Another "Freeman on the Land" Conspiracy Loon gets locked up for contempt of court

Biggins · 15-05-2013 10:58PM

MadsL wrote: »

You don't have such a notice on your door, I wonder why you would join an organisation that advocates such tactics?

I'm NOT a member of the People's forum for economic justice.

THATS AN ABSOLUTE BLATANT LIE AND I WILL TAKE ANYONE TO COURT THAT SAYS SO!

I am formally asking for a retraction on that accusation!

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oppenheimer1 · 15-05-2013 11:00PM

Biggins wrote: »

I'm NOT a member of the People's economic forum.

THATS AN ABSOLUTE BLATANT LIE AND I WILL TAKE ANYONE TO COURT THAT SAYS SO!

I am formally asking for a retraction on that accusation!

This thread is hilarious :pac:

MadsL · 15-05-2013 11:00PM

Biggins wrote: »

I'm NOT a member of the People's economic forum.

THATS AN ABSOLUTE BLATANT LIE AND I WILL TAKE ANYONE TO COURT THAT SAYS SO!

I am formally asking for a retraction on that accusation!

Oh, it was the link on the DDI website to that organisation founded by Ben Gilroy that confused me.

http://directdemocracyireland.ie/forums/topic/a-question-about-direct-democracy/

In deference to K-9s decision I'll retract and bow out of DDI discussion.

Biggins · 15-05-2013 11:01PM

oppenheimer1 wrote: »

This thread is hilarious :pac:

Now also slanderous.

Sergeant · 15-05-2013 11:01PM

Biggins wrote: »

I'm NOT a member of the People's forum for economic justice.

THATS AN ABSOLUTE BLATANT LIE AND I WILL TAKE ANYONE TO COURT THAT SAYS SO!

I am formally asking for a retraction on that accusation!

They'll just decide to not recognise the authority of the court.

endacl · 15-05-2013 11:02PM

Biggins wrote: »

Now also slanderous.

How can it be slanderous? You're anonymous?
:rolleyes:

MadsL · 15-05-2013 11:03PM

Are you on your oath Biggins?

hooradiation · 15-05-2013 11:04PM

Biggins wrote: »

Now also slanderous.

Cry it out, Susan.

blatantrereg · 15-05-2013 11:04PM

Direct democracy is the form of government in Switzerland as I recall. Switzerland has a very high standard of living.
Freemanism is mystical nonsense.

endacl · 15-05-2013 11:05PM

MadsL wrote: »

Are you on your oath Biggins?

Another two, and your post count becomes a palindrome.

Off topic, I know...

Biggins · 15-05-2013 11:05PM

Sergeant wrote: »

They'll just decide to not recognise the authority of the court.

I've no idea what that OTHER organisation does or what their ideology is so cannot comment.
Anything I could add about them would be pure 100% guessing.

Biggins · 15-05-2013 11:05PM

blatantrereg wrote: »

Direct democracy is the form of government in Switzerland as I recall. Switzerland has a very high standard of living.
Freemanism is mystical nonsense.

No argument there!

Biggins · 15-05-2013 11:06PM

MadsL wrote: »

Are you on your oath Biggins?

?

Biggins · 15-05-2013 11:07PM

endacl wrote: »

How can it be slanderous? You're anonymous?
:rolleyes:

Seriously?
There is many out there that know me, know who I am and if not, its easy found.
All we have stated here now is public record.

MadsL · 15-05-2013 11:08PM

Biggins wrote: »

Seriously?
There is many out there that know me, know who I am and if not, its easy found.
All we have stated here now is public record.

I have no idea who you are. For the record.

MadsL · 15-05-2013 11:10PM

Biggins wrote: »

I've no idea what that OTHER organisation does or what their ideology is so cannot comment.
Anything I could add about them would be pure 100% guessing.

Or you could follow the links with logo helpfully provided by DDI to the site.

hooradiation · 15-05-2013 11:12PM

blatantrereg wrote: »

Direct democracy is the form of government in Switzerland as I recall. Switzerland has a very high standard of living.
Freemanism is mystical nonsense.

It's also how the state of California is run and it currently has a debt of $265 billion, basically direct democracy is mob rule in the truest sense, and a shitty idea in general.

The fact that DDI et al hide behind simplistic "MOAR DEMOCRACY FOR THE PPL, Y DON'T YOU LIEK DEMOCRACY?" rhetoric as opposed to demonstrating how things might be improved under their proposed system alludes to that.
It's hard to argue the merits of an idea that has none.

Iwasfrozen · 15-05-2013 11:17PM

Biggins wrote: »

Seriously?
There is many out there that know me, know who I am and if not, its easy found.
All we have stated here now is public record.

Easily found? You sure about that? Unless your real name is Biggins no one has a clue who you are.

Biggins · 15-05-2013 11:20PM

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Easily found? You sure about that?

Very sure.
Its been done already.
Not that I really mind - I only got concerned previously at one stage when my family was put at risk.
(That was soon sorted though. No trouble. No hassle.)

oppenheimer1 · 15-05-2013 11:21PM

Just after having a look through the DDI forum they have on their web page. Some of this stuff makes Boards.ie's conspiracy theories forum seem rational.

Howcan they expect to be taken seriously when these loons are involved with it? If anything DDI will do more to kill off the idea of a Direct Democracy System in Ireland.

whippet · 15-05-2013 11:27PM

It's a pity Ben Gilroy didn't get elected ... He Ben 'I'm not a freeman' Gilroy and Gerry 'I've never been in the IRA' Adams would give Ming and Mick a run for their money as a comedy duo in the Dail !!

Biggins · 15-05-2013 11:28PM

At the end of the day, I can only state what I know.

Mr Gilroy has NEVER gone on about any Freeman stuff to me or within my earshot at any time.
He has never stated this stuff to others that I have talked to - and they have had no reason to lie to me to either. They are close friends.

If any person wants to think along some lines that might occasionally run in parallel with some wacky group out there - so be it.
Freedom of thought and all that stuff...
As it stands there is no Freeman ideology in the DDI that I have ever witnessed and as more detail on economic polices will be emerging shortly, folks will indeed see this for themselves.
They might disagree with aspect of what will be coming soom - they might agree - but there will be none of this Freeman stuff that is going seriously across some (for want of a better word) "wacky" forms out there.

As I have honestly stated HERE:

I wouldn’t know a “Freeman” or recognise what one is if one came up and slapped me in the face with a wet fish! I have not met one as far as I know and as far as I know, even if I did, would not mind! All have the right think and believe as they wish too!

Biggins · 15-05-2013 11:31PM

oppenheimer1 wrote: »

Just after having a look through the DDI forum they have on their web page. Some of this stuff makes Boards.ie's conspiracy theories forum seem rational.

Howcan they expect to be taken seriously when these loons are involved with it? If anything DDI will do more to kill off the idea of a Direct Democracy System in Ireland.

Those 'loons' as you put it are not necessary members - just like yourself, people speaking out - as is still their right of free expression within the limits of current Irish law.

I might not agree with them, a lot of the time I sure don't - but they do too have the equal right to speak.
...But because they speak on a forum, does not make them automatic members of DDI!

oppenheimer1 · 15-05-2013 11:31PM

Biggins wrote: »

At the end of the day, I can only state what I know.

Mr Gilroy has NEVER gone on about any Freeman stuff to me or within my earshot at any time.
He has never stated this stuff to others that I have talked to - and they have had no reason to lie to me to either. They are close friends.

If any person wants to think along some lines that might occasionally run in parallel with some wacky group out there - so be it.
Freedom of thought and all that stuff...
As it stands there is no Freeman ideology in the DDI that I have ever witnessed and as more detail on economic polices will be emerging shortly, folks will indeed see this for themselves.
They might disagree with aspect of what will be coming soom - they might agree - but there will be none of this Freeman stuff that is going seriously across some (for want of a better word) "wacky" forms out there.

As I have honestly stated HERE:

You don't know the backgrounds of your close friends?? And all of this stuff widely known and freely available?

Biggins · 15-05-2013 11:34PM

oppenheimer1 wrote: »

You don't know the backgrounds of your close friends?? And all of this stuff widely known and freely available?

I know a great deal of the background of some of my friends (as I'm sure we all do) - but also as good friends, I respect their right to privacy and don't go digging into matters that don't concern me.
Sorry if that irks you!

If they wish to inform me about something - happy days!
if they don't? Its none of my business generally.

endacl · 15-05-2013 11:37PM

Biggins wrote: »

There is many out there that know me, know who I am and if not, its easy found.

Who'd be bothered?!?

CT's is the spot for 'tracking people down'. This is an after hours thread. People are just passing time...

Yitzhak Rabin · 15-05-2013 11:37PM

Biggins wrote: »

I know a great deal of the background of some of my friend - but also as good friends, I respect their right to privacy and don't go digging into matters that don't concern me.
Sorry if that irks you!

If they wish to inform me about something - happy days!
if they don't? Its none of my business generally.

I wouldn't lend my support to and vouch for someone without checking out their background first. Calling themselves Ben of the ancient clan Giolla Rua would send alarm bells ringing in my head.

hooradiation · 15-05-2013 11:39PM

Biggins wrote: »

I know a great deal of the background of some of my friends (as I'm sure we all do) - but also as good friends, I respect their right to privacy and don't go digging into matters that don't concern me.
Sorry if that irks you!

If they wish to inform me about something - happy days!
if they don't? Its none of my business generally.

And when other people inform you of information you don't want to hear, you'll squirm, try to weasel your way out, blame everyone else for having the audacity to know better than you and then finally just deny over and over.
Happy days indeed.

For someone who claims to despise politicians you're very good at using the tricks of their trade when it suits.

oppenheimer1 · 15-05-2013 11:41PM

Biggins wrote: »

I know a great deal of the background of some of my friends (as I'm sure we all do) - but also as good friends, I respect their right to privacy and don't go digging into matters that don't concern me.
Sorry if that irks you!

If they wish to inform me about something - happy days!
if they don't? Its none of my business generally.

That's a huge leap of faith to make, throwing your weight behind someone without knowing what they stand for.

I certainly wouldn't do it.

Biggins · 15-05-2013 11:42PM

Yitzhak Rabin wrote: »

I wouldn't lend my support to and vouch for someone without checking out their background first. Calling themselves Ben of the ancient clan Giolla Rua would send alarm bells ringing in my head.

Well thats you - and fair enough.
I'm lending my support to an organisation, an idea that "Direct Democracy" is possible better way to hold TD's more accountable and a better way for the Irish people to start no longer being afraid of the government - but that the government should be instead, afraid of the people!
End of story.

What one person might think to himself in his own time and keep outside the organisation completely so far, is none of my business until I see it interjecting in the running of a said organisation.
Till then - it should be generally none of my business.

Another "Freeman on the Land" Conspiracy Loon gets locked up for contempt of court

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