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Tips... Do u give them?

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  • #92
    steirishrover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 887 ✭✭✭steirishrover


    pawspaws wrote: »
    I pay for the food and I pay a delivery charge , why would I need to tip?

    As said in the thread numerous times their is no delivery charge..

    I don't ask for tips neither does any driver I wouldn't stoop so low to even expect tips off anyone, I was just asking what is the general concensus about tipping,

    I couldn't care less if people tipped or not, it's a matter of opinion


  • #93
    steirishrover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 887 ✭✭✭steirishrover


    mikemac1 wrote: »
    How about you ask the boss for minimum wage instead of guilt tripping your customers for tips?

    What are you on about? How would anyone be able to guilt trip a customer?

    I asked people do you tip? I gave a short story of what I do and asked for opinion so stop with your guilt trip talk


  • #94
    mikemac1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,395 ✭✭✭✭mikemac1


    Maybe not you OP

    But fumbling in the dark and taking aaaaaaaaages to get change in the hope they are told to keep it has already been mentioned on the thread ;)


  • #95
    imitation
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,815 ✭✭✭imitation


    I hate this idea that we should all of a sudden start following the American model of tipping and I hate tipping for every meal no for no real reason here. The american system is actually only to the benefit of the customer, the staff are on crappy wages and live on the tips. If everybody starts tipping as a matter of course then it will become more prevalent here. I also find it silly as in most cases when I go someplace its like 3 interactions with the waiter anyway "steak please", "yes its fine", "can i get the check please". How's he anything better than any waiter ever ?

    Why can't we just keep it so staff get a sensible steady wage and keep tips as a gesture for when somebody went the extra mile. We also won't have the situation where you walk into a restaurant and have to calculate the actual cost of a meal with tips.









    upandcumming wrote: »
    I was in the Counter in Dundrum a couple of months ago. Bill came to €32. I put two twenties into the book. At this time I was considering leaving the three quid.
    The waitress while walking away asked me if I wanted change. €8 she wanted. A quarter of the bill.
    Bitch.

    I have seen this happen a few times and I think it is literally the most ignorant thing ever, especially when the meal is like 35 euros and you give a fifty and put this passive aggressive pressure on you to give a big tip. Its little more than a form of begging. I'd also wager its a crap technique, maybe 2 out of 10 will give you the money, but if you came back with the change and left a few 2 euro coins you might get a tip every time.


  • #96
    Mr_Spaceman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,958 ✭✭✭Mr_Spaceman


    Felipe Wailing Steak wrote: »
    Tipping at a bar I think personally is insane. So I order a bottle of beer, bar man hands it to me, so aside from the actual price of the beer I'm to give him money for handing it to me. F that to be honest. He gets a wage. I'm paying for the beer not his wages.

    Now if it was table service or something like that then I would tip but at the bar itself no way

    Absolutely correct.

    Tipping at the bar when you're just having 1-2 beers really boils my piss. But I grit my teeth and do it anyway as it's the norm over there, regardless.

    I enjoy the service you receive in the US/Canada but all this "Hi, I'm xxxxx your new best friend and beer server for the next ten seconds" pish is a step too far.

    It wouldn't be so bad if drinking in bars was cheap(ish) but it isn't.


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  • #97
    Capt'n Midnight
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 95,466 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    666irishguy wrote: »
    Well this is Ireland so standard Irish beliefs will be the norm and long may they continue in my opinion. To pay 15 to 20 percent on top of what you have already paid is ludicrous.
    It's simple. Eating out in Ireland is way more expensive than abroad even if you add a 20% tip, or probably even a 100% tip.

    If the Irish hospitality sector dropped prices to anything remotely close to foreign prices ...


  • #98
    Ham Wallet
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 30 ✭Ham Wallet


    As stated before, no why should I.


  • #99
    666irishguy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 469 ✭✭666irishguy


    Capt'n Midnight wrote: »
    It's simple. Eating out in Ireland is way more expensive than abroad even if you add a 20% tip, or probably even a 100% tip.

    If the Irish hospitality sector dropped prices to anything remotely close to foreign prices ...

    Justifying tipping by the idea that you are getting the food so cheap it doesn't matter coughing up another 20 percent is baffling to me and there is no way that any decent restaurant in North America or Europe is anything near as cheap as justifying happily and obliviously coughing up a 20% or more tip and still feel like you got a great deal. If some place in Ireland opened up and was especially good value for amazing food, it could easily afford to pay a decent wage by virtue of the volume of trade it would have, therefore negating tipping's primary purpose.

    Like I stated before, tipping is just a reward for a bit of acting. Basically paying extra for common manners and doing your job, a job that if you do it right should guarantee return custom and money in the future anyway. I'm surprised nobody here has pointed out another aspect of tipping. Isn't it usually into the Jar and divided out into the hand with no real emphasis to declare it because it's only tips after all. Isn't that tax evasion in any other profession that wasn't lucky enough to get cultural acceptance as a tipping job?


  • #100
    FTA69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,252 ✭✭✭FTA69


    What I dislike about tipping as a standard is that it becomes an excuse to pay poor wages. Tips aren't a "transference of profits" as someone said earlier, they're often a method to avoid transferring profit to low-paid staff by getting the customer to shell out instead. Having recently spent a miserable year of my life working for minimum wage in London I always tip, for the simple fact that the couple of pound I got every week behind the bar made a huge difference to me.

    As for tipping bar staff; bar work isn't simply pouring liquid in a glass. A good barman will remember a round, serve quickly, serve properly and serve in turn. They'll also be knowledgeable about wines, whiskeys, ales etc and will offer advice. Someone not doing this behind the ramp will make everyone's night a pain in the arse. Unfortunately barstaff in London are sh*t. If I've been serving a group of six odd people and managed to remember their round without having to be told ("eh, what was Paddy drinking again Mary?") as well as being quick about it, then it's a nice gesture to offer a couple of pound. I never expected a set percentage or anything but if you find a good barman who looks after you and your group it's courtesy to tell him take one for himself once during the night.


  • #101
    FTA69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,252 ✭✭✭FTA69


    666irishguy wrote: »
    Isn't that tax evasion in any other profession that wasn't lucky enough to get cultural acceptance as a tipping job?

    Considering many who work minimum wage jobs in the service industry live below the poverty line and work sh*t hours I wouldn't consider it a pressing priority that they get taxed on the coins people leave behind.


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  • #102
    April O Neill
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,305 ✭✭✭April O Neill


    steirishrover wrote: »
    I couldn't care less if people tipped or not, it's a matter of opinion
    steirishrover wrote: »
    I asked people do you tip? I gave a short story of what I do and asked for opinion so stop with your guilt trip talk

    You said this:
    steirishrover wrote: »
    I work as a delivery driver for a take away restauraunt and I'm amazed at the amount of people that don't tip.


    This is more than just asking for people's opinions.


  • #103
    Duggys Housemate
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,298 ✭✭✭Duggys Housemate


    The amout of "I'm all right jack" posturing on this thread is amusing.

    Once again - it's always been tradition here to tip table service. I've never been at a party which didn't. If you don't its your own greed. Stop making excuses.


  • #104
    Duggys Housemate
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,298 ✭✭✭Duggys Housemate


    April O Neill wrote: »
    You said this:




    This is more than just asking for people's opinions.

    Yeah he's accusing non tippers of being greedy. He's right.


  • #105
    April O Neill
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,305 ✭✭✭April O Neill


    Duggys Housemate wrote: »
    The amout of "I'm all right jack" posturing on this thread is amusing.

    Once again - it's always been tradition here to tip table service. I've never been at a party which didn't. If you don't its your own greed. Stop making excuses.

    Actually, it hasn't always been the tradition. It's a fairly recent thing in Ireland.

    And it's not greedy to decide how to spend your own hard-earned cash.

    "I'm all right, Jack" posturing? Sense of entitlement posturing on the other side, more like.


  • #106
    Duggys Housemate
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,298 ✭✭✭Duggys Housemate


    FTA69 wrote: »
    What I dislike about tipping as a standard is that it becomes an excuse to pay poor wages. Tips aren't a "transference of profits" as someone said earlier, they're often a method to avoid transferring profit to low-paid staff by getting the customer to shell out instead. Having recently spent a miserable year of my life working for minimum wage in London I always tip, for the simple fact that the couple of pound I got every week behind the bar made a huge difference to me.

    As for tipping bar staff; bar work isn't simply pouring liquid in a glass. A good barman will remember a round, serve quickly, serve properly and serve in turn. They'll also be knowledgeable about wines, whiskeys, ales etc and will offer advice. Someone not doing this behind the ramp will make everyone's night a pain in the arse. Unfortunately barstaff in London are sh*t. If I've been serving a group of six odd people and managed to remember their round without having to be told ("eh, what was Paddy drinking again Mary?") as well as being quick about it, then it's a nice gesture to offer a couple of pound. I never expected a set percentage or anything but if you find a good barman who looks after you and your group it's courtesy to tell him take one for himself once during the night.

    I said tips were a form of profit sharing. Here's why.

    Compare. It's pub A in London.

    It's a busy night in London, there are 500 people and 1,450 orders over the 6 hours of a shift.

    It's a quiet morning in the same pub. 10 people come in ordering 15 drinks mostly coffee

    The profits in the first case are greater and tips distribute the profits to the actual workers in their actual shift becsusrse each order generates a tip.

    You can still have minimum wage. Tipping pays people for being good and busy.


  • #107
    Duggys Housemate
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,298 ✭✭✭Duggys Housemate


    April O Neill wrote: »
    Actually, it hasn't always been the tradition. It's a fairly recent thing in Ireland.

    And it's not greedy to decide how to spend your own hard-earned cash.

    "I'm all right, Jack" posturing? Sense of entitlement posturing on the other side, more like.

    Bullcrap. I'm 38 and have never not tipped in restaurants.


  • #108
    m5ex9oqjawdg2i
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,217 ✭✭✭✭m5ex9oqjawdg2i


    April O Neill wrote: »
    You said this:




    This is more than just asking for people's opinions.

    No, it's a statement, he didn't say he expected tips per say. He's amazed at his findings.


  • #109
    SV
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,533 ✭✭✭SV


    Isn't the entire point of 'tipping' that you only do it if the service is above average?
    Otherwise the person is just doing their job.

    This 'tipping because that's what you do' is a load of crap.
    Increase the prices slightly and pay the staff a proper wage rather than having them rely on tips, because I'm not giving you one unless you're brilliant at your job.


  • #110
    The Jman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 253 ✭✭The Jman


    I might tip if I was in a restaurant and the service was fantastic. Not a hope in hell I would tip a delivery driver for driving five mins up the road to give me a pizza though.


  • #111
    Duggys Housemate
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,298 ✭✭✭Duggys Housemate


    SV wrote: »
    Isn't the entire point of 'tipping' that you only do it if the service is above average?
    Otherwise the person is just doing their job.

    This 'tipping because that's what you do' is a load of crap.
    Increase the prices slightly and pay the staff a proper wage rather than having them rely on tips, because I'm not giving you one unless you're brilliant at your job.

    No. You can withdraw payments if people are bad.

    The capitalist will pay the minimum he can get away with so non tipping is an excuse. You know it won't lead to greater pay. It's just self justification.


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  • #112
    April O Neill
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,305 ✭✭✭April O Neill


    Duggys Housemate wrote: »
    Bullcrap. I'm 38 and have never not tipped in restaurants.

    That's what I mean by recent, the last 15-20 years or so. My parents are still not massively comfortable with it.


  • #113
    Duggys Housemate
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,298 ✭✭✭Duggys Housemate


    April O Neill wrote: »
    That's what I mean by recent, the last 15-20 years or so. My parents are still not massively comfortable with it.

    Fair enough. There are still analomies of course. I don't tip in Cafes.

    However , analomies aside. I see the logic of tipping.


  • #114
    SV
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,533 ✭✭✭SV


    Duggys Housemate wrote: »
    No. You can withdraw payments if people are bad.

    The capitalist will pay the minimum he can get away with so non tipping is an excuse. You know it won't lead to greater pay. It's just self justification.

    I tip 90% of the time but I rarely find bad service.
    There has been occasions when a waiter was pretty rude to me and just unfriendly in general that I didn't tip.

    I would never tip in a bar though, such an Americanism. There is no talent or skill in opening a bottle of beer.


  • #115
    Duggys Housemate
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,298 ✭✭✭Duggys Housemate


    SV wrote: »
    I tip 90% of the time but I rarely find bad service.
    There has been occasions when a waiter was pretty rude to me and just unfriendly in general that I didn't tip.

    I would never tip in a bar though, such an Americanism. There is no talent or skill in opening a bottle of beer.

    There is when the bar is busy. It's knowing the order of customers , multitasking , handling change , dealing with nasty customers. Etc


  • #116
    mikemac1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,395 ✭✭✭✭mikemac1


    Restaurants are one of the few businesses that charge you more the more you spend.

    Book in a party of eight or more and many places will hit you with a service charge.

    You're giving them lots of money and management want even more

    Like these gougers wanting 10%
    http://www.luigimalones.com/menus/earlybird.pdf


    Any other business and you'd be getting a discount!

    It's not the serving staffs fault but it's hard to pay them a tip when your party is spending hundreds & hundreds and then you pay 10% more then everyone else


  • #117
    April O Neill
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,305 ✭✭✭April O Neill


    Duggys Housemate wrote: »
    Fair enough. There are still analomies of course. I don't tip in Cafes.

    Why not? See, this shows up how arbitrary the whole thing is. You can't really have a go at people for not doing it.


  • #118
    SV
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,533 ✭✭✭SV


    Duggys Housemate wrote: »
    There is when the bar is busy. It's knowing the order of customers , multitasking , handling change , dealing with nasty customers. Etc

    I ask for a bottle of bulmers, they take the bottle out of the fridge, open the cap for me and I pay them for it.

    Would you tip someone in a shop if it was busy for getting you a pack of cigarettes from behind?


  • #119
    Duggys Housemate
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,298 ✭✭✭Duggys Housemate


    mikemac1 wrote: »
    Restaurants are one of the few businesses that charge you more the more you spend.

    Book in a party of eight or more and many places will hit you with a service charge.

    You're giving them lots of money and management want even more

    Like these gougers wanting 10%
    http://www.luigimalones.com/menus/earlybird.pdf


    Any other business and you'd be getting a discount!

    It's not the serving staffs fault but it's hard to pay them a tip when your party is spending hundreds & hundreds a
    nd then you pay 10% more then everyone else

    They probably know that some of the large group are angry non tippers. For those of us who tip it's cheaper.


  • #120
    Miss Lockhart
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,639 ✭✭✭Miss Lockhart


    Duggys Housemate wrote: »
    Fair enough. There are still analomies of course. I don't tip in Cafes.

    Don't be making excuses for your greed now.


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  • #121
    Duggys Housemate
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,298 ✭✭✭Duggys Housemate


    April O Neill wrote: »
    Why not? See, this shows up how arbitrary the whole thing is. You can't really have a go at people for not doing it.

    Nope.

    A busy bar is not the same as a cash register. The former is one-many and people can be 4+ deep. A register is one on one.

    All excuses anyhow.


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