Season 3 Episode 10: Have NOT read the books

calabi yau · 11-06-2013 07:13AM

Agree that last scene was well cheesy

pixelburp · 11-06-2013 07:48AM

NinjaTruncs wrote: »

They had to do it like that. If the audience had of known from the start of the series that it was the Bolton's who sacked Winterfell and were torturing Theon the Red Wedding and Bolton's betrayal would have been a lot less of a shock.

What I find interesting is that Tywin believes Bolton will act as Steward to Winterfell until Little Thyrion comes of age, if we learnt anything from Lord of the Rings it's that Stewards don't like to give up their power.

It didn't have to be a shock - not every reveal needs to be a surprising twist - it just didn't need to be dragged out into 10 episodes of (literal!) torture. And when it was revealed who was doing the deed, it felt like a case of "so what?". That Theon is being used as a blackmailing tool seems fairly humdrum in comparison with everything else happening. There's no good reason Theon couldn't have been presumed dead throughout season 3, then pop up near the end in the clutches of the Boltons. It would have allowed more time for the more interesting arcs and made Theon's journey seem less pointless & gratuitous.

Professional Griefer · 11-06-2013 08:24AM

Turtyturd wrote: »

Will have to rewatch this episode. Good to see Theon's captor finally confirmed although the actor who plays Bolton's Bastard is terrible, and like something from a sketch show, completely against the rest of the tone of the show. Also strange that Davos had so little belief in Melissandre's magic, yet was quick to believe in the happening's beyond the wall.

Thats because he believes in the old gods, doesn't he, or does he(I'm not sure)? As well, the letter came from the Nights Watch, they wouldn't lie over something as serious as this.

I need to rewatch it soon. Watched it live on Sunday and the stream cut out before Joffery was sent to bed without his supper.

Sleepy · 11-06-2013 09:34AM

Turtyturd wrote: »

Also strange that Davos had so little belief in Melissandre's magic, yet was quick to believe in the happening's beyond the wall.

I think you're misconstruing this. Davos has seen Melisssandre's blood magic, and is a man to believe his own eyes. He is, however, abhorred by it.

thiarfearr · 11-06-2013 09:35AM

NinjaTruncs wrote: »

They had to do it like that. If the audience had of known from the start of the series that it was the Bolton's who sacked Winterfell and were torturing Theon the Red Wedding and Bolton's betrayal would have been a lot less of a shock.

What I find interesting is that Tywin believes Bolton will act as Steward to Winterfell until Little Thyrion comes of age, if we learnt anything from Lord of the Rings it's that Stewards don't like to give up their power.

Theon was an enemy of Robb too, so it wouldn't have given anything away to reveal who was torturing him

Turtyturd wrote: »

Will have to rewatch this episode. Good to see Theon's captor finally confirmed although the actor who plays Bolton's Bastard is terrible, and like something from a sketch show, completely against the rest of the tone of the show. Also strange that Davos had so little belief in Melissandre's magic, yet was quick to believe in the happening's beyond the wall.

Its not that Davos doesn't believe in Melissandre's magic, he's seen what it can do, it's that he thinks its evil and wrong.

Kold · 11-06-2013 10:12AM

The White Walkers and Dragons are pretty much historical fact in this world. Magic is acknowledged but seemingly rare. The Lord of Light seems to be a newcomer to the country (perhaps the first case of it was with the mad king and the priest in the Brotherhood w/o banners. Mellisandra stands against the beliefs of anyone who follows the old or the new gods, hers is the 'one true god'. You can see why Davos would be somewhat apprehensive of a witch that turns up doing evil sh*t and manipulating your friend.

It seems odd that nobody has really mentioned how the first men defeated the white walkers and everyone acknowledges that the whole kingdom could come to ruin.

Question: When the old crone in season 1 was telling Bran of a bad winter, had she lived through it? Does Winter generally bring other bad stuff?

Kold · 11-06-2013 10:17AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvObuhT7Kpw

Ok I looked it up, I remembered it differently.

quad_red · 11-06-2013 10:33AM

Turtyturd wrote: »

against the rest of the tone of the show. Also strange that Davos had so little belief in Melissandre's magic, yet was quick to believe in the happening's beyond the wall.

According to a friend whose read the books, in the books the ravens from Castle Black warn of a Wildling invasion over the wall rather than the White Walkers.

Hence, a more tangible/believable problem for them to face.

CardBordWindow · 11-06-2013 11:31AM

First thing I thought when I saw all the slaves coming out from Yunkai was, how the hell is Dany gonna feed all them. Then I thought, what the hell is she feeding the 8000 Unsullied!!?

desertcircus · 11-06-2013 01:04PM

Keeping Theon Greyjoy alive seems like a terrible miscalculation. He has no chance of returning to his old life; he can't have sex or produce offspring; he can't win his father's approval or die at Robb Stark's side. All the desires he'll have left will be death, vengeance and redemption - and murdering the Boltons and himself along with them will satisfy all three.

D-FENS · 11-06-2013 02:18PM

pookiesboo wrote: »

Anyone else just feeling a teensy bit sorry for Theon? No. just me? il get my coat

His sister seems pretty sympathetic

But yes, I am too. That’s the great thing about this show, even though I know what he did at Winterfell, I don’t want to see any dude lose his tally-whacker

Same with the King-slayer, felt quite sorry for him after his lost his hand, despite knowing he likes incest and flinging kids off tall buildings.
The fact that he saved that Brienne from a gang rape and that bear was quite a mind f*ck and makes him the most intriguing character in the whole show for me.
His solemn return to King’s Landing was almost heart wrenching, yet he could be back to being an absolute pr*ck in S4 once he gets comfy with a good glass of wine and his hand on his sister’s arse (Left hand

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Plopsu · 11-06-2013 02:30PM

People really seem to be down on the last scene for some reason. Has anyone considered that the three major pretenders to the throne now parallel Varys' 'where does power lie' riddle. Stannis, as King Robert's rightful successor, represents the king in the riddle. The Lannisters, with their vast wealth, represent the rich man. And now, Danaerys, becoming a religious icon, represents the priest.
Moreover, if she was dangerous before when her followers just loved her, imagine how much more dangerous she'll be when they actually worship her.

KerranJast · 11-06-2013 02:45PM

D-FENS wrote: »

Same with the King-slayer, felt quite sorry for him after his lost his hand, despite knowing he likes incest and flinging kids off tall buildings.

I don't get the impression he likes incest a some form of sexual thrill. He truly seems to love Cersei and professes to always have. We haven't really been given an insight yet why the ended up going down that road. You would think Jamie as a handsome young Lannister heir (pre-Kingsguard) would have had plenty of skirt.

As for flinging kids off tall buildings, a major dick move but if he's anything he's a survivor and if there was a way out I get the impression he would have taken it.

tricky D · 11-06-2013 02:59PM

bennyineire wrote: »

At least we know Sam isn't a complete berk, he had more than 1 dragon glass pieces

They found around a dozen pieces (s2e08) but it is unclear how many each took.

There's also a reason in the books why he leaves the one behind which is omitted in the series. Without going into the detail, basically he couldn't take it.

Also bear in mind there's what the Lord Commander tells Sam in season 1, that he may be a coward, but certainly not stupid.

D-FENS · 11-06-2013 03:23PM

KerranJast wrote: »

I don't get the impression he likes incest a some form of sexual thrill. He truly seems to love Cersei and professes to always have. We haven't really been given an insight yet why the ended up going down that road.

You should have been Josef Frizel’s lawyer

Wasn’t implying though that he wants to get up on any old Lannister, all I meant was that fathering three children with your sister isn’t a classic hero trait

Artful_Badger · 11-06-2013 03:26PM

NinjaTruncs wrote: »

They had to do it like that. If the audience had of known from the start of the series that it was the Bolton's who sacked Winterfell and were torturing Theon the Red Wedding and Bolton's betrayal would have been a lot less of a shock.

What I find interesting is that Tywin believes Bolton will act as Steward to Winterfell until Little Thyrion comes of age, if we learnt anything from Lord of the Rings it's that Stewards don't like to give up their power.

Why would Bolton ever go against the Lannisters ? The only power he has comes his allegiance with them. He could never gather bannermen like Rob did and he would be crushed in a week if he didnt do as told.

Also worth noting that we knew Lord Bolton was with the Lannisters from the moment he let Jamie go, so it wasnt a surprise that he sold out Rob just a shock it was done when it was in the manner it was.

D-FENS · 11-06-2013 03:35PM

Artful_Badger wrote: »

Also worth noting that we knew Lord Bolton was with the Lannisters from the moment he let Jamie go, so it wasnt a surprise that he sold out Rob just a shock it was done when it was in the manner it was.

Not really, Catelyn Stark wanted Jaime returned to Kings Landing in the hope of an exchange for her daughters, so at the time it just looked like Bolton was following her instruction, no real confirmation that he wanted to impress the Lanisters

Artful_Badger · 11-06-2013 03:41PM

D-FENS wrote: »

Not really, Catelyn Stark wanted Jaime returned to Kings Landing in the hope of an exchange for her daughters, so at the time it just looked like Bolton was following her instruction, no real confirmation that he wanted to impress the Lanisters

There was, it was clear at the time Bolton was acting in his own interest with the Lannisters and it had nothing to do with Catelyn's orders to Brienne, the former being kept on watch by Rob for letting Jamie go and the latter gonna be killed for entertainment by the Boltons.

Gbear · 11-06-2013 05:05PM

Artful_Badger wrote: »

There was, it was clear at the time Bolton was acting in his own interest with the Lannisters and it had nothing to do with Catelyn's orders to Brienne, the former being kept on watch by Rob for letting Jamie go and the latter gonna be killed for entertainment by the Boltons.

That needn't have been the case.

He could merely have resigned himself to the North's eventual loss and fancied staying on Tywin's good side when that came to pass.

Less active plotting against Robb and more just hedging his bets.

With hindsight it does appear that he was in bed with the Lannisters but that wasn't certain at the time by any means.

Artful_Badger · 11-06-2013 05:45PM

Gbear wrote: »

That needn't have been the case.

He could merely have resigned himself to the North's eventual loss and fancied staying on Tywin's good side when that came to pass.

Less active plotting against Robb and more just hedging his bets.

With hindsight it does appear that he was in bed with the Lannisters but that wasn't certain at the time by any means.

Either way it showed that Bolton wasnt Robs man and he clearly wasnt going to go down fighting for Rob if he was resigned to the loss of the north and dealing with Tywin behind Robs back. Allowing Jamie to go to Kings Landing also robbed Rob of a huge bargaining tool in the war and for all anyone knew put the lives of Arya and Sansa at risk.

As big of a shock as the red wedding was the Boltons being a part of the deception wasnt a surprise in itself given they had sold out the Starks already by giving Jamie back to Tywin Lannister. I wasnt surprised anyway. Nor was I surprised to learn it was Boltons bastard who had Theon. Left me guessing for the series but ultimately it wasnt a surprise.

expectationlost · 11-06-2013 10:34PM

the whole house bolten, theon, torturer thing passed me by too, the the little stark boy told the sotry of the guy who harmed a guest, so that means by GOT rules that bolten snr or junior is going to die soon, presumably by the hands of theon sister, thats all i got out of that.

Artful_Badger · 11-06-2013 10:55PM

expectationlost wrote: »

the whole house bolten, theon, torturer thing passed me by too, the the little stark boy told the sotry of the guy who harmed a guest, so that means by GOT rules that bolten snr or junior is going to die soon, presumably by the hands of theon sister, thats all i got out of that.

I'd say that would apply more to Walder Frey who had so many killed in his hall during a wedding feast than the Boltons.

expectationlost · 11-06-2013 11:06PM

Artful_Badger wrote: »

I'd say that would apply more to Walder Frey who had so many killed in his hall during a wedding feast than the Boltons.

oh right they were his guests, but bolten goingto get it too

quad_red · 11-06-2013 11:44PM

Gbear wrote: »

That needn't have been the case.

He could merely have resigned himself to the North's eventual loss and fancied staying on Tywin's good side when that came to pass.

Less active plotting against Robb and more just hedging his bets.

With hindsight it does appear that he was in bed with the Lannisters but that wasn't certain at the time by any means.

But now it's clear that his bastard sacked and burned Winterfell to the ground before season 3 even began. The iron soldiers gave up theon as part of the deal. But instead of being given safe passage, the Bolton bastard massacred them (as he bragged in the dick 'n a box letter) and burned Winterfell.

Whether he did this on Bolton's orders or not, it's clear from that stage that their loyalty to Robb was suspect.

Turtyturd · 12-06-2013 12:23AM

quad_red wrote: »

But now it's clear that his bastard sacked and burned Winterfell to the ground before season 3 even began. The iron soldiers gave up theon as part of the deal. But instead of being given safe passage, the Bolton bastard massacred them (as he bragged in the dick 'n a box letter) and burned Winterfell.

Whether he did this on Bolton's orders or not, it's clear from that stage that their loyalty to Robb was suspect.

Did the letter say that?...I thought it refferred to the other Iron Islanders who were attacking the North.

Syferus · 12-06-2013 12:52AM

Theon is still chained up but at least there is finally movement in that storyline. We could have been at this point by episode three and the angle would have felt plenty long.

The Daenerys stuff is always a little weird. It's enjoyable and it's very easy to like her as a character but it feels little more than three seasons of prologue while we wait for her to get involved in events that actually impact the story. I think it's an interesting storyline in itself, building a kingdom from scratch, but when it's the b-storyline removed from the rest of the plot it places different requirements on it.

Things are going a little too swimmingly for her as well, I half expected her to get an arrow in the face in the final scene such was the pomposity of the staging and posing.

Syferus · 12-06-2013 01:15AM

Oh, and the Red Wedding should have been the final scene of the finale. That's how you go out for the year.

DL Saint · 12-06-2013 02:10AM

Loved the scene with Ser Davos talking to Stannis' daughter and trying to read the letters. Thought it was great the way they linked him learning how to read the word "night", with the next letter he read about the "nights watch". It was a little detail but I felt it was done very well.

quad_red · 12-06-2013 06:33AM

Turtyturd wrote: »

Did the letter say that?...I thought it refferred to the other Iron Islanders who were attacking the North.

Er, that's how I took it. But I could be wrong!

quad_red · 12-06-2013 06:40AM

Syferus wrote: »

The Daenerys stuff is always a little weird. It's enjoyable and it's very easy to like her as a character but it feels little more than three seasons of prologue while we wait for her to get involved in events that actually impact the story. I think it's an interesting storyline in itself, building a kingdom from scratch, but when it's the b-storyline removed from the rest of the plot it places different requirements on it.

But they don't help that sense of irrelevance to the main story by showing no reactions to her.

Like, a Targaryen with dragons has now sacked/ conquered two heavily armed cities, absorbed their armies/resources and now has a fleet of ships.

Reaction in Westeros.... None. Bar one scene with Tywin dismissing her dog sized dragons. Ffs, the only one worried is Jeoffrey!

Syferus wrote: »

Things are going a little too swimmingly for her as well, I half expected her to get an arrow in the face in the final scene such was the pomposity of the staging and posing.

Same here! Was holding my breath. Expected a little warlock/evil child to knife her or spmething!

Season 3 Episode 10: Have NOT read the books

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