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Just seen a strange case of blatant racism on the bus home!

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  • #92
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    gallag wrote: »
    I dont get your point, I guess you are saying that its more about the sports they play at home but there are many millions of chinese/indian people living in europe/America etc that are into football/boxing etc you will accept the numbers if the prove a positive, like the indians are a very intelligent race and many succeed in a medical career but you will become emotive if I say somthing that can be born out in fact but negative. Did you consider mabey the Chinese on average will be about 5 inches smaller than say an American and thats why we see more Americans in sports than chinese, even sports not native to them like soccer.


    ..so do you think theres a genetic basis to Irish preferences for jobs with the police, fire service construction industry and army?


  • #93
    gosplan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,828 ✭✭✭gosplan


    gallag wrote: »
    Has it occurred to people that their opinion is shaped on experience? You dont stop at a red light in S.A unless nesacary and bars on house windows is common due to the prolific crime levels and unfortunately these crimes have a disproportionate representation from the black community. Remember these people have been conditioned from a young age to be wary of black people so I dont think it is a standard hate racism, more a result of experience. If the same people grew up in an afulant area in America surround by a large black community comprising of doctors, bankers etc they could have a different outlook, afterall there has to be a reason so many white s Africans dislike blacks?

    its the same as most irish people not liking gypsies, it does not make them bad people for holding an opinion shaped by experience.

    Bollocks to that. Any grown adult is capable of understanding the reality. Social class determines things such as crime rate, not ethnicity. Anyone that thinks or acts otherwise is stupid.


  • #94
    3ndahalfof6
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,184 ✭✭✭3ndahalfof6


    I do not believe this could be true, everyone loves Raymond.


  • #95
    LiamoSail
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,294 ✭✭✭LiamoSail


    Nodin wrote: »
    Jaysus, you're right. There isn't even a hawaiian in any of the top sides in the GAA. They must just be crap at it. And Irish people are obviously genetically unsuited for Ice Hockey or beach volleyball.

    I certainly think Latino women are genetically better suited to beach volleyball then irish women


  • #96
    jugger0
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,453 ✭✭✭jugger0


    Nodin wrote: »
    Jaysus, you're right. There isn't even a hawaiian in any of the top sides in the GAA. They must just be crap at it. And Irish people are obviously genetically unsuited for Ice Hockey or beach volleyball.

    Samoans are 40 to 56 times more likely to make it in the NFL then non Samoan Americans, dont you find that strange? why could that be? Genetics.


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  • #97
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    jugger0 wrote: »
    Samoans are 40 to 56 times more likely to make it in the NFL then non Samoan Americans, dont you find that strange? why could that be? Genetics.


    ehhh...no?


  • #98
    Spunge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,779 ✭✭✭Spunge


    racism is natural, deal with it


  • #99
    LiamoSail
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,294 ✭✭✭LiamoSail


    gosplan wrote: »
    Bollocks to that. Any grown adult is capable of understanding the reality. Social class determines things such as crime rate, not ethnicity. Anyone that thinks or acts otherwise is stupid.

    That's true, but it doesn't contradict the post you quoted. In the case of South Africa, the lower social class are disproportionately of one ethnicity. The attitude people have, that the previous poster suggested was formed by experience and upbringing, is as a result of this disproportion

    If a disproportionate amount of crime is committed by one ethnicity over a long period of time, its easy to see why people will associate this ethnicity with crime.

    I'm not condoning it here, just pointing out reality


  • #100
    Baneblade
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 426 ✭✭Baneblade


    Nodin wrote: »
    And Irish people are obviously genetically unsuited for Ice Hockey or beach volleyball.

    well most of us would end up with 3rd degree sunburns before a beach vollyball game was over :D


  • #101
    Eramen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 776 ✭✭✭Eramen


    Nodin wrote: »
    ..so do you think theres a genetic basis to Irish preferences for jobs with the police, fire service construction industry and army?


    I suppose that you often wonder as well 'why does the Bekasi, Java police force also seem to have the same sort genetic preference towards Indonesians?'

    That's the real question.

    In each case, probably something to do with the myriad of cultural, familial and personal bonds that is the glue of nations and which permeate and enshrine their collective consciousness.

    Or we could just say 'Dey be racist' according to modern 'western' (non)thinking, if that would better suit you..


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  • #102
    hfallada
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,179 ✭✭✭hfallada


    Are your sure they werent Zimbabwean? They sound similar. My white geography had to flee his family tobacco friend as hundreds of black came to his family farm giving them 24 hours to live otherwise they would be killed. So a disliking black people more than just about the colour of their skin. L


  • #103
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Eramen wrote: »
    I suppose that (.....) suit you..

    You know I think your notions on this are a bit nutty...?


  • #104
    gallag
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,352 ✭✭✭gallag


    gosplan wrote: »
    Bollocks to that. Any grown adult is capable of understanding the reality. Social class determines things such as crime rate, not ethnicity. Anyone that thinks or acts otherwise is stupid.

    If ethnicity can determine how athletic or intelligent someone is or how well their body can deal with processing insulin or how their muscle fibers will develop why can it not also determine different behaviour patterns?


  • #105
    Jimmy_Zed
    Site Banned Posts: 5 ✭Jimmy_Zed


    Eramen wrote: »
    I think we both know the answer to that. We're dealing with people who have been told their whole lives, in school, on tv, by govt officials that 'all people are the same' or 'we are all equal'. They believe this without questioning. The equality cult is much the same as a bad religion. If you question their mere opinions even remotely it is classed as heresy and it's weaknesses covered-up with name-calling.

    Thing is only well-fed, better-off white people seem to have contracted the disease of the utopianist mindset, nobody else the world over has really taken to this absurd, ignorant and unscientific opinion that "everyone is equal".

    They'd laugh in your face if you suggested it.

    Of course it's taboo to say that anti-racism is probably the worst form of racism, because it alludes to trying to achieve a 'raceless' society. Yet in doing so it nullifies cultural and personal identities of diverse and individual people in favor of a monoculture of globalisation - where things like family, roots, sex, tradition, language, customs are trodden on and stripped of their value. All in pursuit of a foolish dream that denies & is woefully ignorant of human nature.

    You need to post on these type of threads more often Eramen.


  • #106
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    gallag wrote: »
    If ethnicity can determine how athletic or intelligent someone is or how well their body can deal with processing insulin or how their muscle fibers will develop why can it not also determine different behaviour patterns?


    You seem to have missed this....
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=84676718&postcount=92
    If you'd be as good as to get back to me....


  • #107
    gosplan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,828 ✭✭✭gosplan


    gallag wrote: »
    If ethnicity can determine how athletic or intelligent someone is or how well their body can deal with processing insulin or how their muscle fibers will develop why can it not also determine different behaviour patterns?

    Nice.


  • #108
    Seaneh
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 18,300 ✭✭✭✭Seaneh


    gallag wrote: »
    If ethnicity can determine how athletic or intelligent someone is or how well their body can deal with processing insulin or how their muscle fibers will develop why can it not also determine different behaviour patterns?

    Wow.

    Just.

    Wow.


  • #109
    wandatowell
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,433 ✭✭✭wandatowell


    Aren't Blacks considered the scourge of South Africa?

    I've two south african mates and they hate 'em so much its crazy


  • #110
    gallag
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,352 ✭✭✭gallag


    Nodin wrote: »
    You seem to have missed this....
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=84676718&postcount=92
    If you'd be as good as to get back to me....

    It was not really worth gettin back to, Another poster replied to which I agreed with him/her and thanked his/her post. What was your point again? Apart from our differences we are all the same?

    Also, do you not find this whole " you missed my point , REPLY TO ME" a bit needy? For future reference if someone does not reply to your post mabey there was not enough substance to motivate the person to reply.


  • #111
    Legs.Eleven
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,987 ✭✭✭Legs.Eleven


    gosplan wrote: »
    Nice.
    Seaneh wrote: »
    Wow.

    Just.

    Wow.

    That's all you can say, really. I wouldn't even bother my arse with comments like that.


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  • #112
    Sir Gallagher
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,836 ✭✭✭Sir Gallagher


    The Backwards Man wrote: »
    South African and Nigerian aren't races though, they are nationalities.

    I hate when people use this argument as if it makes it ok to generalise a group of people just because it's not racism by definition.

    It's that type of thinking which means things like the famine, penal laws and even the humble "paddy irishman" joke get brushed under the carpet.


  • #113
    Latchy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 21,191 ✭✭✭✭Latchy


    wandatowell wrote: »
    Aren't Blacks considered the scourge of South Africa?

    I've two south african mates and they hate 'em so much its crazy
    Which is a hell of a different place to Ireland so they are going on their own expierences .


    LiamoSail wrote: »
    While I don't condone racism, its very easy for us here in ireland to criticise such a mentality without having an appreciation for how things are at the moment over in South Africa, and indeed the likes of Zimbabwe. Relative to South Africa, we have zero experience of racism or racial divides in this country, so we can't relate

    Again, I'm not condoning the mentality, however people need to understand that South Africa is a dangerous place, and its very easy to see how these attitudes are nurtured among the middle class, in otherwise decent, rational people


    Liamosails post above puts it in context for me .


  • #114
    Syllabus.
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 15 ✭Syllabus.


    Femme_Fatale wrote: »
    There are differences between races and nationalities - that's a fact; we're not all the same in many senses. But at the very basic level, we are just humans who generally experience the same emotions, hopes and fears. While it's fair enough to refer to broad trends, it's not fair to apply them to individuals.

    No you're not. Black people always refer to themselves as black. :confused:

    they also refer to themselves as N---ers - so I can too,no?


    it depends on what happens to be considered fashionable at that time

    used to be 'coloured' when I was young


  • #115
    Death and Taxes
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,775 ✭✭✭Death and Taxes


    Spunge wrote: »
    racism is natural, deal with it

    Yeah, about as natural Nylon!


  • #116
    The Backwards Man
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,299 ✭✭✭✭The Backwards Man


    Sir Gallagher wrote: »
    I hate when people use this argument as if it makes it ok to generalise a group of people just because it's not racism by definition.

    It's that type of thinking which means things like the famine, penal laws and even the humble "paddy irishman" joke get brushed under the carpet.
    It's not really though. It's the type of thinking that leads to generalisations in the first place that is the problem.

    I made a tongue in cheek comment about white South Africans and was accused of having a dig at Afrikaners. Not all white South Africans are Afrikaners, the same as not all Irish people are white, not all Kenyan people are black, and not all Iraqi people are Arab.

    Pardon the pun, but nothing is ever as black and white as some people try to make it.


  • #117
    fryup
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,067 ✭✭✭✭fryup


    classic sketch :D

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYPdcHD_qTg


  • #118
    the_syco
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,308 ✭✭✭✭the_syco


    C.ENGSTUDENT wrote: »
    Then the backpacker said "well I don't like em".
    Since 1994, about 4000 white farmers have been butchered in SA (6000 whites altogether), and it's not really a safe in some parts. A lot of white people can't just walk down the road, as it's pretty dangerous in some parts neighbourhoods. So although I won't condone their racism, I do understand why they feel that way.

    The SA government aren't helping the genocide of the white people, but they're doing sweet f**k all to stop it.

    Have a read through beeld.com


  • #119
    fryup
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,067 ✭✭✭✭fryup


    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

    payback

    (not that i condone it, just sayin)


  • #120
    woodoo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,219 ✭✭✭woodoo


    Eramen wrote: »
    I think we both know the answer to that. We're dealing with people who have been told their whole lives, in school, on tv, by govt officials that 'all people are the same' or 'we are all equal'. They believe this without questioning. The equality cult is much the same as a bad religion. If you question their mere opinions even remotely it is classed as heresy and it's weaknesses covered-up with name-calling.

    Thing is only well-fed, better-off white people seem to have contracted the disease of the utopianist mindset, nobody else the world over has really taken to this absurd, ignorant and unscientific opinion that "everyone is equal".

    They'd laugh in your face if you suggested it.

    Of course it's taboo to say that anti-racism is probably the worst form of racism, because it alludes to trying to achieve a 'raceless' society. Yet in doing so it nullifies cultural and personal identities of diverse and individual people in favor of a monoculture of globalisation - where things like family, roots, sex, tradition, language, customs are trodden on and stripped of their value. All in pursuit of a foolish dream that denies & is woefully ignorant of human nature.

    Its madness that we are offering Europe up as a test case for this new utopia. I think its very sad.


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  • #121
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    gallag wrote: »
    It was not really worth gettin back to, Another poster replied to which I agreed with him/her and thanked his/her post. What was your point again? Apart from our differences we are all the same?

    Also, do you not find this whole " you missed my point , REPLY TO ME" a bit needy? For future reference if someone does not reply to your post mabey there was not enough substance to motivate the person to reply.

    Generally, I find that if somebody dodges a question, it means they know exactly what the answer is, sees how it shows the holes in their plot and don't want to admit it.

    The truth is that if somebody did say there was some genetic basis for Irish cops, firemen, builders, soldiers and dodgy politicians, they'd be laughed at. It's a cultural thing. Yet here you are with some pseudo scientific blather about blacks....


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