Dash cam saves your ass (no Roundabout stuff please :)

Dingatron · 24-06-2013 11:41AM

maceocc2 wrote: »

Caught this <INSERT RUDE NAME> last week, My biggest peeve with inconsiderate drivers, and before anyone mentions he wasn't collecting his disabled buddy/granny/whatever, just a bag of chips and a loaf of bread.

He was obviously visually impaired.

flazio · 24-06-2013 01:06PM

dickwod1 wrote: »

Ok first go with a free app

2nd cyclist goes straight through red lights way after they turn red for him.

2nd Cyclist, while strictly speaking there is a red light for his lane, if there is no cyclists coming from the the right I really can't see the problem with progressing forward in his cycle lane.

dedocdude · 24-06-2013 01:26PM

flazio wrote: »

2nd Cyclist, while strictly speaking there is a red light for his lane, if there is no cyclists coming from the the right I really can't see the problem with progressing forward in his cycle lane.

1st cyclist should have continued around the roundabout if he did indeed miss his turn off, not double back or hop onto the island.

2nd cyclist, if hes in a cycle lane then i guess hes irrelevant to the motorists turning right as they are separated in lanes but if another cyclists is turning right form the car's direction then its a potential problem, so he should have just stopped as indicated by the light he broke. He didnt even look right as far as i can see.

OP - how do you know they are professional cyclists?

Barrel · 24-06-2013 01:27PM

flazio wrote: »

2nd Cyclist, while strictly speaking there is a red light for his lane, if there is no cyclists coming from the the right I really can't see the problem with progressing forward in his cycle lane.

Apart from him going through a red light and the law saying you must stop/give way (so its illegal to go through a red light) - what if there was a forty foot truck turning right and the trailer unit was swinging out past the tractor unit and it was to take him out would that be a problem do you think?

dickwod1 · 24-06-2013 01:33PM

dedocdude wrote: »

1st cyclist should have continued around the roundabout if he did indeed miss his turn off, not double back or hop onto the island.

2nd cyclist, if hes in a cycle lane then i guess hes irrelevant to the motorists turning right as they are separated in lanes but if another cyclists is turning right form the car's direction then its a potential problem, so he should have just stopped as indicated by the light he broke. He didnt even look right as far as i can see.

OP - how do you know they are professional cyclists?

Well the two cyclists were wearing Tour de France type gear with helmets and both were on racers so I'd say they were professional/dedicated cyclists not just someone popping to the shop on their bike!

flazio · 24-06-2013 01:35PM

Truck should be able to take that turn (or indeed any turn) without imposing on the lane. Suppose the Traffic Light post or a sign or the side of a building was there instead of the lane? There's rules, and there's common sense. I agree the cyclist should yield to traffic coming onto his lane from the right but if there's nothing coming that will collide with him if they are obeying their lane discipline then full steam ahead.

Barrel · 24-06-2013 01:39PM

flazio wrote: »

Truck should be able to take that turn (or indeed any turn) without imposing on the lane. Suppose the Traffic Light post or a sign or the side of a building was there instead of the lane? There's rules, and there's common sense. I agree the cyclist should yield to traffic coming onto his lane from the right but if there's nothing coming that will collide with him if they are obeying their lane discipline then full steam ahead.

suppose nothing the cycle lane IS there and he went through the red lights without looking or even slowing down ... a trucks trailer allways swings out a little further than the tractor unit ... there is rules and the cyclist broke them ... now if the law was to change that would be a different matter but then i guess this second clip would not be up

Caliden · 24-06-2013 02:09PM

That video is a prime example of why motorists tend to tar cyclists with the same brush. Watching a cyclist go straight through is a red is infuriating to say the least.

Without turning this thread into yet another cyclist vs. driver debate, something needs to be done on a regular basis. One crackdown every year by the Gardai isn't enough to curb the bad habits some cyclists have. Reg plates for cyclists? At least that way they're report-able for traffic offences.

dickwod1 · 24-06-2013 02:11PM

TherapyBoy wrote: »

We don't know if the OP was prepared to stop or not because they didn't have to attempt an emergency stop. We don't know if the cyclist had pulled another dumb move would the OP have hit him. All we can say for sure is that the cyclist in this particular incident was inconsiderate of his own wellbeing & of other road users, and that there was no accident. Of the OP & the cyclist, who's the lucky one?

If you follow the white road line marking on the right of my bonnet before it/on the roundabout/after it you will see that I gave the cyclist a wide berth - Its hard to tell with the You tube stabilization but I did slow down too (if you look at the brown section of road where the cyclist is you will see it)
So I actually had my foot on the brake and was prepared to stop just incase he done anything even more stupid and also I gave him a little beep when I seen he wasnt going up onto the island to let him know my position on the road

dedocdude · 24-06-2013 02:13PM

dickwod1 wrote: »

Well the two cyclists were wearing Tour de France type gear with helmets and both were on racers so I'd say they were professional/dedicated cyclists not just someone popping to the shop on their bike!

well The Tour De France is on next week so at least they will be gone off your local roads for a few weeks - if cycling is indeed their profession, I doubt they will have a very long career with this type of riding.

RainyDay · 24-06-2013 02:18PM

Caliden wrote: »

Reg plates for cyclists? At least that way they're report-able for traffic offences.

So you reckon the reg-plate system for cars stops car drivers going through red lights, using their phones, turning without indicating etc?

Caliden · 24-06-2013 02:21PM

RainyDay wrote: »

So you reckon the reg-plate system for cars stops car drivers going through red lights, using their phones, turning without indicating etc?

Stops? No. Discourages? Yes.

I would only love to have the ability to report a cyclist breaking a red light

RainyDay · 24-06-2013 02:23PM

Caliden wrote: »

Stops? No. Discourages? Yes.

I would only love to have the ability to report a cyclist breaking a red light

Perhaps you drive on different roads to me. I see 1-3 drivers break the red light almost every time the lights change in Dublin. You can report to your heart's content, but nothing really happens. The system is broken, but you want to extend a broken system to another user group.

And if it did work, the most likely outcome would be less cyclists on the streets and more cars, so more traffic jams, and more delays. Be careful what you wish for.

Caliden · 24-06-2013 02:30PM

Maybe I'm misreading you but are you saying that one of the reasons there are cyclists on the road is because they can go through red lights? That's absurd.

I do think that if the Gardai sought the help of the public to curb careless/wreckless driving then it might make a difference. There just isn't enough Gardai to make an impact on their own.

Also I definitely do see cars go through just as many red lights as cyclists but not when the light has been red for 10-20 seconds.

RainyDay · 24-06-2013 02:35PM

Caliden wrote: »

Maybe I'm misreading you but are you saying that one of the reasons there are cyclists on the road is because they can go through red lights? That's absurd.

I do think that if the Gardai sought the help of the public to curb careless/wreckless driving then it might make a difference. There just isn't enough Gardai to make an impact on their own.

Also I definitely do see cars go through just as many red lights as cyclists but not when the light has been red for 10-20 seconds.

What I'm saying is that if you introduce a bureaucratic and costly registration system for cyclists with the objective of getting them to stop breaking red lights, when there is already legislation in place to prevent this, the most likely outcome is less cyclists and more cars.

It is currently illegal for cyclists to break red lights. If you want to stop them, then let's enforce existing laws on cyclists. Oh and let's enforce existing laws on drivers and pedestrians at the same time too.

24-06-2013 03:24PM

RainyDay wrote: »

What I'm saying is that if you introduce a bureaucratic and costly registration system for cyclists with the objective of getting them to stop breaking red lights, when there is already legislation in place to prevent this, the most likely outcome is less cyclists and more cars.

It is currently illegal for cyclists to break red lights. If you want to stop them, then let's enforce existing laws on cyclists. Oh and let's enforce existing laws on drivers and pedestrians at the same time too.

But for cyclists to be charged they must go to court.

On the spot fines needs to be introduced for cyclists.

gutteruu · 24-06-2013 03:32PM

Let the cyclists do what they want. Natural selection will sort out the bad ones. Its in their own interest to not do something stupid, so I wouldn't spend a lot of time trying to convince them otherwise.

RainyDay · 24-06-2013 04:35PM

Deleted User wrote: »

But for cyclists to be charged they must go to court.

On the spot fines needs to be introduced for cyclists.

What problem will this fix?

josip · 24-06-2013 05:06PM

RainyDay wrote: »

What problem will this fix?

The budget deficit.

Cyclists have loads of money by not having to pay tax on fuel and they get tax breaks on their bikes. It's about time they gave something back.

RainyDay · 24-06-2013 05:18PM

josip wrote: »

The budget deficit.

Cyclists have loads of money by not having to pay tax on fuel and they get tax breaks on their bikes. It's about time they gave something back.

They do give something back. They pay income tax and capital gains tax. They pay VAT on bike purchase, bike repairs and bike accessories. They reduce the costs of the health service from heart attacks, stroke, diabetes etc. They reduce the costs of transport by avoiding wear and tear on roads and leaving capacity on public transport.

Try again now.

josip · 24-06-2013 05:24PM

Sorry if it wasn't obvious that my post was tongue in cheek.
I'll try to put in some signage the next time to make it more obvious.

flazio · 24-06-2013 05:38PM

Got a great idea for cyclists in situation 2.
Stop at red light.
Dismount bike.
Walk on footpath running adjacent to the junction with bike alongside.
Once clear of the junction remount bike.
Cycle on.

24-06-2013 05:41PM

RainyDay wrote: »

What problem will this fix?

Means they could be stopped by Gardaí and given fines for breaking red lights. It's easier for a guard to issue a fine than go to court. If a cyclist knows they are liable for a fine, it may make them think before the break lights etc.

josip · 24-06-2013 05:42PM

flazio wrote: »

Got a great idea for cyclists in situation 2.
Stop at red light.
Dismount bike.
Walk on footpath running adjacent to the junction with bike alongside.
Once clear of the junction remount bike.
Cycle on.

Pain in the ass/feet walking with cleats tho

ScottStorm · 24-06-2013 05:55PM

maceocc2 wrote: »

Caught this <INSERT RUDE NAME> last week, My biggest peeve with inconsiderate drivers, and before anyone mentions he wasn't collecting his disabled buddy/granny/whatever, just a bag of chips and a loaf of bread.

He does walk a bit like he sh#t himself, so that could be classed as a disability?

HurtLocker · 24-06-2013 06:06PM

RainyDay wrote: »

So you reckon the reg-plate system for cars stops car drivers going through red lights, using their phones, turning without indicating etc?

Put simple if cars had no reg plates I'd be scared for everyone's safety. If they didnt have regs at light traffic times they are one of the reasons that stop people crashing lights. If cars had basically complete anonymity like cyclists have the alot of ROTR would go straight out the window for some drivers like cyclist currently do. I've never seen a car break lights at roundabout guess who I have witnessed? I don't think cyclist should have registrations but heavy on the spot fines for disregarding rules.

double GG · 24-06-2013 07:48PM

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=347075742087783

Anyone see this yet?

This isn't me, I simply seen it on Facebook and thought I'd post it up.

rameire · 24-06-2013 07:53PM

id like to see the whole two minutes before the Gardai pulled him.

double GG · 24-06-2013 07:55PM

rameire wrote: »

id like to see the whole two minutes before the Gardai pulled him.

That's exactly what I thought.

dickwod1 · 24-06-2013 08:01PM

double GG wrote: »

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=347075742087783

Anyone see this yet?

This isn't me, I simply seen it on Facebook and thought I'd post it up.

Garda -"Why didnt you stop for the lads on the corner?"
Driver -"They did not signal me to stop"

Was this just the follow up from a Garda trying to wave down a car? - if so this is pretty serious

They could have done some damage to the car and the occupants - I dont think youd see that maneuver on road wars for robbed cars!!!

Dash cam saves your ass (no Roundabout stuff please :)

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