It’s Labour’s way or Frankfurt’s way aka the Irish people lied to

skimpydoo

Since Gilmore and his cronies blatantly lied to us shouldn't we make sure that Labour do not get any seats in the local elections next year. They need to be shown that we the Irish people have had enough of what their party is putting us through. Before anyone jumps in and says FF got us in this mess, Labour still voted for the bank guarantee. We all know that the developers and bankers etc who helped cause this mess will get off scot free.

Poo Fingers

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Agricola

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yAS0c5AkiNg

policarp

Deuchland, Duechland, Diechland,
Uber Alice. . .
Labour can't even spell Labor. . .

Dartz

Can't vote for Fianna Fail. Can't vote for Fine Geal. Can't vote for Labour. Can't vote for Sinn Fein...

What the **** is left?

Balmed Out

Is there a party that hasn't lied to us?

flutered

it took a long time for you to realise this.

skimpydoo

Agricola wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yAS0c5AkiNg

Isn't that what you tend to do during an election said Pat The Hat Rabbitte. Well Pat I hope your party goes the same way as the Greens and also the PD's.

Bassfish

Dartz wrote: »

Can't vote for Fianna Fail. Can't vote for Fine Geal. Can't vote for Labour. Can't vote for Sinn Fein...

What the **** is left?

Unfortunately, history tells us that this is the situation that often leads to dangerous far right/far left nut cases getting elected, especially when they have the cop on to present themselves as mainstream and respectable.

dar926

Cant stand Labour.. But they didn't vote for the bank guarantee, they were the only party that didnt

skimpydoo

flutered wrote: »

it took a long time for you to realise this.

No that's why I only voted for Independent's in the last election.

downonthefarm

Balmed Out wrote: »

Is there a party that hasn't lied to us?

anne summers party?

danthedolphin

dar926 wrote: »

Cant stand Labour.. But they didn't vote for the bank guarantee, they were the only party that didnt

And haven't they been making up for it ever since.

Peregrine

policarp wrote: »

Labour can't even spell Labor. . .

I spell it 'Labour'..

You're not in America

skimpydoo

dar926 wrote: »

Cant stand Labour.. But they didn't vote for the bank guarantee, they were the only party that didnt

i stand corrected.

Labour claims that it did not support the guarantee. Brian Lenihan said that they only objected to it on technical grounds.

In September 2008, Joan Burton called on the government to raise the limit on the deposit protection scheme from €20k to €100k.

On Prime Time 2011 last Joan Burton said that anyone who bought bonds in Anglo and Irish Natiowide since 2006 should be burnt because "the dogs in the street knew that these banks were compromised". If she knew back in 2006 that these banks were compromised, why did she want to increase the guarantee to the depositors in these institutions?

TheFOB

skimpydoo wrote: »

i stand corrected.

Labour claims that it did not support the guarantee. Brian Lenihan said that they only objected to it on technical grounds.

In September 2008, Joan Burton called on the government to raise the limit on the deposit protection scheme from €20k to €100k.

On Prime Time 2011 last Joan Burton said that anyone who bought bonds in Anglo and Irish Natiowide since 2006 should be burnt because "the dogs in the street knew that these banks were compromised". If she knew back in 2006 that these banks were compromised, why did she want to increase the guarantee to the depositors in these institutions?

You're mixing up bond holders and ordinary depositors. Bond holders refer mainly to the large European banks, governments and the ECB, depositors were your local butchers etc. who had their business loans with Anglo.

policarp

Nimrod 7 wrote: »

I spell it 'Labour'..

You're not in America

That was supposed to be a tongue in cheek comment.
In other words they don't know what they are doing. . .
Or where they are going. . .

Pride Fighter

Bunch of sellouts, you know what to do at the next local elections. Punish them.

But dont vote FF or FG, they are even worse.

flutered

naw he should be called the fat phat bunny, getit.

yosser hughes

skimpydoo wrote: »

Since Gilmore and his cronies blatantly lied to us shouldn't we make sure that Labour do not get any seats in the local elections next year. They need to be shown that we the Irish people have had enough of what their party is putting us through. Before anyone jumps in and says FF got us in this mess, Labour still voted for the bank guarantee. We all know that the developers and bankers etc who helped cause this mess will get off scot free.

Maybe before throwing around accusations and getting on your high horse you should inform yourself first.
Labour didn't vote for the bank guarantee and you don't actually have a clue about what you're talking about.
Yes, Fianna fail got us in this mess and I've no doubt you will vote for them the first chance you get.Well done. I hope you're proud.
What age age are you?

The_Valeyard

Dartz wrote: »

Can't vote for Fianna Fail. Can't vote for Fine Geal. Can't vote for Labour. Can't vote for Sinn Fein...

What the **** is left?

+1 on this.


Very frustrating. It leave me with a bemused rage.

skimpydoo

yosser hughes wrote: »

Maybe before throwing around accusations and getting on your high horse you should inform yourself first.
Labour didn't vote for the bank guarantee and you don't actually have a clue about what you're talking about.
Yes, Fianna fail got us in this mess and I've no doubt you will vote for them the first chance you get.Well done. I hope you're proud.
What age age are you?

I admitted earlier in another post that I was wrong in stating that labour voted for the bank guarantee plan so I suggest that you take a look at my earlier posts.

As for assuming I will vote FF again you don't know mew that well.
I will never ever vote for FF, FG ever again. In 2007 I voted for Lucinda Creighton my local councilor as I was sick of how FF were running the country. In the last election I voted for 2 Independents and stayed clear of FG who sadly never got in especially Paul Sommerville who like Stephen Donnelly would have added a lot to the Dail. I have never ever voted Labour and I have only voted FF in 1997 and 2001.

And yes I am proud. Proud for not voting for FF since 2002.

skimpydoo

The_Valeyard wrote: »

+1 on this.


Very frustrating. It leave me with a bemused rage.

There is always Ganley if he forms a party or Independents.

Dartz

Can we start our own party?

What happened to the Pirate Party?

Kev.OC

skimpydoo wrote: »

There is always Ganley if he forms a party or Independents.

He'd get my vote anyway.

I wasn't following politics at all last time he was running, but my memory of it is that anytime he was debating any politicians they were attacking him and demanding to know where his money came from, rather than directly debating his policies. That, to me, gives the impression that the politicians didn't have a leg to stand on. He has solid arguments so instead of debating him on the points they tried to discredit him.

I could be completely wrong about all that, but that's how I remember it. It's depressing that when it comes to politics in Ireland, our two biggest parties are Fianna Fail and Fine Gael. Two cheeks of the same arse.

skimpydoo

Kev.OC wrote: »

He'd get my vote anyway.

I wasn't following politics at all last time he was running, but my memory of it is that anytime he was debating any politicians they were attacking him and demanding to know where his money came from, rather than directly debating his policies. That, to me, gives the impression that the politicians didn't have a leg to stand on. He has solid arguments so instead of debating him on the points they tried to discredit him.

I could be completely wrong about all that, but that's how I remember it. It's depressing that when it comes to politics in Ireland, our two biggest parties are Fianna Fail and Fine Gael. Two cheeks of the same arse.

FF & FG are civil war politics. Ganley is a breath of fresh air and like you said those who discredit him do not do so on his policies which I must say are rather good. As he also has no links to any bankers or civil servants you can be guaranteed a good investigation into what happened to the banks and he also wants the Bond Holders to repay us back.

shedweller

Poo Fingers wrote: »

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Sorry, what the **** is this ****?

Celly Smunt

Anybody who actually believed the promises made by any of the party's during the run up to that election should have their voting rights stripped from them.We'll have Labour TD's jumping ship to the united left coming up to the next elections spouting the same shite joe soap wants to hear in order to help themselves out of the sinking ship that is labour.The next government will put the final nail in Ireland's coffin next time around,as i am fearing we might have a basket case left majority from sinn fein and others.

Dostoevsky

Ganley is as shady a character as they come. The source of his wealth is as dubious as his changeable national identity. His econonic ideas make Michael McDowell seem like a cross between Peadar O Donnell and Che Guevara. His proposal that everybody pay 20% income tax regardless of income would gladden the heart of any "no such thing as society" sociopath from the Margaret Thatcher fan club.

There are no political alternatives to the policies of the four main parties, nor will there be until the Irish people mass mobilise to change the state's political culture. Simple, really.

Cookie_Monster

Dartz wrote: »

Can't vote for Fianna Fail. Can't vote for Fine Geal. Can't vote for Labour. Can't vote for Sinn Fein...

What the **** is left?

The Green Party of course
:pac:

Jimoslimos

skimpydoo wrote: »

There is always Ganley if he forms a party or Independents.

skimpydoo wrote: »

FF & FG are civil war politics. Ganley is a breath of fresh air and like you said those who discredit him do not do so on his policies which I must say are rather good. As he also has no links to any bankers or civil servants you can be guaranteed a good investigation into what happened to the banks and he also wants the Bond Holders to repay us back.

Subtle, very subtle indeed.

skimpydoo

Jimoslimos wrote: »

Subtle, very subtle indeed.

Who would you trust Enda no backbone Kenny and Eamon Frankfurt's way Gilmore or Declan Ganley?. I guess you would prefer if the full facts of what caused Ireland's mess never came out and that the perps got of scot free.

Foxhound38

I love the way that stupid "It's Labour's way or Frankfurt's way" line that that fool Eamon Gilmore said during the election is constantly, daily trotted out by people with a bee up their bonnet about Labour - it's not getting old or grating at all...

I've no love for the Labour Party, but this is getting ridiculous. They're getting slapped around by FG in Government, and are unlikely to be in a position whereby the can tie their shoelaces without permission at the moment, yet somehow every moron in the place is more than willing to ignore FG and send 90% of the blame in Labour's direction.

Labour can't push diddly squat right now - unless you want to make the argument that they at all of 7-9% popularity are in any way ready to fight an election right now? So FG can essentially slap them about like a red headed stepchild with impunity while that remains the case.

Don't get me wrong - I want to see Labour punished in the next election. They made some very foolish promises during the election, and there needs to be a cost to that. But to blame them for EVERYTHING that is going on is to ignore the people actually calling the shots around these parts, in as much as anyone is - FG.

skimpydoo

Foxhound38 wrote: »

I love the way that stupid "It's Labour's way or Frankfurt's way" line that that fool Eamon Gilmore said during the election is constantly, daily trotted out by people with a bee up their bonnet about Labour - it's not getting old or grating at all...

I've no love for the Labour Party, but this is getting ridiculous. They're getting slapped around by FG in Government, and are unlikely to be in a position whereby the can tie their shoelaces without permission at the moment, yet somehow every moron in the place is more than willing to ignore FG and send 90% of the blame in Labour's direction.

Labour can't push diddly squat right now - unless you want to make the argument that they at all of 7-9% popularity are in any way ready to fight an election right now? So FG can essentially slap them about like a red headed stepchild with impunity while that remains the case.

Don't get me wrong - I want to see Labour punished in the next election. They made some very foolish promises during the election, and there needs to be a cost to that. But to blame them for EVERYTHING that is going on is to ignore the people actually calling the shots around these parts, in as much as anyone is - FG.

I don't just blame labour but if they had any balls they would do a Roisin Shorthall and pull out of government. By pulling out of government, there would have to be a new election so they have more power than you suggest.

Foxhound38

skimpydoo wrote: »

I don't just blame labour but if they had any balls they would do a Roisin Shorthall and pull out of government. By pulling out of government, there would have to be a new election so they have more power than you suggest.

Their current support levels makes the option of pulling out a political insanity - FG is in a position to fight an election right now, Labour would (rightly) be accused by all and sundry of pulling a party populist stunt to save their own skins while the economy burned, and would (rightly) be nailed in any opposing manifesto points they brought forward because of their participation in the current government. They would be decimated and might just eek out 4th place after SF.

At least if they stay in, there might be some turnaround and they might be able to bring some sort of victory to the table come the next election. Unlikely, but a better chance than they would have going to the electorate right now.

I say this as someone who thinks they were extremely foolish to go into this government, on the sort of numbers disparity they have with FG. It was always going to be a one-sided relationship. That said, did they have much choice after GE2011? Likely they would have been lashed out of it had they refused to enter Government too - playing politics while the country needed stability. Damned if they did, and damned if they didn't perhaps, who knows...

Pherekydes

When someone makes a promise and it turns out that they don't, or can't, keep that promise it doesn't mean the promise is a lie.

If you voted Labour because of the promises they made then it just makes you seem immature. I'm sure you're one of those gullible voters who voted for the eFFers because of the promises they made.

camel jockey

what has any of this got to do with Frankfurt?

Gambas

skimpydoo wrote: »

I don't just blame labour but if they had any balls they would do a Roisin Shorthall and pull out of government. By pulling out of government, there would have to be a new election so they have more power than you suggest.

Great. They have the power to cause an election. You think that they would be thanked by the public for foisting an election campaign on them, half way through their term? And what would be the end result of the election? Less Labour, more FF, more SF, less FG and a government that implements the same broad policies as this one. The same people that bought into the Labour and SF auction policies at the last election will be just as gullible this time around and will be starting threads in 2 years time about how they were lied too. Anyone who is genuinely let down by Labour shouldn't be allowed to vote on the basis of naiveity.

skimpydoo

Pherekydes wrote: »

When someone makes a promise and it turns out that they don't, or can't, keep that promise it doesn't mean the promise is a lie.

If you voted Labour because of the promises they made then it just makes you seem immature. I'm sure you're one of those gullible voters who voted for the eFFers because of the promises they made.

If they had said we will try to do for example Our Way not Frankfurt's way that is not a lie. We will try is not a promise and they would have got more understanding from the public. I also never voted for them either.

kraggy

Dostoevsky wrote: »

Ganley is as shady a character as they come. The source of his wealth is as dubious as his changeable national identity. His econonic ideas make Michael McDowell seem like a cross between Peadar O Donnell and Che Guevara. His proposal that everybody pay 20% income tax regardless of income would gladden the heart of any "no such thing as society" sociopath from the Margaret Thatcher fan club.

There are no political alternatives to the policies of the four main parties, nor will there be until the Irish people mass mobilise to change the state's political culture. Simple, really.

Not only is Ganley entitled to an Irish passport due to both his parents being Irish, but he moved here from Watford when he was just 13.

Thousands of others have done the same because of their parents having worked abroad for a period. Would you question their Irishness also?

I doubt it.

skimpydoo

kraggy wrote: »

Not only is Ganley entitled to an Irish passport due to both his parents being Irish, but he moved here from Watford when he was just 13.

Thousands of others have done the same because of their parents having worked abroad for a period. Would you question their Irishness also?

I doubt it.

Well said how many boardsies were born abroad from Irish parents. I was does that mean my Irishness will be questioned too?.

Phoebas

skimpydoo wrote: »

And yes I am proud. Proud for not voting for FF since 2002.

You voted for FF in '02 when Bertie was running the show and the party was rotten with corruption from the Haughy era!

You're not exactly covering yourself in glory in this thread.

Phoebas

skimpydoo wrote: »

If they had said we will try to do for example Our Way not Frankfurt's way that is not a lie.

He said it was Labour's way or Frankfurt's way and he was right.

It was Frankfurt's way. :pac:

skimpydoo

Phoebas wrote: »

You voted for FF in '02 when Bertie was running the show and the party was rotten with corruption from the Haughy era!

You're not exactly covering yourself in glory in this thread.

A decision I came to regret shortly after the election and I vowed never to vote for them again.

Mr Benevolent

Dartz wrote: »

Can't vote for Fianna Fail. Can't vote for Fine Geal. Can't vote for Labour. Can't vote for Sinn Fein...

What the **** is left?

Me.

skimpydoo

Mr Benevolent wrote: »

Me.

Lets start a Benevolent Fund.