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Is rape always rape? Are men always to blame?

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  • #2
    Nabber
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,855 ✭✭✭Nabber


    No means no. Don't stop and it's rape.

    Quite simple if you ask me.


  • #3
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    TheLastMohican wrote: »
    Has the pendulum swung too far? Is dressing provocatively giving the wrong message?

    http://www.independent.ie/world-news/europe/nick-ross-triggers-outrage-with-comments-on-rape-29297621.html


    Medieval bollocks.


  • #4
    MickFleetwood
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,148 ✭✭✭MickFleetwood


    delete


  • #5
    humbert
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,238 ✭✭✭humbert


    If I had to guess I'd say there was some publicity seeking trolling going on.


  • #6
    SB2013
    Closed Accounts Posts: 805 ✭✭✭SB2013


    There are definitely inequalities in the law and in attitudes too but I don't think you can go writing of rapes as misunderstandings.


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  • #7
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Really OP? Is this the best idea for a thread you could come up with?

    No? Or did you really mean yes?


  • #8
    kingcobra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 835 ✭✭✭kingcobra


    The only time rape is not rape is when it is not rape.


  • #9
    fred funk }{
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,834 ✭✭✭fred funk }{


    Mother of fooking god, not another rape thread.


  • #10
    The Backwards Man
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,299 ✭✭✭✭The Backwards Man


    If I go into the bank tomorrow and there is a bag of money on the floor, I still know it is wrong to take it. Simple as.


  • #11
    Pherekydes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,248 ✭✭✭✭Pherekydes


    Not when it's legitimate rape.


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  • #12
    jaffacakesyum
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,207 ✭✭✭jaffacakesyum


    TheLastMohican wrote: »
    Has the pendulum swung too far? Is dressing provocatively giving the wrong message?

    http://www.independent.ie/world-news/europe/nick-ross-triggers-outrage-with-comments-on-rape-29297621.html[/QUOTE]

    Sad thing is, you're probably not even trolling.


  • #13
    Amirani
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,554 Mod ✭✭✭✭Amirani


    The Backwards Man wrote: »
    If I go into the bank tomorrow and there is a bag of money on the floor, I still know it is wrong to take it. Simple as.

    Yeah, absolutely. It's still 100% the fault of the perpetrator. It would be silly for a bank to put themselves in that situation though, just like it would be silly for a person to not take appropriate precautions against being raped.


  • #14
    keelanj69
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,089 ✭✭✭keelanj69


    What no one seems to understand is that the body has ways of shutting down in cases of illegitimate rape. Or is it legitimate rape? I cant remember, the one where yur wan can't get pregnant.


  • #15
    Emz93
    Closed Accounts Posts: 90 ✭✭Emz93


    NiallSparky wrote: »
    just like it would be silly for a person to not take appropriate precautions against being raped.

    Such as?


  • #16
    jaffacakesyum
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,207 ✭✭✭jaffacakesyum


    NiallSparky wrote: »
    Yeah, absolutely. It's still 100% the fault of the perpetrator. It would be silly for a bank to put themselves in that situation though, just like it would be silly for a person to not take appropriate precautions against being raped.

    More victim blaming. So I shouldn't be allowed to walk down the street in a dress or a skirt? Do I deserve to be raped because I didn't take "all appropriate precautions"?

    Here's a suggestion - men and women be allowed wear whatever they want and men (and sometimes women) just stop raping people, hmm?


  • #17
    Seanafitz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 75 ✭✭Seanafitz


    TheLastMohican wrote: »
    Has the pendulum swung too far? Is dressing provocatively giving the wrong message?

    http://www.independent.ie/world-news/europe/nick-ross-triggers-outrage-with-comments-on-rape-29297621.html

    This entire post disgusts me ... Shame on you OP .. Rape is not a topic for debate .. If a man has sex with a woman and she has expressed her opinion that she does not want to ? That's rape ... If a man has sex with a woman who is in such a bad state that she is unable to say yes or no .. The man is taking advantage so it's rape ... I agree with a post before this ... Rape is only not rape when it's not rape .. I'm actually sick that this thread has been allowed ... How can you question whether its rape or not??


  • #18
    SB2013
    Closed Accounts Posts: 805 ✭✭✭SB2013


    Seanafitz wrote: »
    This entire post disgusts me ... Shame on you OP .. Rape is not a topic for debate .. If a man has sex with a woman and she has expressed her opinion that she does not want to ? That's rape ... If a man has sex with a woman who is in such a bad state that she is unable to say yes or no .. The man is taking advantage so it's rape ... I agree with a post before this ... Rape is only not rape when it's not rape .. I'm actually sick that this thread has been allowed ... How can you question whether its rape or not??

    What if both of them are in such a bad state?


  • #19
    Seanafitz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 75 ✭✭Seanafitz


    jaffacakesyum wrote: »
    More victim blaming. So I shouldn't be allowed to walk down the street in a dress or a skirt? Do I deserve to be raped because I didn't take "all appropriate precautions"?

    Here's a suggestion - men and women be allowed wear whatever they want and men (and sometimes women) just stop raping people, hmm?

    I agree .. Woman should not be blamed for rape based on the clothes they wear ... Men walk around wit no tshirts and in shorts.. Am I allowed to rape them?


  • #20
    KKkitty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,537 ✭✭✭KKkitty


    When I was 16 I went to celebrate my junior cert results with my classmates. Got talking to some lad and went outside the venue. He asked me for sex and I stupidly agreed. I wasn't long changing my mind and even though I asked him a few times to stop he didn't. To this day I don't know if I was raped or not. I was naive at the time.


  • #21
    Karl Stein
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,689 ✭✭✭Karl Stein


    Mr Ross highlighted what he described as the “provocative way” women had been dressing in the West since the 1960s.


    Bloody women with their boobs and stuff making men rape them.

    It's a flippin disgrace. We're the victims here.

    WE'RE THE GODDAMN VICTIMS.


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  • #22
    [Deleted User]
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    KK, you changed your mind therefore, he had sex with you against your will.


  • #23
    Seanafitz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 75 ✭✭Seanafitz


    SB2013 wrote: »
    What if both of them are in such a bad state?

    Then the man could counter charge of rape .. Both charges would be reduced to indecent assault in the best of circumstances and they move on ... But honestly ... That's not what this post is about ? That news article .. Your man who ever he 'thinks' he is ... Has said basically that its time for change based on factors that are ridiculously outrageous that he Should be slated for being so insensitive about such a sensitive subject


  • #24
    jhegarty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,441 ✭✭✭jhegarty


    Seanafitz wrote: »
    Men walk around wit no tshirts and in shorts.. Am I allowed to rape them?

    Under Irish law , yes you can. It wouldn't be rape.


  • #25
    Seanafitz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 75 ✭✭Seanafitz


    jhegarty wrote: »
    Under Irish law , yes you can. It wouldn't be rape.

    *slaps forehead in utter disappointment at the world*
    That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard


  • #26
    laoch na mona
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,971 ✭✭✭laoch na mona


    SB2013 wrote: »
    What if both of them are in such a bad state?

    don't know about you but there is not many a man who is on the edge of consciousness that would be able to ahh 'perform'


  • #27
    jaffacakesyum
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,207 ✭✭✭jaffacakesyum


    KKkitty wrote: »
    When I was 16 I went to celebrate my junior cert results with my classmates. Got talking to some lad and went outside the venue. He asked me for sex and I stupidly agreed. I wasn't long changing my mind and even though I asked him a few times to stop he didn't. To this day I don't know if I was raped or not. I was naive at the time.

    You asked him to stop, he refused. That is clearly rape. I'm sorry you went through it :( I know it can be confusing though - the human brain is a funny thing. I was a similar age to you when I was raped and it was a very confusing time afterwards.


  • #28
    KKkitty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,537 ✭✭✭KKkitty


    Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »
    KK, you changed your mind therefore, he had sex with you against your will.

    Guess I didn't want to think I was raped. I didn't dress provocatively at the time but my naivety was at an all time high back then.


  • #29
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    KK, Jaffacake, those two thanks I just gave you are really hugs.


  • #30
    Seanafitz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 75 ✭✭Seanafitz


    KKkitty wrote: »
    Guess I didn't want to think I was raped. I didn't dress provocatively at the time but my naivety was at an all time high back then.

    Dressing provocatively has nothing to do with it .. A man rapes a woman because he wants to have sex with her an she does not consent .. Not because he likes how her arse looks in a short skirt! While that is a factor in him wanting to have sex wit her its not the ultimate reason .. I'm sorry for what you went through kk but in my opinion you wer raped .. And any one who tries to say different is an ignorant pig that has that 'rape gene' in him/her ... I have very little hope left for the future of humanity at this point ..


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  • #31
    SB2013
    Closed Accounts Posts: 805 ✭✭✭SB2013


    Seanafitz wrote: »
    *slaps forehead in utter disappointment at the world*
    That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard

    yet still true
    laoch na mona wrote: »
    don't know about you but there is not many a man who is on the edge of consciousness that would be able to ahh 'perform'

    Google Viagra. You might get a surprise.

    Basically the law views women as damsels or maidens. This attitude is quite common in Ireland. This may not seem like a bad thing but it effectively highlights women as the weaker sex which in my view is a bad thing.


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