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Is rape always rape? Are men always to blame?

TheLastMohican

Has the pendulum swung too far? Is dressing provocatively giving the wrong message?

http://www.independent.ie/world-news/europe/nick-ross-triggers-outrage-with-comments-on-rape-29297621.html

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Nabber

No means no. Don't stop and it's rape.

Quite simple if you ask me.

Nodin

TheLastMohican wrote: »

Has the pendulum swung too far? Is dressing provocatively giving the wrong message?

http://www.independent.ie/world-news/europe/nick-ross-triggers-outrage-with-comments-on-rape-29297621.html

Medieval bollocks.

MickFleetwood

delete

humbert

If I had to guess I'd say there was some publicity seeking trolling going on.

SB2013

There are definitely inequalities in the law and in attitudes too but I don't think you can go writing of rapes as misunderstandings.

[Deleted User]

Really OP? Is this the best idea for a thread you could come up with?

No? Or did you really mean yes?

kingcobra

The only time rape is not rape is when it is not rape.

fred funk }{

Mother of fooking god, not another rape thread.

The Backwards Man

If I go into the bank tomorrow and there is a bag of money on the floor, I still know it is wrong to take it. Simple as.

Pherekydes

Not when it's legitimate rape.

jaffacakesyum

TheLastMohican wrote: »

Has the pendulum swung too far? Is dressing provocatively giving the wrong message?

http://www.independent.ie/world-news/europe/nick-ross-triggers-outrage-with-comments-on-rape-29297621.html[/QUOTE]

Sad thing is, you're probably not even trolling.

Amirani

The Backwards Man wrote: »

If I go into the bank tomorrow and there is a bag of money on the floor, I still know it is wrong to take it. Simple as.

Yeah, absolutely. It's still 100% the fault of the perpetrator. It would be silly for a bank to put themselves in that situation though, just like it would be silly for a person to not take appropriate precautions against being raped.

keelanj69

What no one seems to understand is that the body has ways of shutting down in cases of illegitimate rape. Or is it legitimate rape? I cant remember, the one where yur wan can't get pregnant.

Emz93

NiallSparky wrote: »

just like it would be silly for a person to not take appropriate precautions against being raped.

Such as?

jaffacakesyum

NiallSparky wrote: »

Yeah, absolutely. It's still 100% the fault of the perpetrator. It would be silly for a bank to put themselves in that situation though, just like it would be silly for a person to not take appropriate precautions against being raped.

More victim blaming. So I shouldn't be allowed to walk down the street in a dress or a skirt? Do I deserve to be raped because I didn't take "all appropriate precautions"?

Here's a suggestion - men and women be allowed wear whatever they want and men (and sometimes women) just stop raping people, hmm?

Seanafitz

TheLastMohican wrote: »

Has the pendulum swung too far? Is dressing provocatively giving the wrong message?

http://www.independent.ie/world-news/europe/nick-ross-triggers-outrage-with-comments-on-rape-29297621.html

This entire post disgusts me ... Shame on you OP .. Rape is not a topic for debate .. If a man has sex with a woman and she has expressed her opinion that she does not want to ? That's rape ... If a man has sex with a woman who is in such a bad state that she is unable to say yes or no .. The man is taking advantage so it's rape ... I agree with a post before this ... Rape is only not rape when it's not rape .. I'm actually sick that this thread has been allowed ... How can you question whether its rape or not??

SB2013

Seanafitz wrote: »

This entire post disgusts me ... Shame on you OP .. Rape is not a topic for debate .. If a man has sex with a woman and she has expressed her opinion that she does not want to ? That's rape ... If a man has sex with a woman who is in such a bad state that she is unable to say yes or no .. The man is taking advantage so it's rape ... I agree with a post before this ... Rape is only not rape when it's not rape .. I'm actually sick that this thread has been allowed ... How can you question whether its rape or not??

What if both of them are in such a bad state?

Seanafitz

jaffacakesyum wrote: »

More victim blaming. So I shouldn't be allowed to walk down the street in a dress or a skirt? Do I deserve to be raped because I didn't take "all appropriate precautions"?

Here's a suggestion - men and women be allowed wear whatever they want and men (and sometimes women) just stop raping people, hmm?

I agree .. Woman should not be blamed for rape based on the clothes they wear ... Men walk around wit no tshirts and in shorts.. Am I allowed to rape them?

KKkitty

When I was 16 I went to celebrate my junior cert results with my classmates. Got talking to some lad and went outside the venue. He asked me for sex and I stupidly agreed. I wasn't long changing my mind and even though I asked him a few times to stop he didn't. To this day I don't know if I was raped or not. I was naive at the time.

Karl Stein

Mr Ross highlighted what he described as the “provocative way” women had been dressing in the West since the 1960s.

Bloody women with their boobs and stuff making men rape them.

It's a flippin disgrace. We're the victims here.

WE'RE THE GODDAMN VICTIMS.

[Deleted User]

KK, you changed your mind therefore, he had sex with you against your will.

Seanafitz

SB2013 wrote: »

What if both of them are in such a bad state?

Then the man could counter charge of rape .. Both charges would be reduced to indecent assault in the best of circumstances and they move on ... But honestly ... That's not what this post is about ? That news article .. Your man who ever he 'thinks' he is ... Has said basically that its time for change based on factors that are ridiculously outrageous that he Should be slated for being so insensitive about such a sensitive subject

jhegarty

Seanafitz wrote: »

Men walk around wit no tshirts and in shorts.. Am I allowed to rape them?

Under Irish law , yes you can. It wouldn't be rape.

Seanafitz

jhegarty wrote: »

Under Irish law , yes you can. It wouldn't be rape.

*slaps forehead in utter disappointment at the world*
That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard

laoch na mona

SB2013 wrote: »

What if both of them are in such a bad state?

don't know about you but there is not many a man who is on the edge of consciousness that would be able to ahh 'perform'

jaffacakesyum

KKkitty wrote: »

When I was 16 I went to celebrate my junior cert results with my classmates. Got talking to some lad and went outside the venue. He asked me for sex and I stupidly agreed. I wasn't long changing my mind and even though I asked him a few times to stop he didn't. To this day I don't know if I was raped or not. I was naive at the time.

You asked him to stop, he refused. That is clearly rape. I'm sorry you went through it

I know it can be confusing though - the human brain is a funny thing. I was a similar age to you when I was raped and it was a very confusing time afterwards.

KKkitty

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

KK, you changed your mind therefore, he had sex with you against your will.

Guess I didn't want to think I was raped. I didn't dress provocatively at the time but my naivety was at an all time high back then.

[Deleted User]

KK, Jaffacake, those two thanks I just gave you are really hugs.

Seanafitz

KKkitty wrote: »

Guess I didn't want to think I was raped. I didn't dress provocatively at the time but my naivety was at an all time high back then.

Dressing provocatively has nothing to do with it .. A man rapes a woman because he wants to have sex with her an she does not consent .. Not because he likes how her arse looks in a short skirt! While that is a factor in him wanting to have sex wit her its not the ultimate reason .. I'm sorry for what you went through kk but in my opinion you wer raped .. And any one who tries to say different is an ignorant pig that has that 'rape gene' in him/her ... I have very little hope left for the future of humanity at this point ..

SB2013

Seanafitz wrote: »

*slaps forehead in utter disappointment at the world*
That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard

yet still true

laoch na mona wrote: »

don't know about you but there is not many a man who is on the edge of consciousness that would be able to ahh 'perform'

Google Viagra. You might get a surprise.

Basically the law views women as damsels or maidens. This attitude is quite common in Ireland. This may not seem like a bad thing but it effectively highlights women as the weaker sex which in my view is a bad thing.