Sex Assault on Special Needs Girl.

AnneElizabeth · 19-06-2013 01:00AM

Can't believe they haven't found him yet. I live on one of the streets mentioned, absolutely terrified..

Chucky the tree · 19-06-2013 01:24AM

Candie wrote: »

I know what you're saying, but there is something especially evil about preying on someone vulnerable.

It's human nature to be more repulsed by crimes against children, or small animals, the elderly, or the vulnerable like this poor girl. It goes against the protective instinct inherent in most decent people towards those less able than themselves.

Anyone who is more repulsed by a crime against a small animal compared to any human has serious mental issues.

Rasheed · 19-06-2013 04:48AM

Chucky the tree wrote: »

Anyone who is more repulsed by a crime against a small animal compared to any human has serious mental issues.

Then I have serious mental issues. I would be more repulsed by a gang doing harm to a defenceless animal, eg;

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/puppy-taylor-fights-on-after-having-throat-slashed-and-left-for-dead-in-portlaoise-28955378.html

Than a gang of knackers targeting another gang of knackers and doing harm. Infinitely more repulsed.

Galwayguy35 · 19-06-2013 04:54AM

Chucky the tree wrote: »

Anyone who is more repulsed by a crime against a small animal compared to any human has serious mental issues.

Depends.

Can't say I am bothered when members of gangland shoot each other.

AudreyHepburn · 19-06-2013 08:54AM

First of all, could people please stop using this horrible act to push agendas? The attacker race, religion, country of origin etc have zero to do with what he did.

I sincerely hope this sick individual gets whats coming to him. Of course every sexual assault is horrific but there is something truely sickening about target the most vulnerable people in society.

pabloh999 · 19-06-2013 11:58AM

Chucky the tree wrote: »

Anyone who is more repulsed by a crime against a small animal compared to any human has serious mental issues.

I think it's the defenseless part which repulses people

thebullkf · 19-06-2013 11:22PM

pabloh999 wrote: »

I think it's the defenseless part which repulses people

And yet we have seasoned posters making smug comments slagging disabled people and getting away with and another being banned for saying n*%ger .. Usual boards.ie double standards, it's not what's said sometimes but rather who says it.

Despicable crime. If a non irish citizen they should deported immediately and charged . If a citizen then a stiff sentence is required, though I doubt it!

Micky Dolenz · 20-06-2013 02:22AM

thebullkf wrote: »

And yet we have seasoned posters making smug comments slagging disabled people and getting away with and another being banned for saying n*%ger .. Usual boards.ie double standards, it's not what's said sometimes but rather who says it.

Despicable crime. If a non irish citizen they should deported immediately and charged . If a citizen then a stiff sentence is required, though I doubt it!

Can you pm me with examples of seasoned posters getting away with stuff please and anything else you find that crosses the line. Thanks.

BerryBlue · 20-06-2013 03:06AM

Nimrod 7 wrote: »

I hope he gets caught and gets locked up for the rest of his sick, sad life.

Absolutely cowardly and inhumane act to assault a helpless person.

AGREE AGREE AGREE

- But, does it matter who an assault / rape was done to? Is it worse if it was done to a special needs person or to an able bodied woman/man - I just can't see how its deemed worse based on who the victim is - its a monstrous crime whoever the victim.

Frito · 20-06-2013 04:01AM

BerryBlue wrote: »

AGREE AGREE AGREE

- But, does it matter who an assault / rape was done to? Is it worse if it was done to a special needs person or to an able bodied woman/man - I just can't see how its deemed worse based on who the victim is - its a monstrous crime whoever the victim.

Of course rape is a monstrous crime, but I suspect the allusion regards the psychological development of the person concerned. For example, an able-bodied man or woman will experience trauma, but they are in a better position to identify, articulate and seek help in resolving the trauma than someone who is disadvantaged by a learning disability.

The Black Oil · 20-06-2013 08:59AM

When I was a student one of my lecturers spoke about having conducted forensic interviews with people with an intellectual disability after they had been abused or assaulted. He was actually a bit more sound than some of the other lecturers and I'm wondering if this is because his experiences were more real world and that he was ultimately more compassionate. Anyway, I think with the right skills and experience someone like him can draw out what has happened. This might vary depending on what a person can articulate and they may not be able to speak in court, but at least they can disclose it and hopefully get support.

This is some of the research he's been involved in. http://www.childrensdatabase.ie/irish-child-health-database/document.asp?DocID=351

gallag · 20-06-2013 02:00PM

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

First of all, could people please stop using this horrible act to push agendas? The attacker race, religion, country of origin etc have zero to do with what he did.

I sincerely hope this sick individual gets whats coming to him. Of course every sexual assault is horrific but there is something truely sickening about target the most vulnerable people in society.

It could have everything to do with what he did, no point being blind to it, in the UK we are starting to notice a trend of gangs of muslim men grooming underage white girls , should we just ignore religion or race if it could lead to a better understanding of why this Is happening and how to stop it?

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 20-06-2013 02:49PM

gallag wrote: »

It could have everything to do with what he did, no point being blind to it, in the UK we are starting to notice a trend of gangs of muslim men grooming underage white girls , should we just ignore religion or race if it could lead to a better understanding of why this Is happening and how to stop it?

Considering no one knows the ethnic background of the guy yet, yes, researching a link between the offender and his religion would be pointless.

I'd argue that researching a link between the mentl state of the individual who committed the crime and the crime itself would be far more benefitial to society, but every time I do, I'm shouted down in favour of more blood-thirsty (and massively inefficint) solutions.

But if it turns out he's Muslim? Oh yes, then we must look into his background and make sure that we take logical and effective steps. And at this point the agenda has been changed to immigration and not sex-abuse. Which is annoying, because it devalues the ordeal of the current victim and does nothing to help the next victim.

Nodin · 20-06-2013 04:28PM

gallag wrote: »

It could have everything to do with what he did, no point being blind to it, in the UK we are starting to notice a trend of gangs of muslim men grooming underage white girls , should we just ignore religion or race if it could lead to a better understanding of why this Is happening and how to stop it?

....there also seems to be a link between groups music teachers, irish catholic priests and aged tv stars.....I await your interest in all 3.

gallag · 20-06-2013 04:42PM

Nodin wrote: »

....there also seems to be a link between groups music teachers, irish catholic priests and aged tv stars.....I await your interest in all 3.

Keep your head in the sand if you wish, muslim men are overly represented in sexual attacks on children making up 27% of the offenders while only making up 7% of the population. Are music teachers, priests and aged tv stars represented in these numbers or is that just you deflecting from the inconvenient truth as per usual?

Nodin · 20-06-2013 04:45PM

gallag wrote: »

Keep your head in the sand if you wish, muslim men are overly represented in sexual attacks on children making up 27% of the offenders while only making up 7% of the population.....

...a source, if you would?

Grand Moff Tarkin · 20-06-2013 05:19PM

gallag wrote: »

It could have everything to do with what he did, no point being blind to it, in the UK we are starting to notice a trend of gangs of muslim men grooming underage white girls , should we just ignore religion or race if it could lead to a better understanding of why this Is happening and how to stop it?

Spot on and what is more worrying is the fact it was ignored for years for fears of been seen as racist.

gallag · 20-06-2013 05:28PM

Nodin wrote: »

...a source, if you would?

2011 report by the Child Exploitation and Online Protection Centre.

http://www.google.co.uk/search?site=&source=hp&ei=0SjDUf2QG-f44QS25oD4CQ&q=muslim+grooming+gangs&oq=&gs_l=mobile-gws-hp.1.0.41l3.0.0.0.3105.1.0.0.1.1.0.0.0..0.0...0.0...1c..17.mobile-gws-hp.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derby_sex_gang

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/8606003/Quarter-of-child-sex-groomers-are-Asian-report-reveals.html

I thought it was common knowledge asian men are over represented in this particular crime?

wp_rathead · 20-06-2013 05:36PM

BerryBlue wrote: »

AGREE AGREE AGREE

- But, does it matter who an assault / rape was done to? Is it worse if it was done to a special needs person or to an able bodied woman/man - I just can't see how its deemed worse based on who the victim is - its a monstrous crime whoever the victim.

I totally understand your point that the crime is the same, but personally it is more empathy towards the victim. I mean obviously you would empathise with ALL victims, but if you put yourself in the shoes of a child or person with intellectual disability being unaware of what was happening, shuddering to think.. again, this is not undermining abuse to those who are aware- it is such a ****ed up subject..

tayto lover · 20-06-2013 05:44PM

Nodin wrote: »

....there also seems to be a link between groups music teachers, irish catholic priests and aged tv stars.....I await your interest in all 3.

You forgot the swimming coaches.

PizzamanIRL · 20-06-2013 05:51PM

This thread turns my stomach anytime I see the thread title while I'm scrolling down.

Nodin · 20-06-2013 06:20PM

gallag wrote: »

.................

I thought it was common knowledge asian men are over represented in this particular crime?

Really......

The report found that police, social services and charities were failing to properly investigate this issue[12] and that
a quarter of offenders reported for child grooming since 2008 were Asian, a
disproportionate figure compared to population figures.[13] But Peter
Davies, the head of CEOP, was quick to clarify that the findings did not provide a national picture because of incomplete data, and cautioned against extrapolating anything from the results. He added that "looking at this issue through the lens of ethnicity does not do the victims any favours

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derby_sex_gang

Nodin · 20-06-2013 06:20PM

tayto lover wrote: »

You forgot the swimming coaches.

....didn't everyone.

gallag · 20-06-2013 07:04PM

Nodin wrote: »

Really......

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derby_sex_gang

I knew you would do that, take one line out of all the data, ill get you the radio 2 interview where the same guy admits that asians are over represented in sex crimes on children.

Ulysses Gaze · 20-06-2013 07:06PM

gallag wrote: »

I knew you would do that, take one line out of all the data, ill get you the radio 2 interview where the same guy admits that asians are over represented in sex crimes on children.

In terms of grooming gangs? Possibly, yes. In terms of all types of sex assaults on kids? I would doubt it.

gallag · 20-06-2013 07:07PM

http://englishdefenceleague.org/edl-news-2/1920-radio-2-interview-following-the-latest-oxford-muslim-grooming-gang-convictions

I know you will complane about the site being from the EDL but it has the radio 2 interview.

gallag · 20-06-2013 07:09PM

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

In terms of grooming gangs? Possibly, yes. In terms of all types of sex assaults on kids? I would doubt it.

The Child Exploitation and Online Protection Centre published a report in 2011 and the data shows 27% of sex attacks on children are by asian men who only make up 7% of the population.

20-06-2013 07:09PM

I don't think you'll find many people willing to click on a link to the EDL.

Nodin · 20-06-2013 08:18PM

gallag wrote: »

http://englishdefenceleague.org/edl-news-2/1920-radio-2-interview-following-the-latest-oxford-muslim-grooming-gang-convictions

I know you will complane about the site being from the EDL but it has the radio 2 interview.

...in which presumably the disclaimer doesn't come up. Just because it doesn't get mentioned doesn't mean that it doesn't exist.

Nodin · 20-06-2013 08:21PM

gallag wrote: »

The Child Exploitation and Online Protection Centre published a report in 2011 and the data shows 27% of sex attacks on children are by asian men who only make up 7% of the population.

Peter
Davies, the head of CEOP, was quick to clarify that the
findings did not provide a national picture because of incomplete data, and
cautioned against extrapolating anything from the results.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derby_sex_gang

Sex Assault on Special Needs Girl.

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