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  • #422
    K-9
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,313 ✭✭✭✭K-9


    The simple reason is soccer discussion is not allowed in AH, except under exceptional circumstances, World Cups, stuff like that.

    The reasoning for that is to look at why soccer is the only forum, AFAIK, that you need a minimum post count to gain entry to. It's better sporting tribalism is kept to the specific boards.

    I always see AH as both a serious and jokey forum, I think people should be able to make serious points, those points get seriously debated (if that's your thing), and we get plenty of humour thrown in (if that's your thing, great too). I don't see how anybody could clearly define that in a charter, it kind of takes the fun out of it!

    Mad Men's Don Draper : What you call love was invented by guys like me, to sell nylons.



  • #423
    harry Bailey esq
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,814 ✭✭✭harry Bailey esq


    K-9 wrote: »
    The simple reason is soccer discussion is not allowed in AH, except under exceptional circumstances, World Cups, stuff like that.

    The reasoning for that is to look at why soccer is the only forum, AFAIK, that you need a minimum post count to gain entry to. It's better sporting tribalism is kept to the specific boards.

    I always see AH as both a serious and jokey forum, I think people should be able to make serious points, those points get seriously debated (if that's your thing), and we get plenty of humour thrown in (if that's your thing, great too). I don't see how anybody could clearly define that in a charter, it kind of takes the fun out of it!

    that thread was just one example,today a thread appeared in ah about the bit of trouble in portmarnock and people were having a laugh with it,that was locked and users were directed to a similar thread on north county Dublin,however a mod on that forum stated 'this thread is in north county Dublin forum now,useful replies only please' so people basically can't have a laugh with it because they Will be shot down.that there is what takes the fun out of it.


  • #424
    Super-Rush
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,473 ✭✭✭✭Super-Rush


    harry Bailey esq wrote: »
    that thread was just one example,today a thread appeared in ah about the bit of trouble in portmarnock and people were having a laugh with it,that was locked and users were directed to a similar thread on north county Dublin,however a mod on that forum stated 'this thread is in north county Dublin forum now,useful replies only please' so people basically can't have a laugh with it because they Will be shot down.that there is what takes the fun out of it.

    What a mod of another forum says is nothing to do with After Hours, its a general feedback issue.

    That being said, its a rule i agree with.


  • #425
    K-9
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,313 ✭✭✭✭K-9


    harry Bailey esq wrote: »
    that thread was just one example,today a thread appeared in ah about the bit of trouble in portmarnock and people were having a laugh with it,that was locked and users were directed to a similar thread on north county Dublin,however a mod on that forum stated 'this thread is in north county Dublin forum now,useful replies only please' so people basically can't have a laugh with it because they Will be shot down.that there is what takes the fun out of it.

    I see your point.

    It is something we are discussing amongst the mods, again I see your point, but we can't really be held responsible for how another forum treats a re-directed thread, or how another forum treats a similar thread.

    Mad Men's Don Draper : What you call love was invented by guys like me, to sell nylons.



  • #426
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 53,068 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    harry Bailey esq wrote: »
    that thread was just one example,today a thread appeared in ah about the bit of trouble in portmarnock and people were having a laugh with it,that was locked and users were directed to a similar thread on north county Dublin,however a mod on that forum stated 'this thread is in north county Dublin forum now,useful replies only please' so people basically can't have a laugh with it because they Will be shot down.that there is what takes the fun out of it.

    Unless a new thread was started that I missed. The portmarnock thread wasn't locked, it was moved to the Dublin county north forum because it was a question specifically about something that was happening "right now" in north county Dublin.

    Previously, we may have simply locked that thread and posted a link to the correct forum but as a direct result of feedback from this thread, we have been trying to move threads rather than lock them wherever possible.

    Unfortunately posters sometimes use AH as a bit of a dumping ground because they don't want to spend any amount of time looking for the appropriate forum - that's never going to be something we ignore.


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  • #427
    LizT
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,089 ✭✭✭✭LizT


    There was another thread started, which I locked and linked to the thread which whoopsa moved to Dublin County North. I would have moved it if there wasn't a thread in that forum already.


  • #428
    harry Bailey esq
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,814 ✭✭✭harry Bailey esq


    LizT wrote: »
    There was another thread started, which I locked and linked to the thread which whoopsa moved to Dublin County North. I would have moved it if there wasn't a thread in that forum already.

    what i mean Liz is if the users of ah would most likely make a few quips,took the mick a bit and have a bit of fun with it,and today its yesterdays news,and locked.that's what makes after hours great.People can do that without getting into heavy conversations about the ills of society today ect.when it shifted to ncd any chance of a bit of banter was put firmly to bed,and us loyal ah users were effectively out in the cold with nowhere to post.


  • #429
    The Backwards Man
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,299 ✭✭✭✭The Backwards Man


    harry Bailey esq wrote: »
    what i mean Liz is if the users of ah would most likely make a few quips,took the mick a bit and have a bit of fun with it,and today its yesterdays news,and locked.that's what makes after hours great.People can do that without getting into heavy conversations about the ills of society today ect.when it shifted to ncd any chance of a bit of banter was put firmly to bed,and us loyal ah users were effectively out in the cold with nowhere to post.
    That's precisely the type of thread I don't like seeing in AH, where you see 'banter' all I can see is people getting the chance to spout abuse, it always ends up in a cluster**** and somebody goes too far and gets themselves banned.

    I suppose that's what makes the mods' jobs difficult, all of us are looking for different things.


  • #430
    harry Bailey esq
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,814 ✭✭✭harry Bailey esq


    The Backwards Man wrote: »
    That's precisely the type of thread I don't like seeing in AH, where you see 'banter' all I can see is people getting the chance to spout abuse, it always ends up in a cluster**** and somebody goes too far and gets themselves banned.

    I suppose that's what makes the mods' jobs difficult, all of us are looking for different things.

    if people get banned its generally for good reason from what i can see,people are not here to 'spout abuse' for those who want to engage in that the thunderdome caters for them.ah is probably the best forum on boards,but its becoming a bit staid.I mean what qualifies as a topic in ah these days? i could look at the front page now and every topic Will have a forum it could be placed in,but people are missing the point.people who post in ah do so because of the light hearted nature of the forum,but in the past few months that very light heartedness is becoming less and less evident,and im sure many ah regulars,even some mods perhaps,would probably agree.


  • #431
    darced
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,056 ✭✭✭darced


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  • #432
    My name is URL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,547 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    I'm not really seeing why discussion about the 'riot' yesterday isn't allowed on AH. There's another thread discussing riots in Stockholm =/

    I don't think it's specificaly a regional issue either considering the apparent racial aspect to it. I think there's a discussion to be had tbh. If people are dicks and get banned then so be it; it's their problem... but the subject shouldn't be locked down just because that may happen at some point.


  • #433
    dr.bollocko
    Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 35,948 Mod ✭✭✭✭dr.bollocko


    We're discussing it as we speak URL.


  • #434
    dr.bollocko
    Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 35,948 Mod ✭✭✭✭dr.bollocko


    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056960790#


  • #435
    Gummy Panda
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,919 ✭✭✭✭Gummy Panda


    I'd like to question the attack the post and not the poster rule.

    How come some posters are allowed call others racist while I'm not allowed call posters retards?


  • #436
    strobe
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,872 ✭✭✭strobe


    To be honest I think it's time to look at the option of splitting AH into two separate forums.
    One with a massive and rigidly enforced charter dictating exactly what is acceptable, stressing "if there is even a possibility someone might find something you say offensive - err on the side of caution". Where off colour jokes, 'adult humour' ,and risqué opinions are expressly and clearly not welcome.

    And another forum with something similar to "attention, some people may find some of the posts and some of the views or opinions expressed in this forum offensive - if you do not wish to view such material please try 'the forum in the above paragraph' for your posting pleasure"

    It's pretty clear that there is a big enough divide now in AH between people who want the forum to be more and more PC for want of a better term, and those that think it was better when it was more rough and ready.

    Schism the forum and you actually can please all of the people all of the time.

    Otherwise you're going to end up with a watered down half way point that no one is really happy with .


  • #437
    Red Alert
    Hosted Moderators Posts: 7,486 ✭✭✭Red Alert


    To be honest, I'm getting a bit fed up of the overly harsh and preemptive moderation of topics that concern celebrities. Every time there's a chance that something negative might be posted, there's a warning in the first line about it. It's certainly making me visit boards.ie less and less, mainly due to that in AH.


  • #438
    Odysseus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,752 ✭✭✭Odysseus


    I have brought this up with the mods of AH a few times in various contexts over the past two years.

    Anyway I would like to see the term junkie put on the banned list, at the end of the day drug addiction is a recognised medical and psychological disorder, and junkie is a derogatory term used to describe this condition.

    We would not allow people to use derogatory term to describe depression, schizophrenia or any other condition.

    A quick look at the current thread on addiction “Junkies in Nursing Homes” gives a sense of how the term is used here in AH.

    We wouldn’t allow posters to use such a derogatory term in the psych forum, and I understand AH is different, but I can see no use for the term here. Posters can simply use the term addict or another suitable term.

    Apart from this, I think AH has changed over the years I have being posting here and I think overall it has been a very positive change, which is due to the hard work of the mods here. Fair play to you guys, it cannot be easy to mod here.


  • #439
    Czarcasm
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,076 ✭✭✭✭Czarcasm


    Odysseus wrote: »
    Anyway I would like to see the term junkie put on the banned list, at the end of the day drug addiction is a recognised medical and psychological disorder, and junkie is a derogatory term used to describe this condition.

    We would not allow people to use derogatory term to describe depression, schizophrenia or any other condition.


    Odysseus you'd be wrong there. Boards allows for the use of the term "retarded" to describe a post as displaying the level of a posters intellectual ability. It's one way to get around the "attack the post, not the poster" rule, like so-
    paddyg91 wrote: »
    That is a retarded view.


    So good luck to you trying to get "junkie" removed from the AH lexicon.


  • #440
    Odysseus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,752 ✭✭✭Odysseus


    Czarcasm wrote: »
    Odysseus you'd be wrong there. Boards allows for the use of the term "retarded" to describe a post as displaying the level of a posters intellectual ability. It's one way to get around the "attack the post, not the poster" rule, like so-




    So good luck to you trying to get "junkie" removed from the AH lexicon.

    I am aware of that one, I seen your own post about it recently and of course I concur. It does stand for certain conditions though, I don't think you would get away with using derogatory terms for depression or similar conditions.

    I doubt I have a chance to be honest, as I said I have brought it up with individual mods, the AH mods as a group and even in the mods forum, but alas...

    Anyway, as the mods are looking for feedback it is really the only issue I would be unhappy with here, in general I think the mods do a great job here.

    All I can do is raise the point whenever there is an opportunity to do so.


  • #441
    RDM_83 again
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,116 ✭✭✭RDM_83 again


    Gummy Panda wrote: »
    I'd like to question the attack the post and not the poster rule.

    How come some posters are allowed call others racist while I'm not allowed call posters retards?

    +1 to this it comes across as quiet trolling, Perhaps a bit of it might be to do with the fact that in general the ones calling people racists are "good" posters while the ones being called racists aren't and sometimes the posters being called on it are pretty racist
    Odysseus wrote: »

    Anyway I would like to see the term junkie put on the banned list, at the end of the day drug addiction is a recognised medical and psychological disorder, and junkie is a derogatory term used to describe this condition.

    In my uniformed opinion, but personally I would consider Junkies as different to Drug Addicts, the same way (don;t ban me :pac: ) I'd consider Kn*ckers to be different to member of the Traveling community,
    e.g Implying anti-social behaviour and a certain appearance etc rather than simply suffering from an addiction or being from a certain ethnic bakground.

    Both are words I wouldn't tend to use on boards.ie anyway but I think a lot of people might have a similar distinction when they use these terms, however I do agree with you

    On a broader note, AH should decide if it wants to be more like The Sun (offensive uninformative but entertaining) or more like the Irish Times (intelligent informative but rather dull) rather than a bizare hybrid of the two (Yes I am mixing my media metaphors!)


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  • #442
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Czarcasm wrote: »
    Odysseus you'd be wrong there. Boards allows for the use of the term "retarded" to describe a post as displaying the level of a posters intellectual ability. It's one way to get around the "attack the post, not the poster" rule, like so-

    So good luck to you trying to get "junkie" removed from the AH lexicon.

    You've had a feedback thread on that subject specifically, so I'm at pains to see why you need to hijack this thread for more of the same.


  • #443
    Czarcasm
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,076 ✭✭✭✭Czarcasm


    Nodin wrote: »
    You've had a feedback thread on that subject specifically, so I'm at pains to see why you need to hijack this thread for more of the same.


    I still love you too Nodin!


  • #444
    DEFTLEFTHAND
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,499 ✭✭✭✭DEFTLEFTHAND


    Give us a bit of space when it comes to sport. Allow sports threads to develop without directing them to whatever forum, it's fun to debate sport in AH.


  • #445
    Winston Payne
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,561 ✭✭✭Winston Payne


    DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »
    Give us a bit of space when it comes to sport. Allow sports threads to develop without directing them to whatever forum, it's fun to debate sport in AH.


    There are forums dedicated to sports. Some can't behave themselves in forums where there's restricted access,opening it up to AH would be a disaster.


  • #446
    Gokei
    Closed Accounts Posts: 795 ✭✭✭Gokei


    Winston Payne wrote: »
    There are forums dedicated to sports.
    There's forums dedicated to nearly everything. What purpose does AH actually have if all topics get shoved off to the relevant forum?


  • #447
    Winston Payne
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,561 ✭✭✭Winston Payne


    Gokei wrote: »
    There's forums dedicated to nearly everything. What purpose does AH actually have if all topics get shoved off to the relevant forum?


    Separate issue. AH and sport have proven that they don't go well together. There's plenty of other places to discuss it.


  • #448
    Gokei
    Closed Accounts Posts: 795 ✭✭✭Gokei


    Winston Payne wrote: »
    AH and sport have proven that they don't go well together.
    That's what cards/warnings are for.. if a mod finds they're unable to maintain order, they can always call for backup.


  • #449
    Winston Payne
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,561 ✭✭✭Winston Payne


    Gokei wrote: »
    That's what cards/warnings are for.. if a mod finds they're unable to maintain order, they can always call for backup.

    Why attract the trouble? And that's what those threads have been in AH consistently, trouble. Particularly soccer. It's too much grief for the topic to be allowed when you can discuss it to your heart's content in the dedicated forum for it. Not to mention all the carping that would be done every time a thread is started on it.


  • #450
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Gokei wrote: »
    That's what cards/warnings are for.. if a mod finds they're unable to maintain order, they can always call for backup.


    .....soccer causes more grief than most of the controversial subjects that come up put together. Theres a big thread put up for international tournaments and thats it. The club stuff ends in insanity.


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  • #451
    K-9
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,313 ✭✭✭✭K-9


    AH is repetitive enough without bringing Liverpool vs. United, Celtic vs. Rangers etc. etc. into it.

    I'd love it, would make my Liverpool support seem more relevant these days.

    Mad Men's Don Draper : What you call love was invented by guys like me, to sell nylons.



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