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It’s Labour’s way or Frankfurt’s way aka the Irish people lied to

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  • #32
    skimpydoo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,727 ✭✭✭skimpydoo


    Jimoslimos wrote: »
    Subtle, very subtle indeed.
    Who would you trust Enda no backbone Kenny and Eamon Frankfurt's way Gilmore or Declan Ganley?. I guess you would prefer if the full facts of what caused Ireland's mess never came out and that the perps got of scot free.


  • #33
    Foxhound38
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,547 ✭✭✭Foxhound38


    I love the way that stupid "It's Labour's way or Frankfurt's way" line that that fool Eamon Gilmore said during the election is constantly, daily trotted out by people with a bee up their bonnet about Labour - it's not getting old or grating at all...

    I've no love for the Labour Party, but this is getting ridiculous. They're getting slapped around by FG in Government, and are unlikely to be in a position whereby the can tie their shoelaces without permission at the moment, yet somehow every moron in the place is more than willing to ignore FG and send 90% of the blame in Labour's direction.

    Labour can't push diddly squat right now - unless you want to make the argument that they at all of 7-9% popularity are in any way ready to fight an election right now? So FG can essentially slap them about like a red headed stepchild with impunity while that remains the case.

    Don't get me wrong - I want to see Labour punished in the next election. They made some very foolish promises during the election, and there needs to be a cost to that. But to blame them for EVERYTHING that is going on is to ignore the people actually calling the shots around these parts, in as much as anyone is - FG.


  • #34
    skimpydoo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,727 ✭✭✭skimpydoo


    Foxhound38 wrote: »
    I love the way that stupid "It's Labour's way or Frankfurt's way" line that that fool Eamon Gilmore said during the election is constantly, daily trotted out by people with a bee up their bonnet about Labour - it's not getting old or grating at all...

    I've no love for the Labour Party, but this is getting ridiculous. They're getting slapped around by FG in Government, and are unlikely to be in a position whereby the can tie their shoelaces without permission at the moment, yet somehow every moron in the place is more than willing to ignore FG and send 90% of the blame in Labour's direction.

    Labour can't push diddly squat right now - unless you want to make the argument that they at all of 7-9% popularity are in any way ready to fight an election right now? So FG can essentially slap them about like a red headed stepchild with impunity while that remains the case.

    Don't get me wrong - I want to see Labour punished in the next election. They made some very foolish promises during the election, and there needs to be a cost to that. But to blame them for EVERYTHING that is going on is to ignore the people actually calling the shots around these parts, in as much as anyone is - FG.
    I don't just blame labour but if they had any balls they would do a Roisin Shorthall and pull out of government. By pulling out of government, there would have to be a new election so they have more power than you suggest.


  • #35
    Foxhound38
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,547 ✭✭✭Foxhound38


    skimpydoo wrote: »
    I don't just blame labour but if they had any balls they would do a Roisin Shorthall and pull out of government. By pulling out of government, there would have to be a new election so they have more power than you suggest.

    Their current support levels makes the option of pulling out a political insanity - FG is in a position to fight an election right now, Labour would (rightly) be accused by all and sundry of pulling a party populist stunt to save their own skins while the economy burned, and would (rightly) be nailed in any opposing manifesto points they brought forward because of their participation in the current government. They would be decimated and might just eek out 4th place after SF.

    At least if they stay in, there might be some turnaround and they might be able to bring some sort of victory to the table come the next election. Unlikely, but a better chance than they would have going to the electorate right now.

    I say this as someone who thinks they were extremely foolish to go into this government, on the sort of numbers disparity they have with FG. It was always going to be a one-sided relationship. That said, did they have much choice after GE2011? Likely they would have been lashed out of it had they refused to enter Government too - playing politics while the country needed stability. Damned if they did, and damned if they didn't perhaps, who knows...


  • #36
    Pherekydes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,339 ✭✭✭✭Pherekydes


    When someone makes a promise and it turns out that they don't, or can't, keep that promise it doesn't mean the promise is a lie.

    If you voted Labour because of the promises they made then it just makes you seem immature. I'm sure you're one of those gullible voters who voted for the eFFers because of the promises they made.


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  • #37
    camel jockey
    Closed Accounts Posts: 909 ✭✭✭camel jockey


    what has any of this got to do with Frankfurt?


  • #38
    Gambas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 847 ✭✭✭Gambas


    skimpydoo wrote: »
    I don't just blame labour but if they had any balls they would do a Roisin Shorthall and pull out of government. By pulling out of government, there would have to be a new election so they have more power than you suggest.

    Great. They have the power to cause an election. You think that they would be thanked by the public for foisting an election campaign on them, half way through their term? And what would be the end result of the election? Less Labour, more FF, more SF, less FG and a government that implements the same broad policies as this one. The same people that bought into the Labour and SF auction policies at the last election will be just as gullible this time around and will be starting threads in 2 years time about how they were lied too. Anyone who is genuinely let down by Labour shouldn't be allowed to vote on the basis of naiveity.


  • #39
    skimpydoo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,727 ✭✭✭skimpydoo


    Pherekydes wrote: »
    When someone makes a promise and it turns out that they don't, or can't, keep that promise it doesn't mean the promise is a lie.

    If you voted Labour because of the promises they made then it just makes you seem immature. I'm sure you're one of those gullible voters who voted for the eFFers because of the promises they made.
    If they had said we will try to do for example Our Way not Frankfurt's way that is not a lie. We will try is not a promise and they would have got more understanding from the public. I also never voted for them either.


  • #40
    kraggy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,414 ✭✭✭kraggy


    Dostoevsky wrote: »
    Ganley is as shady a character as they come. The source of his wealth is as dubious as his changeable national identity. His econonic ideas make Michael McDowell seem like a cross between Peadar O Donnell and Che Guevara. His proposal that everybody pay 20% income tax regardless of income would gladden the heart of any "no such thing as society" sociopath from the Margaret Thatcher fan club.

    There are no political alternatives to the policies of the four main parties, nor will there be until the Irish people mass mobilise to change the state's political culture. Simple, really.

    Not only is Ganley entitled to an Irish passport due to both his parents being Irish, but he moved here from Watford when he was just 13.

    Thousands of others have done the same because of their parents having worked abroad for a period. Would you question their Irishness also?

    I doubt it.


  • #41
    skimpydoo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,727 ✭✭✭skimpydoo


    kraggy wrote: »
    Not only is Ganley entitled to an Irish passport due to both his parents being Irish, but he moved here from Watford when he was just 13.

    Thousands of others have done the same because of their parents having worked abroad for a period. Would you question their Irishness also?

    I doubt it.

    Well said how many boardsies were born abroad from Irish parents. I was does that mean my Irishness will be questioned too?.


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  • #42
    Phoebas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,373 ✭✭✭Phoebas


    skimpydoo wrote: »
    And yes I am proud. Proud for not voting for FF since 2002.
    You voted for FF in '02 when Bertie was running the show and the party was rotten with corruption from the Haughy era!

    You're not exactly covering yourself in glory in this thread.


  • #43
    Phoebas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,373 ✭✭✭Phoebas


    skimpydoo wrote: »
    If they had said we will try to do for example Our Way not Frankfurt's way that is not a lie.
    He said it was Labour's way or Frankfurt's way and he was right.

    It was Frankfurt's way. :pac:


  • #44
    skimpydoo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,727 ✭✭✭skimpydoo


    Phoebas wrote: »
    You voted for FF in '02 when Bertie was running the show and the party was rotten with corruption from the Haughy era!

    You're not exactly covering yourself in glory in this thread.
    A decision I came to regret shortly after the election and I vowed never to vote for them again.


  • #45
    Mr Benevolent
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,433 ✭✭✭✭Mr Benevolent


    Dartz wrote: »
    Can't vote for Fianna Fail. Can't vote for Fine Geal. Can't vote for Labour. Can't vote for Sinn Fein...

    What the **** is left?

    Me.


  • #46
    skimpydoo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,727 ✭✭✭skimpydoo


    Mr Benevolent wrote: »
    Me.
    Lets start a Benevolent Fund.


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