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  • #1082
    Hidalgo
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    Thinkstoomuch wrote: »
    Thats fair enough ,you dont want to talk about that.

    I would like to ask one question but if you dont want to answer it fair enough,no bother at all.I dont want names or anything but when you say 28 staff is on the backroom team ,whats the breakdown of that.
    Are they Video anaylsts,physcologists,strength and conditionging coaches etc.????
    It is just I can not see how he needs that many backroom staff and wonder what are they roles.

    I have never heard such a number involved for an ameateur team or even close to it before.

    I've never heard what the total number is for the backroom team.
    There are 3 or 4 who by and large fulfil the role of gear men, washing it and laying it out before training/matches.

    There's also a goalkeeping coach afaik in Saoirse Bulfin of Limerick
    Not sure how many are involved in physical aspect of training, Joe O Connor (think he's a Cork man) is head of that department afaik


  • #1083
    Hidalgo
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    Clareman wrote: »
    I really really really really don't think we should be having anyone that was connected to the 90s teams, if we are looking to get Daly or Cyril back involved then we are just going around in circles. I think Cyril did a brilliant job with the under 21s and if he can/wants to he should keep involved with underage teams.

    Saying that Daly or Cyril would only result in going around in circles is doing both a disservice imo.
    Both would bring the team to another level, whether to the level we seek is another question.

    Staying as we are will most definitely result in going around in circles.
    We're nowhere near as bad as we looked last Sunday in fairness, but the win over Waterford papered over cracks, cracks that were then opened and exposed V Cork.


  • #1084
    grimbergen
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    Hidalgo wrote: »
    I've never heard what the total number is for the backroom team.
    There are 3 or 4 who by and large fulfil the role of gear men, washing it and laying it out before training/matches.

    There's also a goalkeeping coach afaik in Saoirse Bulfin of Limerick
    Not sure how many are involved in physical aspect of training, Joe O Connor (think he's a Cork man) is head of that department afaik

    Think Paul Kinnerk, Limerick footballer, is the physical coach. I heard two years ago from a neighbouring county board chairman that Clare showed up for a Waterford crystal match with 21 backroom staff :eek: There's a definite case here of over-thinking the game, a big team of background staff and they and the management standing with their hands in their pockets with the game passing them by last sunday.


  • #1085
    Hidalgo
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    grimbergen wrote: »
    Think Paul Kinnerk, Limerick footballer, is the physical coach. I heard two years ago from a neighbouring county board chairman that Clare showed up for a Waterford crystal match with 21 backroom staff :eek: There's a definite case here of over-thinking the game, a big team of background staff and they and the management standing with their hands in their pockets with the game passing them by last sunday.

    I think the majority of backroom staff perform their various functions on non-match days.
    He did have quite a few involved in LIT also. After every training session players just left their gear and it was washed and folded for them in the dressing room before the next training session.

    Part of our problem with our gameplan is that at training matches, its 2 teams playing the same patterns and plans, short passing etc.
    The opposition in real matches won't do that.


  • #1086
    Thinkstoomuch
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    Hidalgo wrote: »
    I think the majority of backroom staff perform their various functions on non-match days.
    He did have quite a few involved in LIT also. After every training session players just left their gear and it was washed and folded for them in the dressing room before the next training session.

    Part of our problem with our gameplan is that at training matches, its 2 teams playing the same patterns and plans, short passing etc.
    The opposition in real matches won't do that.
    Clare man said he has 28 thats why i was curious of the roles.Id agree regard yere drills in training.


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  • #1087
    Thinkstoomuch
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    Hidalgo wrote: »
    One walked and one was dropped afaik

    Barrett and Mcllinerey wasnt it


  • #1088
    Steel Dog
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    Thinkstoomuch wrote: »
    The sparrow is with Newtonshandrum now but the two O Connors wont play under him.There is 6 o connors on the Junior team

    They had a good first round win against Ballymartle in the championship though.
    Whats the reason behind this Thinkstoomuch?


  • #1089
    sasol
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    Steel Dog wrote: »
    Whats the reason behind this Thinkstoomuch?

    I think it has more to do with who was overthrown as manager prior to sparrow coming onboard, rather than a problem with sparrow himself


  • #1090
    Thinkstoomuch
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    Steel Dog wrote: »
    Whats the reason behind this Thinkstoomuch?
    it hard to know whats the real reason to be honest.There so many different things said.Even the people down their dont seem to know either.
    Their father was the coach but Loughlin was brought in.They wont play under him.

    Newtown had no problem with Uls ger cunnigham a fine coach who was brought in from the outside and won the club all ireland with them.So its hard to know.Loughlin may not have had success with Clare but done well with Adare.


  • #1091
    Hidalgo
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    Thinkstoomuch wrote: »
    Barrett and Mcllinerey wasnt it

    Yep, both Newmarket men.
    The fact that Barrett was vice-captain doesn't make it great to see gone, he was the one that walked


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  • #1092
    Fireball07
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    Hidalgo wrote: »
    Yep, both Newmarket men.
    The fact that Barrett was vice-captain doesn't make it great to see gone, he was the one that walked

    Which McInerney?


  • #1093
    Hidalgo
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    Fireball07 wrote: »
    Which McInerney?

    James.

    One of three that was on the panel, the others being David, the ful back from Tulla and Cathal from Cratloe (surprised he didn't see some gametime Sunday)


  • #1094
    Fireball07
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    Hidalgo wrote: »
    James.

    One of three that was on the panel, the others being David, the ful back from Tulla and Cathal from Cratloe (surprised he didn't see some gametime Sunday)

    Yeah, I was wondering if it was Cathal, I was surprised not to see him involved. Looked superb at U-21 level. (Although in fairness Podge Collins couldn't have had a much better game, didn't think he had it in him tbh)


    James was always decent enough, but was exposed a few times at senior level. David looks to be very good.


  • #1095
    Sunny Disposition
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    There's some severe criticism today in the Champion, Peter O'Connell is very critical of the tactics and says Davy is learning nothing, as well as speculating about successors. Makes Daithi Regan's complaints look mild.


  • #1096
    Kristopherus
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    Well, O'Connell was never afraid to push the boat out.


  • #1097
    Hidalgo
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    Surprising that these type of editorial comments in the Champion never come from the sports editor, Seamus Hayes.
    Then again he's involved in fixtures and might have more dealing with the co. board so openly criticising the current manager may not be the best idea for him.


  • #1098
    blue note
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    I must admit I find some of the moaning about Davy to be funny. We gave out about Davy for years and the rest of the country seemed to tell us how lucky we were to have him and how he was overachieving with the players he had. Once he was appointed to Clare the tune changed!


  • #1099
    sasol
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    blue note wrote: »
    I must admit I find some of the moaning about Davy to be funny. We gave out about Davy for years and the rest of the country seemed to tell us how lucky we were to have him and how he was overachieving with the players he had. Once he was appointed to Clare the tune changed!

    I don't think I have ever heard anyone claim that Davy over achieved.


  • #1100
    Hidalgo
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    blue note wrote: »
    I must admit I find some of the moaning about Davy to be funny. We gave out about Davy for years and the rest of the country seemed to tell us how lucky we were to have him and how he was overachieving with the players he had. Once he was appointed to Clare the tune changed!

    In Clare we weren't moaning about him because we didn't have him.

    Ye're hardly moaning now are ye :D


  • #1101
    Thinkstoomuch
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    blue note wrote: »
    I must admit I find some of the moaning about Davy to be funny. We gave out about Davy for years and the rest of the country seemed to tell us how lucky we were to have him and how he was overachieving with the players he had. Once he was appointed to Clare the tune changed!

    I do think myself he has done well in hes short time with Clare.While he winning an all ireland with clare is certainly open for debate i do feel he can win a munster with these guys in time.It be panic and it would not be the right timing to sack him now.

    Been beaten by Cork was a huge blow but they can bounce back.They done it last year against Dublin.Id worry about he's overtraining of these guys now as they have extra games in the qualifers to contend with now.Against Limerick last year they looked shattered.

    He will need to lighten up now the games are in close proximity to each other.He won Clare promotion,got them to remain up and had their first munster win in 5 years.He has made progress.

    I read some where that he's record out of 17 games with 12 league and 5 championship is 11 wins in total which is not bad.

    Okay most of the wins were in Div 2 but he has Clare still doing better than what they were.
    In 12 of hes games in Charge Clare have always scored 20 points or more.

    He has certainly improved Clare and while 2 championship win out of 5 is not great ,is there any one else out there with proven track records who could in Clare and do any better with them.

    It is fine to get rid of him if you have a ready made replacement and their is better than him.He did win a munster title with Waterford.
    Id say he will be going nowhere but he should be judged at the end of hes term.Let him finish it out.If progress has not been made then, hes position should and rightly so be looked at.


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  • #1102
    Thinkstoomuch
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    Kristopherus wrote: »
    Well, O'Connell was never afraid to push the boat out.
    Whether he is right or wrong fair play to him for speaking he's views.You see very few journalists brave enough to be seen as unpopular within their own county.


  • #1103
    Clareman
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    If anyone thinks that Davy is going anywhere before Davy wants to go they are deluding themselves, not only has he surrounded himself with a complete posse of yes men but with his father in charge of Clare GAA, and if anyone thinks he's not in charge they are deluding themselves, it means that Davy has the job for as long as he wants it, watch the interview on the Sunday Game again and you'll notice that he's already planning for next year no matter the results from here on out.

    In regards to the Clare media, again, no one will have the guts to go up against the grain for too long, it turns into a closed shop very quickly if you go against it, that's not unique to Clare GAA though, same thing has happened to journalism in Irish Rugby down through the years.


  • #1104
    Thinkstoomuch
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    Clareman wrote: »
    If anyone thinks that Davy is going anywhere before Davy wants to go they are deluding themselves, not only has he surrounded himself with a complete posse of yes men but with his father in charge of Clare GAA, and if anyone thinks he's not in charge they are deluding themselves, it means that Davy has the job for as long as he wants it, watch the interview on the Sunday Game again and you'll notice that he's already planning for next year no matter the results from here on out.

    In regards to the Clare media, again, no one will have the guts to go up against the grain for too long, it turns into a closed shop very quickly if you go against it, that's not unique to Clare GAA though, same thing has happened to journalism in Irish Rugby down through the years.
    It happens in Cork GAA regarding journalism too.I feel your pain.


  • #1105
    Mountainlad
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    What did Regan actually say? Missed it myself.


  • #1106
    Steel Dog
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    Mountainlad wrote: »
    What did Regan actually say? Missed it myself.
    This is what he said before the match, not sure what he said after.



  • #1107
    Hidalgo
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    Thinkstoomuch wrote: »
    I do think myself he has done well in hes short time with Clare.While he winning an all ireland with clare is certainly open for debate i do feel he can win a munster with these guys in time.It be panic and it would not be the right timing to sack him now.

    Been beaten by Cork was a huge blow but they can bounce back.They done it last year against Dublin.Id worry about he's overtraining of these guys now as they have extra games in the qualifers to contend with now.Against Limerick last year they looked shattered.

    He will need to lighten up now the games are in close proximity to each other.He won Clare promotion,got them to remain up and had their first munster win in 5 years.He has made progress.

    I read some where that he's record out of 17 games with 12 league and 5 championship is 11 wins in total which is not bad.

    Okay most of the wins were in Div 2 but he has Clare still doing better than what they were.
    In 12 of hes games in Charge Clare have always scored 20 points or more.

    He has certainly improved Clare and while 2 championship win out of 5 is not great ,is there any one else out there with proven track records who could in Clare and do any better with them.

    It is fine to get rid of him if you have a ready made replacement and their is better than him.He did win a munster title with Waterford.
    Id say he will be going nowhere but he should be judged at the end of hes term.Let him finish it out.If progress has not been made then, hes position should and rightly so be looked at.

    Yes he has but then there are 2 major factors that need to be examined.
    1. Before Davy came in the whole thing was a shambles. Then our gameplan revolved around getting possession, head down and lump it high and hard down the field. This was of no use to our forwards, fine if its a team of ball winners like KK but in Clare we don't have that luxury. the only real benefit of Sparrow's tenure was he blooded a lot of the U21s from the 09 side. Davy came in and put structures in place, but he's gone to the other extreme, lads are almost being choked and suffocated. They've no freedom to hurl and use their heads. In the Waterford game, anytime we had a sideline cut, Davy was instructing Colin Ryan where to hit it, this isn't U8's

    2. If things didn't improve we may as well burn every hurley in the county, its not as if Davy is turning junior hurlers into inter county hurlers. His timing of getting the job was perfect, he has the best crop of young players the county has ever produced. He's been entrusted with the job of bringing these players to the next level.

    Maybe we're setting our ceiling too high, but we have to, chances of silverware in Clare don't come around too often, we have to make hay in the next few years or we'll be waiting a long time till the next sunny day.


  • #1108
    Evil_Clown
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    Clare get a home draw vs Laois in the football qualifiers.
    This surely will have to be a double header with the hurlers in Cusack park on the 6th.

    It makes too much sense so it probably won't happen :p


  • #1109
    Hidalgo
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    Evil_Clown wrote: »
    Clare get a home draw vs Laois in the football qualifiers.
    This surely will have to be a double header with the hurlers in Cusack park on the 6th.

    It makes too much sense so it probably won't happen :p

    It will be a double header alright. They were waiting to finalise a time for the hurling until the football draw was made in case the footballers got a home draw.

    Although Laois are away in both codes at least from a fans pov they've only to travel to one ground.
    Football to kick off around 3 or 3.30pm maybe?


  • #1110
    Thinkstoomuch
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    Hidalgo wrote: »
    It will be a double header alright. They were waiting to finalise a time for the hurling until the football draw was made in case the footballers got a home draw.

    Although Laois are away in both codes at least from a fans pov they've only to travel to one ground.
    Football to kick off around 3 or 3.30pm maybe?

    A grear draw for Clare.Ye have a huge chance of taking a scalp here Micko has always produced shocks wherever he went and Laois are certainly beatable away from home.Ennis is a tough place to go for any team.


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  • #1111
    Tssk
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    How much are tickets for the double header..Main gaa website redirects you to tickets.ie which has no option..Clare Gaa website doesnt have a mention of it even! Wait it just got put up there but no mention of prices! And when you click on "Top News Story" you get an U 21 club football draw from 3 weeks ago...
    Awful site to look at and navigate in general

    Ok I see now it says to contact clubs but still my point remains about how confusing it is


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