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the fella who · 17-05-2013 12:43PM

sting60 wrote: »

Knew about Parbold but did not back him due to the ground and poor price.Far far better horse on good to firm.Fahy didnt back it either so tells you something.He goes to Ascot with him and Eastern Impact.

I backed him anyway:):):)

tryfix · 24-05-2013 01:43PM

Starspangledbanner is going back to stud for a second attempt at a stallion career, with stem cell treatment to be used to cure his fertility problems. Raises some interesting issues, including what if horses with fertility problems will be passing on their faulty genes.

Rosemont owner Anthony Mithen said on the stud's website: "We will be trying some new fertility techniques that weren't available when Star last stood at stud. He is a little older and more mature and we take some real heart from the job that was done on Foreplay.

"Our bloodstock manager Dean Harvey oversaw the transformation of Foreplay from a sub-fertile stallion to a real commercial option, now batting at close to 80% fertility. Stem cell treatment really helped and from what we understand, Starspangledbanner and Foreplay's areas of concern are very similar.

http://www.racingpost.com/news/horse-racing/a-p-obrien-starspangledbanner-retired-for-second-attempt-at-stud/1277377/top/#newsArchiveTabs=last7DaysNews

Huntthe · 28-05-2013 10:26AM

I'd Say SSB fertility problems has more to do with the steroids the Aussies pump into their stock.

faoile@n · 28-05-2013 11:56AM

Huntthe wrote: »

I'd Say SSB fertility problems has more to do with the steroids the Aussies pump into their stock.

Surely Coolmore won't buy any more potential Australian stallions?

UrbanSea · 28-05-2013 03:45PM

faoile@n wrote: »

Surely Coolmore won't buy any more potential Australian stallions?

Sure Coolmore's Australian runners will be on the same steroids, recently bought Pierro and So You Think, i'd say they'll continue

faoile@n · 28-05-2013 03:56PM

UrbanSea wrote: »

Sure Coolmore's Australian runners will be on the same steroids, recently bought Pierro and So You Think, i'd say they'll continue

SSB fertility issues have only come to light after Coolmore stumped up millions for So You Think.

I'd imagine they'll be more careful in future when parting with bags full of cash.

UrbanSea · 28-05-2013 03:58PM

30 million for Pierro reportedly just a month or so ago

faoile@n · 28-05-2013 06:01PM

UrbanSea wrote: »

30 million for Pierro reportedly just a month or so ago

He was trained by Gai Waterhouse who Coolmore have a lot of horses with.

Presumably they would have had the inside line on that one.

Maybe I am overplaying it as all these potential stallions are insured against fertility so maybe they haven't lost that much on SSB.

Huntthe · 31-05-2013 07:39PM

Huntthe wrote: »

Good call, that's not counting the 3 in Japan. Starting to go well as a broodmare sire too.

now dam sire of an Oaks winner.

UrbanSea · 02-06-2013 01:44PM

Ryan Moore says of Ruler of the World that ''he thinks he will get further'', not a comment Coolmore would have wanted him to make

sting60 · 02-06-2013 02:46PM

UrbanSea wrote: »

Ryan Moore says of Ruler of the World that ''he thinks he will get further'', not a comment Coolmore would have wanted him to make

Well spotted Urban I was thinking the very same.

SRFC · 03-06-2013 05:11AM

UrbanSea wrote: »

Ryan Moore says of Ruler of the World that ''he thinks he will get further'', not a comment Coolmore would have wanted him to make

I thought it was more of a automatic comment he'd make after winning a middle distance race and a camera was shoved in his face,think it came out by mistake just another racing cliche.

jayroyal · 18-06-2013 06:20PM

jayroyal wrote: »

What a start for Dandy man , he might just turn out a Royal Ascot winner too . 50% strike rate with 7 winners ans Fahey has a few decent one's. Parbold is his best I hear and will really like better ground than yesterday. I'd love to have a yearling going to the sales in September by him.

Well he got his Royal Ascot winner on the Windsor castle and second in the Coventry. I backed Extortionist the lad day but forgot about him as I was so disappointed Fine n Dandy was pulled out last night.

Colonel Sanders · 30-06-2013 08:12PM

Havana Gold makes it 2 G1 winners for Teofilo this weekend

UrbanSea · 30-06-2013 11:36PM

Is that his third group 1 winner, still a little disappointed. Good week for the Duke, zero stakes winners with his first crop of two year olds but they have trained on really well, six stakes winners as three year olds

ArmaniJeanss · 02-07-2013 11:19AM

UrbanSea wrote: »

Is that his third group 1 winner, still a little disappointed. Good week for the Duke, zero stakes winners with his first crop of two year olds but they have trained on really well, six stakes winners as three year olds

Parish Hall (Dewhurst) and Loch Garman (Criterium) so 4 I think.
But still not fantastic.

Colonel Sanders · 02-07-2013 01:03PM

4 Group 1 winners from his first crop (albeit from a reasonably high fee) and people aren't impressed???

meriwether · 02-07-2013 01:40PM

UrbanSea wrote: »

Ryan Moore says of Ruler of the World that ''he thinks he will get further'', not a comment Coolmore would have wanted him to make

They should lay him out for the champion bumper at Cheltenham.

UrbanSea · 02-07-2013 01:53PM

Two crops colonel, two of them as two year olds who did nothing after, Havana Gold probably not really a gr.1 performer. Think you need to look at gr.1s logically. Dubawi has a load of group 1 winners but when most of them are Italian gr.1s in still not taken a back

Colonel Sanders · 02-07-2013 05:07PM

UrbanSea wrote: »

Two crops colonel, two of them as two year olds who did nothing after, Havana Gold probably not really a gr.1 performer. Think you need to look at gr.1s logically. Dubawi has a load of group 1 winners but when most of them are Italian gr.1s in still not taken a back

Were last years not his first lot? Sorry if not the case as I was discounting this years 2yos for the time being

UrbanSea · 02-07-2013 06:19PM

Oldest is four, Parish Hall won the Dewhurst in that crop

tryfix · 02-07-2013 11:46PM

UrbanSea wrote: »

Oldest is four, Parish Hall won the Dewhurst in that crop

Galileo sire of sires, that Jim Bolger sure knows how to pick them ( sometimes ). Not so sure that even New Approach will be able to keep his own momentum going.

It will be interesting to see whether the great Frankel can keep the run of successful Galileo sired Dewhurst winning stallions going.

UrbanSea · 02-07-2013 11:57PM

Not sure tryfix have been very impressed with New Approach and think he is the biggest threat to Galileo. I'm on my phone, what's Pivotal's fee this year, having a shocker off the top of my head.

Colonel Sanders · 03-07-2013 11:45AM

UrbanSea wrote: »

Not sure tryfix have been very impressed with New Approach and think he is the biggest threat to Galileo. I'm on my phone, what's Pivotal's fee this year, having a shocker off the top of my head.

Pivotal standing for 45k sterling. Her been as high as 85k IIRC

UrbanSea · 03-07-2013 01:14PM

Tanks Colonel, he gets some nice types but at that price you want a sire which can produce station's. Very few stallion sons of Pivotal are coming to me, Excellent Art, Mayson who else? Probably forgetting a dozen

Imhof Tank · 03-07-2013 01:59PM

UrbanSea wrote: »

Not sure tryfix have been very impressed with New Approach and think he is the biggest threat to Galileo. I'm on my phone, what's Pivotal's fee this year, having a shocker off the top of my head.

2012 average yearling sales price was £141,741. The current fee doesn't look too off in light of that.

Farhh is his flag bearer this year - that will feed into this year's Pivotal yearling sales returns

UrbanSea · 03-07-2013 02:08PM

Id still rate them on progeny performance on track as opposed to in the ring.

Colonel Sanders · 03-07-2013 04:54PM

UrbanSea wrote: »

Id still rate them on progeny performance on track as opposed to in the ring.

You'd be correct to IMO but the market & stallion owners will look at median returns.

Don't God Awful own a significant share in him too? If Sheikh Mo gets a hard on for your yearling you could hit the jackpot

UrbanSea · 03-07-2013 05:25PM

I know there are two ways of looking st it Colonel. If Sea the Stars were to never sire a group 1 winner but they sold for three times his fee then he would be a success commercially but would quite clearly be a disappointment.

Not sure but wouldn't be surprised if they did. They are blessed to have New Approach their refusal to use the Northern Dancer bloodline has cost them big big time

tryfix · 04-07-2013 01:30AM

UrbanSea wrote: »

Not sure tryfix have been very impressed with New Approach and think he is the biggest threat to Galileo. I'm on my phone, what's Pivotal's fee this year, having a shocker off the top of my head.

There have been a few false dawns of new non-Coolmore potential super stallions. The likes of Pivotal, Invincible Spirit, Shamardal, Cape Cross, even Dansili and Oasis Dream have been a bit stop start and almost challenging Galileo some years only to fall back again. Having a few really excellent crops and individuals every year, but not guaranteed to dominate their rivals.

Dubawi looks promising, but not exciting and would seem to be a good source of Gp 1 winners without having the wherewithal to take a sires title. New Approach seems to have been boosted by his stamina laden stocks ability to stay 12f at Epsom. Bar the truly excellent Dawn Approach, his stock look a bit short of superstar material and possibly consistency. Unless he gets the mares to kick on from his excellent start, then he will settle into a role of potential classic winning producer when stamina is to the fore, but he won't have the constant stream of Gp1 winning 2yo's and multiple classic winning horses that would see him challenge for the title every year. There's just too much competition for the good mares, with all the other really attractive stallions around at the moment.

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