Just seen a strange case of blatant racism on the bus home!

Timmyctc · 19-05-2013 04:05AM

Nodin wrote: »

There's a point in there, just waiting to get out - I can feel it.

I think you're supposed to post an article linking to a crime a white man committed and we keep doing that until eventually you end up back at the slave ships. Best get started now so we can be finished in time for tea tomorrow.

TEMPLAR KNIGHT · 19-05-2013 06:19AM

He's entitled to his opinion freedom of speech and all that, its different when they act on them!

Norwesterner · 19-05-2013 07:40AM

Considering dublin property prices are lower in areas of high immigration and multi culturism, it would seem many Irish people also prefer to live in areas of low immigration.....if they can afford it of course.
But damn if they'll admit it.

dermo88 · 19-05-2013 08:17AM

While we are born the same, with the same blood, teaching and conditioning make us racist and give us preconceptions. These take a while to break down.

I don't distrust races, I DO distrust certain Nationalities and that unfortunately is caused by experience. First, Nigerians, although I keep an open mind, the educated Middle class grafters are the nicest folks I know, and they openly admit that they do not, and cannot trust their own.

Second.....Saudi Arabians. Put one foot wrong with my lady friends and you are toast. Just because the ladies outside the Middle East are'nt done up in a Star Wars fancy dress outfit does not mean they are 'available'. If you think they are, prepare for the consequences.

Third, obviously, travellers. There are plenty of decent ones, but its the scummers in the community that let the side down.

cletus van damme · 19-05-2013 08:22AM

can I ask ,something that has bugged me for a while, why is racism such a big deal?
I'm not saying I approve but it seems to be that there are people out there continually on with their finger on the trigger to find racism and accuse people of some heinous crime.

I don't believe racism, in terms of opinion or speech, to be that bad a thing.
We have law for attacks on the person so I'm not talking KKK style attacks here just general comment.
There are other things out there that people should be getting hot under the collar.

We see in the media cases like the john terry case where he abuses a guy , fairly mildly but makes reference to his colour and is vilified. However is it well known that he suffers taunts of a sexual nature regarding female family members but nobody creates a hysterical bandwagon.
So lets deduce - racist swearing is bad, sexual comments and threats on women is ok.

This week a bus driver was attacked in a racist attack and was all over the media. it was racist we are told and the chap had cuts and bruises..
Drivers have been attacked before unfortunately, but his attack is somehow deemed more worthy of outrage.
Assuming each person is equal why is an attack on one considered worse than another?

For me i just dont see the reason for the hysteria over racist comment.
People are dicks - racist comment or not doesn't make it any worse an offense.

vr7 · 19-05-2013 08:29AM

Irish and Spanish are very racist. Nothing surprises me, heard all the comments and jokes through the years.

Death and Taxes · 19-05-2013 09:55AM

TEMPLAR KNIGHT wrote: »

He's entitled to his opinion freedom of speech and all that, its different when they act on them!

There is no absolute right to freeedom of speech, freedom of speech is strictly limited by law.

gosplan · 19-05-2013 10:10AM

cletus van damme wrote: »

can I ask ,something that has bugged me for a while, why is racism such a big deal?
I'm not saying I approve but it seems to be that there are people out there continually on with their finger on the trigger to find racism and accuse people of some heinous crime.

I don't believe racism, in terms of opinion or speech, to be that bad a thing.
We have law for attacks on the person so I'm not talking KKK style attacks here just general comment.
There are other things out there that people should be getting hot under the collar.

We see in the media cases like the john terry case where he abuses a guy , fairly mildly but makes reference to his colour and is vilified. However is it well known that he suffers taunts of a sexual nature regarding female family members but nobody creates a hysterical bandwagon.
So lets deduce - racist swearing is bad, sexual comments and threats on women is ok.

This week a bus driver was attacked in a racist attack and was all over the media. it was racist we are told and the chap had cuts and bruises..
Drivers have been attacked before unfortunately, but his attack is somehow deemed more worthy of outrage.
Assuming each person is equal why is an attack on one considered worse than another?

For me i just dont see the reason for the hysteria over racist comment.
People are dicks - racist comment or not doesn't make it any worse an offense.

That's just the media. They love misery too. Doesn't make anything any better or worse, just that it arouses people's interest.

gosplan · 19-05-2013 10:13AM

Eramen wrote: »

My props to you for pointing this out. It's a great pity AH is most times a one way street on this issue, most could care less And they profess 'tolerance', what phonies! (But then again we figured these types out ages ago.. (aka the Helen Lovejoy archetype) )

Blah blah blah divisive comment. Yadda yadda yadda off topic clever reference. Blah blah blah subject changing question avoiding new thread direction rubbish. Yadda yadda yadda I can read between the lines.

LiamoSail · 19-05-2013 01:44PM

Norwesterner wrote: »

Considering dublin property prices are lower in areas of high immigration and multi culturism, it would seem many Irish people also prefer to live in areas of low immigration.....if they can afford it of course.
But damn if they'll admit it.

Have you considered that many immigrants come from poor countries and don't have much money, hence they deliberately move to cheaper areas?

Ongar being a case in point. Prices there would be lower then elsewhere irrespective of who lives there

Another point to consider is culture. Preferring not to live in a large immigrant community doesn't mean a person is racist, it may simply be that they prefer living near those with a shared culture, as its far easier to relate or socialise with people of the same culture

almighty1 · 19-05-2013 01:54PM

Originally the South Africans said they dont like black people. Queue a slew of people deeming them racist and then say that all white South Africaners are horrible people.

Ironic.

almighty1 · 19-05-2013 01:55PM

mfceiling wrote: »

They are south african OP.

What did you expext from them?

Congrats you are just as racist as the Saffers in the original post

woodoo · 19-05-2013 02:00PM

When people are coming from all over the world to settle in Europe it is not unreasonable that people ask whether its a good idea or not. The left want to rubbish anyone that does. My gut instinct is that more people are concerned about it than the left think. Millions are concerned. Why should they be silenced or their concerns be rubbished.

I favour small scale immigration with the view to integrating those people as well as possible. Certain groups are harder to integrate and we all know who they are. So why bother letting large numbers of them in. We don't owe anyone a new home.

Timmyctc · 19-05-2013 02:07PM

woodoo wrote: »

When people are coming from all over the world to settle in Europe it is not unreasonable that people ask whether its a good idea or not. The left want to rubbish anyone that does. My gut instinct is that more people are concerned about it than the left think. Millions are concerned. Why should they be silenced or their concerns be rubbished.

I favour small scale immigration with the view to integrating those people as well as possible. Certain groups are harder to integrate and we all know who they are. So why bother letting large numbers of them in. We don't owe anyone a new home.

There's 'certain groups' of Irish I don't like living near. Can we do a 1 in 1 out rule where we get one good immigrant in for one scumbag out?
Ps Who are these certain groups? Racists is it? I'd say they'd be harder to integrate in alright.

Annasopra · 19-05-2013 02:13PM

Itwasntme. wrote: »

I am shocked by some of the racist vitriol being spewed on here. In fact, I am stumped for a response. Oh well, that's probably because I am not as intelligent as white people according to the resident Darwinists. I better go steal something for dinner. Values, integrity, honor, principles, basic decency? Ain't nobody got time for that!! Don't you know? That's only for the evolved white people.

To be honest it doesn't shock me - racism is a serious problem in Ireland. The denial of it is a serious problem too.

Gatling · 19-05-2013 02:28PM

mango salsa wrote: »

To be honest it doesn't shock me - racism is a serious problem in Ireland. The denial of it is a serious problem too.

Its blown way out of proportion

Make It Happen 968 · 19-05-2013 03:13PM

mango salsa wrote: »

To be honest it doesn't shock me - racism is a serious problem in Ireland. The denial of it is a serious problem too.

Thats what happens when the government opens its door in the boom to all races. I remember hearing stories of 8 month pregnant nigerians on aer lingus flights to get the auld passport. UK France and other european countries face the same issues, giving rise to racist parties and extremism. Fact of the matter is most races tend to stick to their own people when they land in a new country, like the irish and italians did in america.

The King of Moo · 19-05-2013 03:31PM

Make It Happen 968 wrote: »

Thats what happens when the government opens its door in the boom to all races. I remember hearing stories of 8 month pregnant nigerians on aer lingus flights to get the auld passport. UK France and other european countries face the same issues, giving rise to racist parties and extremism. Fact of the matter is most races tend to stick to their own people when they land in a new country, like the irish and italians did in america.

"It's the foreigners' fault. We wouldn't be racist if there weren't any foreigners here."

Can you give us a link with some concrete details about heavily pregnant women coming here in order to give birth here to gain passports.

Make It Happen 968 · 19-05-2013 03:54PM

The King of Moo wrote: »

"It's the foreigners' fault. We wouldn't be racist if there weren't any foreigners here."

Can you give us a link with some concrete details about heavily pregnant women coming here in order to give birth here to gain passports.

Sure see below, im surprised you are not aware of this, ireland changed laws because of it

[EMAIL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birth_tourism"]
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Make It Happen 968 · 19-05-2013 03:56PM

Make It Happen 968 wrote: »

Sure see below, im surprised you are not aware of this, ireland changed laws because of it

[EMAIL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birth_tourism"]
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birth_tourism

Jimmy_Zed · 19-05-2013 04:17PM

I'd have friends who would be more to the "left" for lack of a better definition, but they certainly seem like rookies compared to some of the unquestioning, die hard posters of multiculturalism here on AH.

Genuinely, I don't think most of you even take this Utopian, United Colors of Benetton, children's fantasy ideal half as seriously in real life as you would promoting it online.

Anyway, I'm sure most of these Afrikaners are just misguided by the segregation they have and still grow up with, much in the same way a lot of Irish would be mistrustful toward newly arrived Nigerians.

The King of Moo · 19-05-2013 04:21PM

Make It Happen 968 wrote: »

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birth_tourism

An unreferenced mention of "media reports" on a wikipedia page isn't good enough. I'm not disputing that it's legally possible for people to engage in birth tourism. But can you provide any evidence (not Irish media reports) of this being a widespread practice?

Make It Happen 968 · 19-05-2013 04:26PM

The King of Moo wrote: »

An unreferenced mention of "media reports" on a wikipedia page isn't good enough. I'm not disputing that it's legally possible for people to engage in birth tourism. But can you provide any evidence (not Irish media reports) of this being a widespread practice?

Did you read the bit about the constitutional amendment passed in 2004 as a result of said media reports? Are you suggesting that the amendment had no basis in reality?

The King of Moo · 19-05-2013 04:34PM

Make It Happen 968 wrote: »

Did you read the bit about the constitutional amendment passed in 2004 as a result of said media reports? Are you suggesting that the amendment had no basis in reality?

I've no evidence that that's the case. I've no evidence that many women were engaging in birth tourism, and I've no evidence that such practices influenced the passing of the amendment.

Eramen · 19-05-2013 04:42PM

Timmyctc wrote: »

There's 'certain groups' of Irish I don't like living near. Can we do a 1 in 1 out rule where we get one good immigrant in for one scumbag out?
Ps Who are these certain groups? Racists is it? I'd say they'd be harder to integrate in alright.

mango salsa wrote: »

To be honest it doesn't shock me - racism is a serious problem in Ireland. The denial of it is a serious problem too.

Actually in a survey released just this week we can see that it's not the Irish who are the most 'racist', especially in relation to living near different races (which is the basis of the study). So maybe you should lay off the Irish and hunt for your imaginary racism elsewhere? Or is it the case that if you can't find a problem, simply make one up? Who would have guessed? :rolleyes:

Again, it's the so-called 'anti-racists' who have no respect for any culture that are most guilty of keeping the racist agenda alive in the West and attempting to do so internationally.

Where in many cases most people accept human nature and our cultures when it comes to social interaction and preferences, the anti-racist is quick always bring up the 'race issue' as the principle problem of human society - which 99 times out of 100 is little more than a self-made fantasy and at worst an integral part of a utopianistic, naive ideology making a claim to some sort of perverse 'moral-superiority' as we see time and time again.

Whereas people of all races are very intent to move on in many parts of the world, the anti-racist racists simply will not let us, holding us back with self-made problems accompanied by racial quotas, enforced sensitivity training, and a profound lack of respect for other people's choice and practice of cultural custom.

The anti-racists negate our rich cultures, our familial bonds, sex, history, ideals and languages for the sake of a monocultural globalisation, because this economic/cultural globalisation [aka nation-robbing] can only take place in a rootless society where people have no unifying values or common interest. Thus we have this cultural Americanisation which is a boring, obscene and superficial 'replacement' for actual culture. It is patently anti-diversity as unique peoples are emancipated from their identities.

Make no mistake about it, the Anti-racists are racists and their political ideology plays an integral part in damning our society to a rootless, samey, non-cultural state of existence by claiming that 'there are no ethnic groups/races' and if there are 'we are all the same anyway'. Yeah right.. dream on.. hypocrites.

mikemac1 · 19-05-2013 04:53PM

The King of Moo wrote: »

But can you provide any evidence (not Irish media reports) of this being a widespread practice?

You're looking for foreign commentators giving information on a little known Irish referendum from several years ago.
A bit much, there's only posters here, same as you.

Master of Holles Street should be a good source, he's not a politican

A major drop in the number of non-national mothers from outside the EU giving birth here has been recorded since the ‘yes’ vote in the citizenship referendum earlier this year, according to the National Maternity Hospital in Holles Street.

Holles Street Master Dr Declan Keane told irishhealth.com that prior to the referendum, 16% of the deliveries at the hospital were to non-EU women and five per cent were to women from other EU countries.

He said that since the referendum, this figure had been reversed, with 16% of births now accounted for by mothers from other EU countries and five per cent to mothers from outside the EU.

"The citizenship issue has changed things around dramatically-it has been a complete turnaround, with many of the EU mothers coming from the new accession states and fewer Nigerians now giving birth." The hospital expects to deliver about 8,400 infants this year.
http://www.irishhealth.com/article.html?id=6749

From 2004, about 5 months after the referendum passed

Make It Happen 968 · 19-05-2013 04:54PM

The King of Moo wrote: »

I've no evidence that that's the case. I've no evidence that many women were engaging in birth tourism, and I've no evidence that such practices influenced the passing of the amendment.

Yes, somebody just woke up one day and decided hey lets have a referendum and change the consitution. Anyway, i feel i would be wasting my time trying to convince you of cause and effect.

Make It Happen 968 · 19-05-2013 04:58PM

mikemac1 wrote: »

You're looking for foreign commentators giving information on a little known Irish referendum from several years ago.
A bit much, there's only posters here, same as you.

Master of Holles Street should be a good source, he's not a politican

From 2004, about 5 months after the referendum passed

11% drop from non EU patients (patients is probably the wrong word but it's a hospital) pretty much instantly

Thanks, thats a pretty good source!

The King of Moo · 19-05-2013 05:22PM

mikemac1 wrote: »

You're looking for foreign commentators giving information on a little known Irish referendum from several years ago.
A bit much, there's only posters here, same as you.

Master of Holles Street should be a good source, he's not a politican

From 2004, about 5 months after the referendum passed

Nothing too shocking there. It's not a massive drop and as the article itself states, the difference in rates between EU and non-EU births is also due to the new EU accession states in 2004 (it doesn't give much indication of the decrease in number of non-EU births, which would be more revealing than the decrease in percentage, which was bound to happen with the enlargement of the EU).
Of course some people would take advantage of the pre-amendment situation, but there's nothing to suggest that pre-2004 we were flooded by immigrants coming here just to give birth. I didn't notice anything like that before then.

And I'm not looking for any media reports, Irish or otherwise, on a touchy issue like immigration, only facts and figures, like the link above.

LiamoSail · 19-05-2013 05:36PM

mango salsa wrote: »

To be honest it doesn't shock me - racism is a serious problem in Ireland. The denial of it is a serious problem too.

Not relative to other countries its not. Look at the representation of far right parties in countries like France, Austria and obviously the bnp there across the water. We don't have that equivalent in ireland because its not as big a problem here as elsewhere

Just seen a strange case of blatant racism on the bus home!

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