Tips... Do u give them?

SV · 02-06-2013 08:50PM

Duggys Housemate wrote: »

Nope.

A busy bar is not the same as a cash register. The former is one-many and people can be 4+ deep. A register is one on one.

All excuses anyhow.

You're dealing with one person at a time though, how is it any different?
all excuses indeed.

Duggys Housemate · 02-06-2013 08:52PM

Miss Lockhart wrote: »

Don't be making excuses for your greed now.

Ok. Will tip in future in Cafes. ( although its not true that I don't - only with small orders)

Given the thanks ratio in this thread it appears Irish people don't tip. ?

Where are you people? I've never met non tippers. Are you forced in large groups to tip but don't in smaller groups?

blindside88 · 02-06-2013 08:55PM

I always tip when I go for dinner if the service is good, I very rarely tip delivery drivers as they've simply dropped the food at my door

Duggys Housemate · 02-06-2013 08:55PM

SV wrote: »

You're dealing with one person at a time though, how is it any different?
all excuses indeed.

Bull. A good bar man has to handle multiple customers at once.

This discussion is moot though because we don't tip them here.

Utterly baffled that people don't tip table service.

Miss Lockhart · 02-06-2013 09:08PM

I don't know anybody who tips as a matter of course in Ireland -and that includes non-Irish residents of dozens of nationalities.

I support minimum wage legislation and as far as I'm concerned all workers should be receiving this at a minimum. Contractors who agree to work for a lower rate have only themselves to blame and I have no intention of encouraging unscrupulous employers illegally paying below minimum wage by subsidising their profits.

I tip for exceptional service, not someone simply doing their job.

I would absolutely hate to see the introduction of the American system of having your restaurant experience marred by claustrophobic fawning fakery. Sure, some Irish service staff could do with brushing up on their customer service skills, but the American alternative is something I can live without thanks.

Gloomtastic! · 02-06-2013 09:10PM

The Barbers. If one of the staff cut my hair, then they get a tip. If the owner does, he gets nothing! Am I wrong?

Duggys Housemate · 02-06-2013 09:11PM

Miss Lockhart wrote: »

I don't know anybody who tips as a matter of course in Ireland -and that includes non-Irish residents of dozens of nationalities.

I support minimum wage legislation and as far as I'm concerned all workers should be receiving this at a minimum. Contractors who agree to work for a lower rate have only themselves to blame and I have no intention of encouraging unscrupulous employers illegally paying below minimum wage by subsidising their profits.

I tip for exceptional service, not someone simply doing their job.

I would absolutely hate to see the introduction of the American system of having your restaurant experience marred by claustrophobic fawning fakery. Sure, some Irish service staff could do with brushing up on their customer service skills, but the American alternative is something I can live without thanks.

That's so odd. Are you saying that if a late night restaurant bill comes to 92.52 that's exactly what you give? Not 100.

There must be parallel universes here.

Duggys Housemate · 02-06-2013 09:12PM

Gloomtastic! wrote: »

The Barbers. If one of the staff cut my hair, then they get a tip. If the owner does, he gets nothing! Am I wrong?

I tip barbers too. And taxi drivers who don't take the piss.

Miss Lockhart · 02-06-2013 09:15PM

Duggys Housemate wrote: »

That's so odd. Are you saying that if a late night restaurant bill comes to 92.52 that's exactly what you give? Not 100.

There must be parallel universes here.

That would depend entirely on the service. I could pay anything from 93 to120. I won't be blindly tipping for the sake of it though.

Duggys Housemate · 02-06-2013 09:17PM

Miss Lockhart wrote: »

That would depend entirely on the service. I could pay anything from 93 to120. I won't be blindly tipping for the sake of it though.

That's not the same as "not tipping"

You should pay in the US as the IRS takes tax based on a 15% tip for servers.

Miss Lockhart · 02-06-2013 09:21PM

Duggys Housemate wrote: »

That's not the same as "not tipping"

You should pay in the US as the IRS takes tax based on a 15% tip for servers.

I said I tip for exceptional service. I don't know where your confusion lies.

I also don't need patronising lessons on American tip culture, thanks. Just because I don't agree with adopting their system doesn't mean I don't respect their customs.

SparkySpitfire · 02-06-2013 09:41PM

Duggys Housemate wrote: »

There is when the bar is busy. It's knowing the order of customers , multitasking , handling change , dealing with nasty customers. Etc

That's ridiculous. I work in a sweet shop where customers are served sweets in a bag that i have to take down from the shelves and weigh etc. Everyday after school this TINY shop is invaded by school children and parents, so many people that they can barely move.

I have my regulars, I remember their orders. I have to deal with 10 kids shouting things at me at once, pricing things, keeping mums happy, crying children, brats, small thefts all by myself every day.

Do I expect a tip? No. Do I deserve one? No, I'm being paid to do this job that I freely accepted.

My point is, you can't use bars and restaurants as the rule. Why does it stop there? There are many jobs out there requiring similar skills and having similar obstacles to overcome. Working in a call-centre can be one of the most draining jobs of all. Why don't they get tipped for helping you with your problem?

julyjane · 02-06-2013 09:47PM

mikemac1 wrote: »

Restaurants are one of the few businesses that charge you more the more you spend.

Book in a party of eight or more and many places will hit you with a service charge.

You're giving them lots of money and management want even more

Like these gougers wanting 10%
http://www.luigimalones.com/menus/earlybird.pdf

Any other business and you'd be getting a discount!

It's not the serving staffs fault but it's hard to pay them a tip when your party is spending hundreds & hundreds and then you pay 10% more then everyone else

That's another thing I hate, and in some places it's parties of 6 or more. A big group of people are more likely to tip because if 6 people go for a meal and the average price is €26/27 they'll probably just put in €30 each rather than getting the calculators out

April O Neill · 02-06-2013 09:48PM

SV wrote: »

Would you tip someone in a shop if it was busy for getting you a pack of cigarettes from behind?

Exactly, when I worked in a shop, I knew what ciggies all the regulars would want, even the more convoluted and unusual orders. I didn't expect a tip for it!

April O Neill · 02-06-2013 09:51PM

Duggys Housemate wrote: »

Nope.

A busy bar is not the same as a cash register. The former is one-many and people can be 4+ deep. A register is one on one.

All excuses anyhow.

Have you seen cafes at lunchtime? Orders for different kinds of coffee have to be kept track of, in addition to tea, some food prep AND table clearing. At quieter customers times, there's plenty more to be done. You'll be as wrecked at the end of a coffee shop shift as in a bar.

Mr_Spaceman · 02-06-2013 09:53PM

April O Neill wrote: »

Have you seen cafes at lunchtime? Orders for different kinds of coffee have to be kept track of, in addition to tea, some food prep AND table clearing. At quieter customers times, there's plenty more to be done. You'll be as wrecked at the end of a coffee shop shift as in a bar.

Too right.

On your feet all day, serving a multitude of different kinds of vanilla bulls*it coffee to pretentious knobheads with more money than sense.

You'd be lucky to get an extra shilling for your trouble.

steirishrover · 02-06-2013 10:34PM

Duggys Housemate wrote: »

Ok. Will tip in future in Cafes. ( although its not true that I don't - only with small orders)

Given the thanks ratio in this thread it appears Irish people don't tip. ?

Where are you people? I've never met non tippers. Are you forced in large groups to tip but don't in smaller groups?

Too right they must be in some sort of bubble... I'm not made of money by any stretch of imagination but whenever I'm out or order food I will tip... But as I said its just a matter of opinion

--LOS-- · 03-06-2013 12:33AM

hmm no not very often, and usually only in a keep the change type of scenario, I'm not gona sit patiently at a restaurant for them to return 2/3 euros to me. I think more places should have a policy whereby they don't accept tips, it would alleviate the bad feeling on both sides.

B.A._Baracus · 03-06-2013 01:07AM

I used to think that tipping was the polite and nice to thing do ... But to hell with that.

Look at the average take-away charge for example. Most range between €1.50 to €1.90. That's the fee I pay for someone to deliever my food. I gladly pay that, but what, I'm meant to throw an extra euro or two on top of that?

... fuck no.

After all, it's not custom to tip the cashier in McDonalds.

03-06-2013 01:34AM

Duggys Housemate wrote: »

There is when the bar is busy. It's knowing the order of customers , multitasking , handling change , dealing with nasty customers. Etc

Eh that would be his job???no way would i tip for someone doing their job. Insane

shruikan2553 · 03-06-2013 01:54AM

Duggys Housemate wrote: »

There is when the bar is busy. It's knowing the order of customers , multitasking , handling change , dealing with nasty customers. Etc

I'll be expected to know to recognise electrical components, know what they do and how to get them to do it while knowing all the equations to work out numbers needed for them and explain to people what the hell all this magical electricity is doing. Maybe I should expect a tip too

FTA69 · 03-06-2013 09:49AM

Duggys Housemate wrote: »

I said tips were a form of profit sharing. Here's why.

Compare. It's pub A in London.

It's a busy night in London, there are 500 people and 1,450 orders over the 6 hours of a shift.

It's a quiet morning in the same pub. 10 people come in ordering 15 drinks mostly coffee

The profits in the first case are greater and tips distribute the profits to the actual workers in their actual shift becsusrse each order generates a tip.

You can still have minimum wage. Tipping pays people for being good and busy.

That doesn't make any sense. "Profit" is a specific term, it denotes the surplus the boss will be left with after he deducts his expendidture from his income; it isn't a catch-all to describe more money generated in tips. Tips are completely unrelated to profit, as it isn't the boss paying them but the customer.

The only way profit can be truly "shared" is via a wage increase.

Son Of A Vidic · 03-06-2013 11:03AM

steirishrover wrote: »

Tips... Do u give them?

Of course I do and here's my tip of the day - don't tip anyone unless they deserve it. It's not an entitlement, it's an acknowledgement.

bigslick · 03-06-2013 04:45PM

For me this is simple. Its expectation versus justification. Do I tip, usually yes. Do I feel the need to tip? No. Has someone gone out of their way to make that individual experience for me perfect or better? If so, then I have no problem in tipping. Have they treated me as a number and done nothing? Then no of course they dont.

This idea that, "hey if you dont tip me, I cant feed my kids" is ridiculous. You cant state that your wages are low due to low tippers. Your wages are low due to your boss/company. You should not allow them to give you low wages based on the fact that the public will give the remaining percentage.

I work in a job where i am consistently going out of my way to help people in complex and time consuming ways. Do i expect a monetary reward? No. A simple heart felt thanks is fine. I get paid to do my job which involves this.

And those who say we are 'greedy', im not sure how you are passing judgement on us for such a small life decision that we may or may not make. And that the notion that 'irish have been doing it for years' so we should all do it, is crazy. The Catholic church has been around for years, should we all be Christian? Attitudes develop and change. We dont all have to follow the same ideal.

If people want to be tipped better, take a look at your job and in particular your skills. How can you improve your customer experience. As an example for OP, learn the delivery area off by absolute heart, which will allow you to get to and from jobs as fast as possible (I acknowledge OP may already do this). I am always 100% up to date with every aspect of my job and have teams relying on that. Dont see how it should be any different.

Hownowcow · 03-06-2013 05:38PM

I said earlier in this thread that I generally do tip; the amount of the tip dependent on the quality of the service.

Reading through the thread I have realised that tipping can be quite divisive. It never occurred to me that this would be the case. I always considered tipping to be voluntary, if you wanted to tip you did so if you did not you did not. I don’t tip if there is a service charge included in the bill.

I don’t tip huge amounts. The most common tip my friends and I leave is the change from €2 for a cup of coffee or tea in our local coffee shop. It has a nice atmosphere and the staff are sound. We occasionally get free coffees and they’ll let us pay another time if we’re short of cash.

I started tipping when I started working. Some of my friends had jobs where the tips, even small ones, made a serious difference to them. I never forgot this.

I don’t like tipping by adding the tip to credit card bill. I always feel that the staff might not get it. Several years ago I said this to the person serving in a restaurant who handed me the credit card slip (it was prior to current electronic gadgetry) with the word “Gratuity” handwritten on it. She replied: “We don’t”. She got a larger tip than I initially intended, in cash. Months later I realised that the bill for that meal never showed up on my credit card statement.

As regards the U.S., I was told by an American friend that if the Irish don’t tip, the attitude among serving staff in the place where she lives is that they are Irish and don’t understand the system. The serving staff would prefer if they did tip but just see them as naïve tourists and no real problem.She did however tell me that if the service is bad, the way to get that point across is to leave a $1 tip, when the tip based on percentage should be a lot higher. It is seen as an insult to the service.

TL/DR: I have absolutely no problem whether people do or don’t tip. It is discretionary and should remain so.

Tips... Do u give them?

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