out of their way to tell gay people they are wrong, sinners and will burn in a non-existent hell.

It doesn't mean to say that they are bigots, everyone has the right to say whether its wrong or right

floggg · 08-07-2013 12:31PM

nucker wrote: »

It doesn't mean to say that they are bigots, everyone has the right to say whether its wrong or right

Why doesn't it? Because you don't like the term?

Tough titties.

You do realise theres a massive logical inconsistency in defending their right to call me a deviant whilst arguing I don't have the right to call them a bigot in response.

I guess though logical consistency isn't really all that big a deal in Christian circles.

nucker · 08-07-2013 12:33PM

floggg wrote: »

Why doesn't it? Because you don't like the term?

Tough titties.

You do realise theres a massive logical inconsistency in defending their right to call me a deviant whilst arguing I don't have the right to call them a bigot in response.

I guess though logical consistency isn't really all that big a deal in Christian circles.

I don't defend the use of violence, but there is no bigotry in holding up a placard, otherwise all protesters, because you think that way, should be called bigots, how is that?

Artful_Badger · 08-07-2013 12:37PM

Bigotry is the state of mind of a bigot: someone who, as a result of their prejudices, treats other people with hatred, contempt, or intolerance on the basis of a person's ethnicity, religion, national origin, gender, sexual orientation, disability, socioeconomic status, or other characteristics

It kinda goes both ways, yes the church nuts were being intolerant of how other people choose to live their lives and should piss off and mind their own business. But to attack them for expressing their beliefs (which they are entitled to do) doesnt exactly put the other side of the argument on the moral high ground.

SoulandForm · 08-07-2013 12:37PM

The Aussie wrote: »

So the God Squad went there looking for a fight and found what they wanted.....

A religion of peace and understanding, one thing I realized years ago that Christian Extremists are just as looney as their Muslim brothers.

No they went to give a message of hope and salvation. The rate of self harm, drug abuse and suicide among those involved in the homosexual culture rises each year despite society's approval even in the west for its behaviour rising each year.

Personally as a Christian I think they were wrong to do what they did as the Gospel commands us; "do not cast pearls before swine".

Canard · 08-07-2013 12:38PM

I think what a lot of people are forgetting is that it's not always as simple as "just ignore them". It's not very different to bullying. If you were told every day that you were going to hell over something you couldn't change then finally worked up the courage to go to a gay pride march and were STILL told that by "loving Christians", you probably wouldn't be able to just ignore it. And I don't condone the violence before anyone else assumes I did, but the situations presented to me in other posts werent comparable. I'm always conscious of the fact that so many young gay people killed themselves because of society's intolerance and I have NO time for hypocrites who act like they mean well with their bigotry.

And yes, bigotry is the word for it. If you do that you are a bigot, plain and simple. It's NOT the same as disagreeing with someone on logical grounds.

SoulandForm · 08-07-2013 12:41PM

nucker wrote: »

I don't defend the use of violence, but there is no bigotry in holding up a placard, otherwise all protesters, because you think that way, should be called bigots, how is that?

I am bigoted against against beastilaity, necrophilia and homosexuality. Can you explain what exactly is wrong with that?

I am also bigoted against house breaking and many other things.

Bigotry isnt necessarily bad.

krudler · 08-07-2013 12:42PM

nucker wrote: »

I don't defend the use of violence, but there is no bigotry in holding up a placard, otherwise all protesters, because you think that way, should be called bigots, how is that?

Depends on what's being protested, political differences is one thing, hating people because of what they are is bigotry, simple as.

Do you actually understand what the term bigotry means? I don't think you do.

floggg · 08-07-2013 12:42PM

nucker wrote: »

I don't defend the use of violence, but there is no bigotry in holding up a placard, otherwise all protesters, because you think that way, should be called bigots, how is that?

No, not all protesters.

Just the ones who express bigoted, intolerant views on their signs.

Heck, you don't even need a sign to be a bigot.

It's mainly a case of holding and expressing bigoted views.

Now, I'm sure you're thinking "surely you can disapprove of homosexuality and not be a bigot."

Perhaps, but it's difficult to see how anybody who goes around proclaiming it to be "wrong" (according to who's standards) shouldn't be called a bigot. They are being intolerant to somebody else's right to live their life and have relationships as they wish without interference from others who love any objectively justifiable reason to so interfere.

Now, if you disagreed with homosexuality per sé, but were happy for homosexuals to be able to live their lives freely and without fear, and to order their relationships as they wished, then the term "bigot" probably shouldn't apply.

But you wouldn't be making signs and telling gay pride attendees that they would burn in tell in that case, would you.

floggg · 08-07-2013 12:46PM

Artful_Badger wrote: »

It kinda goes both ways, yes the church nuts were being intolerant of how other people choose to live their lives and should piss off and mind their own business. But to attack them for expressing their beliefs (which they are entitled to do) doesnt exactly put the other side of the argument on the moral high ground.

No, it doesn't. And I don't think many would condone the attacker (who clearly seems like a bit of a nut job).

I think it's revealing that at the millions attending pride events worldwide, many of whom face even worse protests (check out the rash of violent attacks against pride attendees in Eastern Europe for example), there are so few incidents like this.

nucker · 08-07-2013 12:49PM

floggg wrote: »

No, not all protesters.

Just the ones who express bigoted, intolerant views on their signs.

You see, you are just being bigoted here because you don't agree with it, nothing to do with tolerance. Why should anyone agree with you?

Allyall · 08-07-2013 12:49PM

Every single person in that video is a F*****g ásshóle.

floggg · 08-07-2013 12:50PM

SoulandForm wrote: »

No they went to give a message of hope and salvation. The rate of self harm, drug abuse and suicide among those involved in the homosexual culture rises each year despite society's approval even in the west for its behaviour rising each year.

Personally as a Christian I think they were wrong to do what they did as the Gospel commands us; "do not cast pearls before swine".

I would point out that most of those problems are because of how they are made to feel by people who express attitudes like yours, but your either trolling or seem just too proudly bigoted and ignorant for me to waste my time attempting to engage in rational discourse.

nucker · 08-07-2013 12:51PM

Artful_Badger wrote: »

It kinda goes both ways, yes the church nuts were being intolerant of how other people choose to live their lives and should piss off and mind their own business. But to attack them for expressing their beliefs (which they are entitled to do) doesnt exactly put the other side of the argument on the moral high ground.

The thing is, this happened at a gay pride march something to do with telling the world how glad they are being gay, i.e. letting everyone know that they are gay including letting the ones who you call "church nuts". If they kept it underwraps i.e. no gay pride marc, I don't think there would be a protest to go against it because there would be nothing to "protest" about

floggg · 08-07-2013 12:52PM

nucker wrote: »

You see, you are just being bigoted here because you don't agree with it, nothing to do with tolerance. Why should anyone agree with you?

Lol.

Excellent comprehension skills there.

Keep up the good work.

Brawl at Gay Pride Fest in Seattle , God Squad at it Again

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