Sex Assault on Special Needs Girl.

tayto lover

The person who is responsible for this attack is beneath contempt and if caught should get the longest possible sentence for this type of crime.
I hope the poor girl makes a good recovery but I am shocked that anyone could commit a crime of this nature.


http://www.rte.ie/news/2013/0614/456652-progress-in-inquiry-into-attack-on-woman-in-dublin/

woodoo

Very sickening, is he caught yet?

tayto lover

woodoo wrote: »

Very sickening, is he caught yet?

Not yet.
Apparently he had her in a house for nearly 2 hours. She must have been terrified.

Hownowcow

The poor thing.

I'm not shocked though. Nothing seems too low for the vermin wandering around masquerading as human.

Festy

There are some seriously ****ed up people in the world.

Hope they catch the bastard soon.

mike65

Not "shocked" per se just depressed. You can only wonder about the cowardly mentality of the attacker/s

tommyboy2222

tayto lover wrote: »

The person who is responsible for this attack is beneath contempt and if caught should get the longest possible sentence for this type of crime.
I hope the poor girl makes a good recovery but I am shocked that anyone could commit a crime of this nature.


http://www.rte.ie/news/2013/0614/456652-progress-in-inquiry-into-attack-on-woman-in-dublin/

Are you really shocked ?

I find it hard to be shocked by anything these days.

rob316

Cut his balls off with a rusty hacksaw, its the only ways these predators will learn.

Peregrine

I hope he gets caught and gets locked up for the rest of his sick, sad life.

Absolutely cowardly and inhumane act to assault a helpless person.

y0pperz

Too few details on the case to comment or pass judgement imo.

Vicar in a tutu

The poor thing, it actually turns my stomach to think someone would do this to anyone, let alone a very vulnerable young girl, really hope the pig that done this is caught and made pay.

Roger_007

y0pperz wrote: »

Too few details on the case to comment or pass judgement imo.

Agreed. It's amazing how quick people are to rush to judgement while knowing next to nothing about the incident. There was a case in Galway a few years ago where a girl was reported to have been raped on the street by two men. Everyone was screaming blue murder over it. It subsequently transpired that the incident never happened.

tayto lover

Roger_007 wrote: »

Agreed. It's amazing how quick people are to rush to judgement while knowing next to nothing about the incident. There was a case in Galway a few years ago where a girl was reported to have been raped on the street by two men. Everyone was screaming blue murder over it. It subsequently transpired that the incident never happened.

This incident happened.
The girl was examined by medical people and a team of garda investigators set up to investigate the case.
It was on the news too.

Grayson

tommyboy2222 wrote: »

Are you really shocked ?

I find it hard to be shocked by anything these days.

especially if you spend any amount of time on the internet.

woodoo

Gardai release a description of the attacker, dark skinned and dark hair.

dsmythy

woodoo wrote: »

Gardai release a description of the attacker, dark skinned and dark hair.

Well that narrows it down.......

camel jockey

No doubt he'll get a suspended sentence, at best.

camel jockey

dsmythy wrote: »

Well that narrows it down.......

I'm sure they would have supplied more info if they had it...

gungun

Does dark skinned mean black or arab or north african or what?

Patrick2010

I'm afraid the PC brigade would be offended if that was actually said by the guards

Ace Attorney

it makes you wonder wtf goes on in some peoples heads that they would sexually assault a special needs person, a person that is vulnerable in society and a person that may find everyday tasks to be daunting without having to interact with other able bodied persons. I wonder will it affect how she trusts people in the future. I hope they catch the scum and put him away for a long long time, an attack on an able bodied person is bad enough , but an attack on a special needs person a disgusting act altogether

hfallada

The courts generally throw the book at these people. But we will probably find out its john of gods the guy needs and not mountjoy

SuperGrover

Patrick2010 wrote: »

I'm afraid the PC brigade would be offended if that was actually said by the guards

Is there a version of Godwin's Law yet to cover the inevitable and stupid "PC Brigade" comment?

mitosis

What are the "special needs" of the victim? Given they make the crime more grave.

jaffacakesyum

dsmythy wrote: »

Well that narrows it down.......

I suppose it's just a coincidence that several women have come forward that day who were walking down the same street at around the same time, reporting a man trying the same thing on with them enough so that they needed to report him to Gardaí.

Look, I'm all for fair trials and not everybody who gets accused of any crime (not just rape) is guilty.

But it's a sad day when every single thread about rape on here comes with presumptions that the women is lying.

Some people just have their head in the sand with just how big a problem rape is in this country (and every other country presumably )

y0pperz

jaffacakesyum wrote: »

But it's a sad day when every single thread about rape on here comes with presumptions that the women is lying.

Nobody said she was lying. But when people have found the man guilty and sentenced him to, for example:

Cut his balls off with a rusty hacksaw, its the only ways these predators will learn.

Just hours after the incident, then what's the point in having due process and a judicial system at all? What if I were to accuse you, find you guilty and sentence you (without any investigation, evidence, interviews, mitigating circumstances, etc) for the crime of rape all within hours of the incident?

That doesn't sit right with me.

Czarcasm

jaffacakesyum wrote: »

I suppose it's just a coincidence that several women have come forward that day who were walking down the same street at around the same time, reporting a man trying the same thing on with them enough so that they needed to report him to Gardaí.

Look, I'm all for fair trials and not everybody who gets accused of any crime (not just rape) is guilty.

But it's a sad day when every single thread about rape on here comes with presumptions that the women is lying.

Some people just have their head in the sand with just how big a problem rape is in this country (and every other country presumably )

Jaffa I think that poster means it's just such a vague description that there's no way an attacker could be identified from "medium height, dark skin, dark hair".

jaffacakesyum

Czarcasm wrote: »

Jaffa I think that poster means it's just such a vague description that there's no way an attacker could be identified from "medium height, dark skin, dark hair".

Yeah I waqs quoting the end of the conversation, it was really this comment I should have quoted

y0pperz wrote: »

Too few details on the case to comment or pass judgement imo.

Although the poster has since come out to say he doesn't claim she's lying

y0pperz wrote: »

Nobody said she was lying.

And I absolutely agree about comments regarding chopping off balls. If it were a woman who committed a serious crime and we talked about chopping off her tits it would be barbaric but because it's a male, accused, rapist it's ok.

On the other hand:

y0pperz wrote: »

What if I were to accuse you, find you guilty and sentence you (without any investigation, evidence, interviews, mitigating circumstances, etc) for the crime of rape all within hours of the incident?

That doesn't sit right with me.

Nobody is sentencing this man. It's AH ffs, all it is is outrage at yet another rape of a woman and this time a special needs woman. It's a sick world.

If he's guilty of course.

tayto lover

Czarcasm wrote: »

Jaffa I think that poster means it's just such a vague description that there's no way an attacker could be identified from "medium height, dark skin, dark hair".

Sometimes I think the Garda are reluctant to give out full descriptions in cases like this as they fear someone recognising, or thinking they recognise, the culprit and might take action themselves.

I think they may know a lot more than they are saying and hopefully they do.

It is very important that this person is caught soon as he might attack again.
Shocked to think that there are people like this ready to attack the most vulnerable people in broad daylight.

Cody Pomeray

The worst crimes, imo, are those that cannot be explained at all.

You hear of petty burglars, or muggers, or even murderers and you think "ok, maybe they had a terrible upbringing/ maybe they lost their head in a moment of rage/ maybe they were provoked".

How can the act of taking a special needs person from his or her life, and apparently subjecting them to sexual violence be reconciled with anything.

I think that's why this case is having such a big impression on us. I hate tags like "evil", but you'd have to wonder are some people not just fundamentally bad people? I don't understand how any upbringing and background, no matter how bad, could be reconciled with this act.

eviltwin

Hurting a special needs person should be on a par with committing the act on a child. Its the same mentality, picking on someone vulnerable who doesn't have the mental ability to understand what is going on. It must be harder too to counsel someone with special needs after a rape and help them move on. Its awful, I really hope they catch the person responsible.

kowloon

Cody Pomeray wrote: »

I think that's why this case is having such a big impression on us. I hate tags like "evil", but you'd have to wonder are some people not just fundamentally bad people? I don't understand how any upbringing and background, no matter how bad, could be reconciled with this act.

I tend to side with the view that there's no real such thing as evil and that everyone has reasons for acting in any particular way, but sometimes you just wonder if it's worth bothering at all.

The description is too vague, I'm sure they could have pinned it down better than that.

KingOfFairview

I certainly wouldn't cry if he was killed resisting arrest.

darkdubh

When I heard about this my first instinct was its that convicted sex attacker that they're always on about in the Sunday World(I won't name him) but the description of the guy in this case seems to rule that out.

Awakened

It looks as if an Gardai have more information than they are releasing on this case
Gardaí searching for a man who raped a woman with special needs are focusing their efforts on the residential area in Dublin where she is believed to have been taken from the street into a property.Officers investigating the case, described as “horrific” by one source, are studying the sex offenders’ register to establish what offenders live in the area.
They believe the crime was most likely committed by somebody who has sexually attacked in the past and are hopeful that if he was caught, his period on the register will not have expired.
The victim, who is in her 20s and has Down syndrome, was out walking and jogging with her mother in the South Circular Road area of south Dublin when they were separated on Wednesday.

Distressed
The woman’s mother reached the family home first. The victim returned home about an hour later than expected in a very distressed state.
Gardaí were contacted and after speaking to the victim they became concerned she had been subjected to a sexual assault. She was taken for examination to the sexual assault unit at the Rotunda Hospital in Dublin’s north inner city.
Gardaí believe she was preyed on by a man who led her from the street to a nearby property and raped her.
An intensive round of house-to-house inquiries is under way and closed-circuit television is being studied.

Cody Pomeray

Yes I have friends on Victoria Street, just off South Circular, where houses have been getting house-house calls for the past three days, including today apparently. Hope he's caught soon.

woodoo

dsmythy wrote: »

Well that narrows it down.......

Well it rules out a hell of a lot of people. I understand it isn't PC to even mention skin colour. But every bit of info helps.

Rasheed

Cody Pomeray wrote: »

The worst crimes, imo, are those that cannot be explained at all.

You hear of petty burglars, or muggers, or even murderers and you think "ok, maybe they had a terrible upbringing/ maybe they lost their head in a moment of rage/ maybe they were provoked".

How can the act of taking a special needs person from his or her life, and apparently subjecting them to sexual violence be reconciled with anything.

I think that's why this case is having such a big impression on us. I hate tags like "evil", but you'd have to wonder are some people not just fundamentally bad people? I don't understand how any upbringing and background, no matter how bad, could be reconciled with this act.

I get what you're saying about the 'evil' tag Cody but lately I've come to think that there are no other reasons why some commit the acts they do.

When you cross off crimes commited by criminals with mental disorders, crimes of rage/ desperation/ revenge, what are you left with?

There have been a spate of attacks on people around here lately. Very similar in style with the victim describing a similar attacker that just beats up seemingly random people walking alone. Doesn't rob them now, just kick several colours of you know what out of them and leaves them there. Now if the man is caught and doesn't have any psychological problems, no drug or alcohol history, what would you say is his problem? I can't come up with anything other than badness.

somefeen

Rasheed wrote: »

I get what you're saying about the 'evil' tag Cody but lately I've come to think that there are no other reasons why some commit the acts they do.

When you cross off crimes commited by criminals with mental disorders, crimes of rage/ desperation/ revenge, what are you left with?

There have been a spate of attacks on people around here lately. Very similar in style with the victim describing a similar attacker that just beats up seemingly random people walking alone. Doesn't rob them now, just kick several colours of you know what out of them and leaves them there. Now if the man is caught and doesn't have any psychological problems, no drug or alcohol history, what would you say is his problem? I can't come up with anything other than badness.

What you have described is the behaviour of someone with a psychological problem though.

Czarcasm

somefeen wrote: »

What you have described is the behaviour of someone with a psychological problem though.

Is it? How would you be able to diagnose any sort of psychological disorder from such limited information? What Rasheed has described is the behaviour of someone who doesn't give a shìte for their victims.

It doesn't indicate they have any psychological or mental disorder.

Some people are far too quick to being armchair psychiatrists nowadays.

scopper

Given the area I think the guards are being a little coy and know that anyone from there will register that dark skinned means they are looking here for an Arab or Muslim guy. Though it may simply be the case that the victim literally could only come up with a vague description as can happen in such cases.

Rasheed

somefeen wrote: »

What you have described is the behaviour of someone with a psychological problem though.

How so? How do you know it's not someone doing it for the sheer kicks of it? Maybe that is someone with a problem or maybe he's just a out and out cnut.

wp_rathead

scopper wrote: »

Given the area I think the guards are being a little coy and know that anyone from there will register that dark skinned means they are looking here for an Arab or Muslim guy. Though it may simply be the case that the victim literally could only come up with a vague description as can happen in such cases.

Aye last thing we need is some vigilanties going on witchhunt EDL style..

Also slightly off topic and nothing really to do with the overall story but the headlines going around of "Special Needs Woman" are tad annoying, think iv only seen journal.ie that said "woman with special needs" which is much more person-centred. The victim shouldn't have to be defined by her disability, she is a woman first and foremost..

Anyhow, absolutely disgusting act to do to anyone, especially someone who is vulnerable..
..hope those responsible are caught

woodoo

scopper wrote: »

Given the area I think the guards are being a little coy and know that anyone from there will register that dark skinned means they are looking here for an Arab or Muslim guy. Though it may simply be the case that the victim literally could only come up with a vague description as can happen in such cases.

Hard to know it could be black skin too but they are afraid to use the word black.

Femme_Fatale

woodoo wrote: »

Well it rules out a hell of a lot of people.

It doesn't really. Dark skin and dark hair? That could be any nationality, including Irish - some Irish people are olive-skinned. It doesn't automatically mean black or Middle Eastern.
Maybe the guy is black or Middle Eastern though - is that what you're suggesting? Because yeh, maybe you're right. See, I've said it and I bet I won't be admonished. This thing of pretending you have to skirt around stuff because the "peeeeceeeee brigade" will oppress you, is pointless - seeing as you're saying it anyway, just in a roundabout way. Why not spit it out?

Could have been done by someone of any nationality though - bad eggs everywhere.

mfceiling

I was very saddened not to mention disgusted when i heard this.

My wife's best friend has a special needs sister who is nearly 40. I met her a couple of times and she is a very nice woman but very vunerable and very shy.

To think someone could do such a despicable act to someone who clearly needs to be minded well - it's unthinkable. I hope the bástard who did this dies roaring.

woodoo

Femme_Fatale wrote: »

It doesn't really. Dark skin and dark hair? That could be any nationality, including Irish - some Irish people are olive-skinned. It doesn't automatically mean black or Middle Eastern.
Maybe the guy is black or Middle Eastern though - is that what you're suggesting? Because yeh, maybe you're right. See, I've said it and I bet I won't be admonished. This thing of pretending you have to skirt around stuff because the "peeeeceeeee brigade" will oppress you, is pointless - seeing as you're saying it anyway, just in a roundabout way. Why not spit it out?

Could have been done by someone of any nationality though - bad eggs everywhere.

It rules me out and thousands like me as i have light skin and light hair.

I don't worry about the PC brigade at all. I'm happy to call a spade a spade. I didn't want to get into a 'to and fro' with some of the oversensitive types who like to get shirty if they reprieve something is unPC. I didn't want to start something like that on this particular thread.

AlekSmart

Czarcasm wrote: »

Is it? How would you be able to diagnose any sort of psychological disorder from such limited information? What Rasheed has described is the behaviour of someone who doesn't give a shìte for their victims.

It doesn't indicate they have any psychological or mental disorder.

Some people are far too quick to being armchair psychiatrists nowadays.

Yet,from the data quoted by David McWilliams it would appear that something odd is afoot ...

http://www.davidmcwilliams.ie/2013/04/04/the-mystery-of-disability

Meanwhile, the number of people leaving the labour force citing a psychological or emotional condition has risen even more dramatically – 88,000 people are now diagnosed with an emotional or psychological condition that is bad enough that they can’t work. This is a 27,000 rise from the same figure in 2006.

Czarcasm

AlekSmart wrote: »

Yet,from the data quoted by David McWilliams it would appear that something odd is afoot ...

http://www.davidmcwilliams.ie/2013/04/04/the-mystery-of-disability

Not being smart Alek but what's the above got to do with my post you quoted?

Cody Pomeray

Femme_Fatale wrote: »

It doesn't really. Dark skin and dark hair? That could be any nationality, including Irish - some Irish people are olive-skinned. It doesn't automatically mean black or Middle Eastern.
Maybe the guy is black or Middle Eastern though - is that what you're suggesting? Because yeh, maybe you're right. See, I've said it and I bet I won't be admonished. This thing of pretending you have to skirt around stuff because the "peeeeceeeee brigade" will oppress you, is pointless - seeing as you're saying it anyway, just in a roundabout way. Why not spit it out?

Could have been done by someone of any nationality though - bad eggs everywhere.

exactly. "I'm not allowed say dark skin" speel is one of those pre-emptive tactics to try and present bigotry as being the rational alternative.

The idea that there is a PC Brigade gone mad suits them down to the ground. They like the image of a PC Brigade come a-screechin' and cartwheeling into the thread with their bells and their whistles, and their rainbow flags, because that makes the undercover bigots the 'rational' ones.

They think of themselves as Regular Joes, just calling a spade a spade under some form of PC tyranny.

woodoo wrote: »

I don't worry about the PC brigade at all. I'm happy to call a spade a spade

scopper

woodoo wrote: »

Hard to know it could be black skin too but they are afraid to use the word black.

Dark skin pretty much says the same thing. Just slightly toned down to avoid the wrath of the PC heads.