Season 3 Episode 9: Have NOT read the books/BEWARE SPOILERS MOD NOTE POST #1

The Corinthian · 04-06-2013 03:56PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I think Bolton hadn't planned on finding Jamie Lannister, so I think the fact that he sends him straight back means that something was already going on there between the two.

Possibly, or possibly something that came of this gesture by Bolton. At the time, it certainly looked like Bolton had clearly lost faith in Rob and was at the very least hedging his bets. It's possible that his decision to betray him only came after lines of communications were opened as a result of his delivering Jamie.

--Kaiser-- wrote: »

I could be wrong, but I think Tywin was referring the last dragon (before the events of the story) who was the size of a cat and not near as big as the ones a few hundred years back.

Yes, but he was arguing that the new dragons were nothing different - he referred to it all as a "curiosity".

lynski · 04-06-2013 04:30PM

Am i right in thinking that now Bolton holds, directly or indirectly: Harrenhal, Riverrun, Twins, Torrhen Hall, Winterfell, Dreadfort?

That is some amount of land, quietly and ruthlessly captured.
MMMmmm. the moment i saw him at the wedding I knew things were going downhill.

K_user · 04-06-2013 04:45PM

Potentially yes.

Well the Eyrie arent going to get involved, but those at last heart might - especially if the younger Starks arrive at their door...

Burt Macklin · 04-06-2013 04:45PM

Seeing all the despair about last night's episode on twitter reminded me of this collegehumor video from last year: Game of Thrones wish-fulfillment. Pretty much GOT in an ideal world

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdA6lQ6ymhU

Rubber_Soul · 04-06-2013 05:13PM

Yakuza wrote: »

I'm pretty sure he was in the "Previously on Game of Thones" bit, so qualifies as an appearance

I think they showed his head at one point, so guess that qualifies as a bit part :pac:

wilkie2006 · 04-06-2013 05:46PM

ceegee wrote: »

Its a song about tywin wiping out a family that screwed the lannisters over. Was explained by Cersei at tyrion and sansas wedding

garv123 wrote: »

When you heard this song you should have known the shit was going to hit the fan.

Rosy Posy wrote: »

It's a great song by the National.

It's also known as the Lannister song, there's a scene in a bar in King's Landing before the Battle of Blackwater Bay, where Bronn sings it with a bunch of lads, AFAIR the dialogue is something to the effect of 'how do you know the Lannister song?' to which Bronn replies 'Drinking with Lannisters'. Cersei explains the meaning to Margery in the previous episode.

Ah, much obliged. Thank you!

jpm4 · 04-06-2013 06:01PM

I think some of the remarks aimed at people who have issues with character's being killed off in such as violent manner (or just the fact that they were killed off at all ) are perhaps a little harsh. This season the violence seems ramped up to where it seems to verge on pointless sadism or nihilism, and considering it is a popular show it's hardly surprising that some people watching from the first season may finally have had enough.

mayordenis · 04-06-2013 06:23PM

jpm4 wrote: »

I think some of the remarks aimed at people who have issues with character's being killed off in such as violent manner (or just the fact that they were killed off at all ) are perhaps a little harsh. This season the violence seems ramped up to where it seems to verge on pointless sadism or nihilism, and considering it is a popular show it's hardly surprising that some people watching from the first season may finally have had enough.

While I agree that some people are being arses about it, I don't think it's reasonable to say it's 'pointless sadism or nihilism'. The fact that people are appalled by it, is the point. The need to have this death be an absolutely horrendous and heinous act, honestly I feel ill when I think about it at any great length, but it simply doesn't work any other way.

I thought it was masterful.

jpm4 · 04-06-2013 06:36PM

mayordenis wrote: »

While I agree that some people are being arses about it, I don't think it's reasonable to say it's 'pointless sadism or nihilism'. The fact that people are appalled by it, is the point. The need to have this death be an absolutely horrendous and heinous act, honestly I feel ill when I think about it at any great length, but it simply doesn't work any other way.

I thought it was masterful.

Am not sure everyone is appalled by it really even from just reading this thread - surprised/astonished certainly but not appalled. The 'pointless sadism or nihilism' remark was more about the session as a whole really not just the wedding scene.

Brendan Filone · 04-06-2013 06:47PM

LadyMayBelle wrote: »

On the other story of the night, gutted for Ser Jorah , seeing model boy swoop in and having Khaleesi fancying him. Thought his expressions were great

googled eyes · 04-06-2013 06:59PM

Originally Posted by LadyMayBelle
On the other story of the night, gutted for Ser Jorah , seeing model boy swoop in and having Khaleesi fancying him. Thought his expressions were great

Poor Jorah

Loved this episode.

The look on the hounds face when Ayra threatened to stab him in the eye was great.

It was nice to see Bran growing into his potential.

I don't know why people are shocked at Jon doing a runner on Ygritte. He's been saying all along "you people", "you'll die "etc. He may have been with her but he was gonna leave as soon as he could. Plus he's just killed a load of free folk.

Burt Macklin · 04-06-2013 07:08PM

goz83 · 04-06-2013 07:16PM

NiallMH93 wrote: »

King of the north is a pile of rotting flesh now.

Precious flower · 04-06-2013 07:30PM

Is it bad when you feel more emotion when one direwolve is shot then when a load of main characters are slaughtered?:o I WANT A DIREWOLF!:(

Handsome Bob · 04-06-2013 07:41PM

For me, the violence doesn't bother me. What I find so jarring is that, as far as TV goes, a character's death in Martin's world is just that; death.

There's no glorious sacrifice.

There's no silver lining.

Let me use Joss Whedon as a comparison to Martin for a moment. Here's a guy who's developed another reputation for offing his heroes, but he almost always does it in a way that softens the blow. It nearly always meant something.

But the way Martin does it is often brutal, devastating, unjust and meaningless....... and it's ingenious really. The best compliment I can pay the man is that Robb, Catelyn and Talisa were no way near being my favourite characters on the show, but I've never felt more devastated and horrified by a fictional character's death.

It's a true reflection of life really (excluding, obviously, the gratuitousness :pac:), because often there is no sense behind death. There's no glory behind it, and often it comes before we do the things we want to.

Tyrion Lannister · 04-06-2013 07:55PM

Well I must say it was quite a different experience reading this compared to actually seeing it. Much more brutal and depressing on TV.

That being said though, Tyrion Lannister sends his regards

calabi yau · 04-06-2013 08:11PM

I had spoiled it for myself, and I am sick because I did. I looked up the Red Wedding stupidly.

So, I was going to say that I found it less of a jaw dropping moment than Neddy baby in season one, but because I spoiled it, it's now impossible to quantify. I still don't think it was as jaw dropping though

Agricola · 04-06-2013 08:47PM

Not usually one for caring about the fate of tv series characters but this was a shock. Mouth open moment! Have to say I agree with a lot of other posters in that I find Martin's complete indifference to long standing characters and audience favorites annoying. The deaths are just so brutal and tasteless with no sugar coating for the viewer. Ive been watching this since S1ep1 and its like one long, relentless nightmare for the "good" characters. Im just hoping that the man lets all these wrongs be righted in big style down the road.

DerekDGoldfish · 04-06-2013 08:53PM

I like shows or books that have complete indifference to their characters and are willing to kill them off if serves the plot without worrying if it upsets people.

Tony_Yeboah · 04-06-2013 09:10PM

Agricola wrote: »

Not usually one for caring about the fate of tv series characters but this was a shock. Mouth open moment! Have to say I agree with a lot of other posters in that I find Martin's complete indifference to long standing characters and audience favorites annoying. The deaths are just so brutal and tasteless with no sugar coating for the viewer. Ive been watching this since S1ep1 and its like one long, relentless nightmare for the "good" characters. Im just hoping that the man lets all these wrongs be righted in big style down the road.

Is the brutality, ruthlessness and death of the "good guys" not more in line with the real world view? This is war and in reality, the guy's who are willing to do what the guy's with honour/morals will not, invariably win.

I was shocked and angry when Rob and Cat died. I want revenge for Ned's death. I also wanted Arya to make it back to them so badly. To see that she was so so close was heartbreaking.

GhostInTheRuins · 04-06-2013 09:29PM

Did anyone else think that Jorah, grey worm and dario's fighting scene was terrible? It was so overly and badly choreographed that it just looked ridiculous. I hope it's a one off.

LionelNashe · 04-06-2013 09:48PM

GhostInTheRuins wrote: »

Did anyone else think that Jorah, grey worm and dario's fighting scene was terrible? It was so overly and badly choreographed that it just looked ridiculous. I hope it's a one off.

I thought Greyworm was being unneccessarily showy with that spear or quarterstaff or whatever it was. He finished every kill with a twirl and a flourish that would have made me want shoot him in the arse with a crossbow.

AlmightyCushion · 04-06-2013 09:49PM

GhostInTheRuins wrote: »

Did anyone else think that Jorah, grey worm and dario's fighting scene was terrible? It was so overly and badly choreographed that it just looked ridiculous. I hope it's a one off.

I was just wondering why one of them didn't close the feckin' door that all the soldiers were coming through.

TheUsual · 04-06-2013 10:39PM

Well looks like Ned Stark's ghost won't be lonely anymore.

Went from too many Stark's last episode to them being an endangered species after this one.
I wonder who is left to guard the walls too.

Burt Macklin · 04-06-2013 11:02PM

On a side note, has the series definitively answered who sacked waterfall last season? I know that it's probably explained in the books, but I can't remember the show telling us. My guess now would be that it was House Bolton/the Lord's bastard son, but I'm not sure.

Rosy Posy · 04-06-2013 11:08PM

kunst nugget wrote: »

All the 'God, I'm so done with this show!' reactions are really strange. I thought it was effing brilliant! It was spectacularly handled and it manipulated the viewer perfectly. The lack of music at the titles just kept the hairs on the back of your neck standing up for ages after the final scene.

I think that a lot of people who don't read and watch a lot of tv/movies literally can't handle a story where good people get fuqed over, that don't conform to the Hollywood formula with the silver lining in sight. IMO the character development and the unpredictability are what make this show (that and the fabulous costumes and hotties, of course!).

podgemonster · 04-06-2013 11:30PM

I hope this is probably best place but as seen in previous threads there are some fantastic artistic interpretations of events and the Red Wedding is no exception.

I want this painting!

ricero · 04-06-2013 11:48PM

Brendan Filone wrote: »

thats briliant.I dunno why but hes probaly my favorite character It must be that sensational accent of his

Hijpo · 04-06-2013 11:54PM

Where does this leave the manly female that took orders from cat? Were her dealings with the storyline done when jamie was released? Are they done now that the woman she swore to serve is gone?

K_user · 04-06-2013 11:58PM

GhostInTheRuins wrote: »

Did anyone else think that Jorah, grey worm and dario's fighting scene was terrible? It was so overly and badly choreographed that it just looked ridiculous. I hope it's a one off.

I disagree. I think the point is that they were professionals. Well trained. Skilled. While their opponents were average night guards at best.

It was a warm up for Jorah and co. A chance to show off. This was the first time they fought as one. A bit of flourish and grandstanding was to expected.

That sort of choreography would stop in a real fight.

Season 3 Episode 9: Have NOT read the books/BEWARE SPOILERS MOD NOTE POST #1

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