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Bus Eireann strike - services have resumed (Read first post)

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  • #392
    tayto lover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 55,066 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Happyman42 wrote: »
    The government could control the fares, they control the price of cigarettes and they are private companies, why not fares?
    Our local private service has never stuck the arm in despite having a monopoly. Private companies don't tend to kill laying hens, if they did they wouldn't last.

    My local company raised their return Dundalk/ Dublin fares from 9 euro to 12 euro and now 14 euro when BE cut their services. Of course they put it down to fuel price rises.


  • #393
    Hilly Bill
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,051 ✭✭✭Hilly Bill


    Jamie2k9 wrote: »
    Either do I, if Irish Rail staff want to keep there current wages and not be subject to such cuts as BE staff are then they will stay working as IE position was worse last year and something like this won't help it and staff know this. But then if all CIE operators want job cuts then why not walk off. It will be one way of getting the numbers employed down.

    There will be jobs cuts at BE over this and employees and the NBRU need to wake up and unerstand it.

    They already accepted worse cuts when it was put to them last year. No expenses, no overtime payments, Sunday part of the working week just to name a few.


  • #394
    miller50841
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,525 ✭✭✭miller50841


    If they were to accept more cut's whats to stop management enforcing more in a few months or a year down the road.


  • #395
    BenShermin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 701 ✭✭✭BenShermin


    KCAccidental wrote: »
    from what I have seen, which is from pictures only. GoBE were using Bus Eireann stops on Merchant's Quay to collect passengers. I think the fact that a BE marked stop is being used is where the problem stems from rather than roaming gangs of Bus Drivers.

    Ive seen the online pictures on Merchant's Quay. However, on the RTÉ news the bus was illigally blocked nowhere near a BÉ stop by a gang of drivers, it definitely looked like the Bridge Street/McCurtain street area.

    Regardless, the carry on in Cork today was irresponsible and downright thuggish. Why did they have to act like that, after all the Dublin picket is allowing Ulsterbus to operate.


  • #396
    Peppa Pig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,670 ✭✭✭Peppa Pig


    Does anyone know why the services in Donegal appear to be running? Is it a separate union or something?


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  • #397
    foggy_lad
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,373 ✭✭✭✭foggy_lad


    miller50841 wrote: »
    If they were to accept more cut's whats to stop management enforcing more in a few months or a year down the road.
    A Labour Court recommendation like the one that the union ignored/rejected to allow this strike to go ahead. Although the company might ignore any recommendation not in their favour next time around.


  • #398
    foggy_lad
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,373 ✭✭✭✭foggy_lad


    Peppa Pig wrote: »
    Does anyone know why the services in Donegal appear to be running? Is it a separate union or something?
    Only some services are running, those which are operated exclusively by McGeehans Coaches between Dublin-Donegal and Dungloe Killybegs, Glencolumbkille and west Donegal as well as their services from Letterkenny to west Donegal.


  • #399
    LeftBlank
    Closed Accounts Posts: 504 ✭✭✭LeftBlank


    Happyman42 wrote: »
    The government could control the fares, they control the price of cigarettes and they are private companies, why not fares?
    Our local private service has never stuck the arm in despite having a monopoly. Private companies don't tend to kill laying hens, if they did they wouldn't last.

    The government don't control the cost of cigarettes. They do put a lot of tax/excise on them but they don't control the price.


  • #400
    P_1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,681 ✭✭✭✭P_1


    BenShermin wrote: »
    Ive seen the online pictures on Merchant's Quay. However, on the RTÉ news the bus was illigally blocked nowhere near a BÉ stop by a gang of drivers, it definitely looked like the Bridge Street/McCurtain street area.

    Regardless, the carry on in Cork today was irresponsible and downright thuggish. Why did they have to act like that, after all the Dublin picket is allowing Ulsterbus to operate.

    Things like that would turn the public against the strikers very quickly. A lot of people are not used to industrial action impacting on their day to day lives and I'd imagine a prolonged period of industrial action could turn out rather badly for the NBRU


  • #401
    Happyman42
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,066 ✭✭✭✭Happyman42


    tayto lover wrote: »
    My local company raised their return Dundalk/ Dublin fares from 9 euro to 12 euro and now 14 euro when BE cut their services. Of course they put it down to fuel price rises.

    BE never winced when they wanted to raise fares. Fuel prices have risen and 14 euros Dundalk/Dublin return doesn't seem extortinate to me.


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  • #402
    L1011
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,790 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Wexford Bus are accepting full payments in advance for what will only get you third priority of getting on their services going on their list. Something seriously dodgy if people who have paid in full for a specific service get turned away, however if they can cope with the demand going forward it'll do huge huge damage to BE on that route. Particularly as Wexford Bus were already cheaper.


  • #403
    tayto lover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 55,066 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Happyman42 wrote: »
    BE never winced when they wanted to raise fares. Fuel prices have risen and 14 euros Dundalk/Dublin return doesn't seem extortinate to me.

    Yes 14 euro is not bad but it'll bit like the Local Property Tax. It'll be doubled before we know it.


  • #404
    Happyman42
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,066 ✭✭✭✭Happyman42


    tayto lover wrote: »
    Yes 14 euro is not bad but it'll bit like the Local Property Tax. It'll be doubled before we know it.

    Doubt it, there is only so much the marrket can take.


  • #405
    Sierra Oscar
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 8,728 CMod ✭✭✭✭Sierra Oscar


    Strike suspended for 48 hours while negotiations take place.


  • #406
    Peppa Pig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,670 ✭✭✭Peppa Pig


    Sierra Oscar wrote: »
    Strike suspended for 48 hours while negotiations take place.
    Very sensible


  • #407
    Patser
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,390 ✭✭✭Patser


    Sierra Oscar wrote: »
    Strike suspended for 48 hours while negotiations take place.

    Wish is driver's knew this as quickly.

    Is there a source, not doubting you but with some lads due a 5 am start this is late notice.


  • #408
    Sierra Oscar
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 8,728 CMod ✭✭✭✭Sierra Oscar


    Patser wrote: »
    Wish is driver's knew this as quickly.

    Is there a source, not doubting you but with some lads due a 5 am start this is late notice.

    It is being reported on RTE now.

    https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/334068731812651009
    Bus Éireann services will operate tomorrow after management and unions agreed to "pull back" for 48 hours


  • #409
    Problem123456
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 290 ✭✭Problem123456


    Good news :)
    Lets hope they don't go back on strike after 48 hours


  • #410
    Hilly Bill
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,051 ✭✭✭Hilly Bill


    Patser wrote: »
    Wish is driver's knew this as quickly.

    Is there a source, not doubting you but with some lads due a 5 am start this is late notice.

    Its not as if he has been in work till 10 tonight is it. He's had the day off so should be ready to go.


  • #411
    end of the road
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,583 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    Stinicker wrote: »
    Striking workers should be told to report to work tomorrow morning or they will have their employment terminated with immediate effect.
    good idea, then we can tripple your tax to pay for their wellfare.
    Stinicker wrote: »
    Earning in excess of €800 a week to drive a bus is a sick joke
    no it isn't, with the Responsibility of up to 50 people's lives in your hands its worth such a wage
    Stinicker wrote: »
    I'd gladly drive buses for half that
    not of the standard required i'm afraid, otherwise known as, wouldn't be good enough, and i wouldn't want someone with such attitude driving any bus i use
    Stinicker wrote: »
    so would plenty of the other half a million people on the dole.
    they wouldn't last a day many of them, many are also unemployable to
    Stinicker wrote: »
    The Government should start the privatization of Bus Eireann immediately after this
    just because they have the balls to strike and you can't? life isn't fair so deal with it, their entitled to strike and striking they are, theirs enough private companies in ireland so no need for privatisation of Bus Eireann, ireland must have at all costs a state run transport system to complament the private services, some private operators wouldn't wish to have anything to do with some of the routes run by Bus Eireann
    Stinicker wrote: »
    their fares are far too high to begin with
    yes, but what are you doing about it? nothing
    Stinicker wrote: »
    with their drivers earning nearly a grand a week
    jealous aren't we, most are worth every penny
    Stinicker wrote: »
    there is plenty space for a private company
    their are a number of them in the country, leave them do what their doing
    Stinicker wrote: »
    cut the fat
    not much fat to be had in Bus Eireann these days, unless you mean the amount of management? can easily be done without privatisation
    Stinicker wrote: »
    lower fares
    that can be easily done by employing good management in Bus Eireann
    Stinicker wrote: »
    offer a competitive choice.
    all ready exists on many routes, the routes it doesn't, is because probably no other operator is interested.
    Stinicker wrote: »
    It is meant to be a public transport service
    it is, its not perfect but it is better then nothing which if you get your way and its privatised their are a number of routes which will go even though they have a social roll to play.
    Stinicker wrote: »
    not an old boys club like it currently exists.
    grow up

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



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  • #412
    cdebru
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,761 ✭✭✭cdebru


    Hilly Bill wrote: »
    Its not as if he has been in work till 10 tonight is it. He's had the day off so should be ready to go.

    I believe he means some people may already have gone to bed, or may not read the rte website so they would be unaware that the dispute is suspended.


    This is all a farce BE drivers should not be on strike the company has no legal right to alter a contract without agreement. You guys have just been softened up to accept a deal after losing 2 days pay.

    Expect a slightly modified deal with a small management wage cut.

    Ask your union why they did not defend your rights when the company breached your contract, there is also the payment of wages act 1991 they can not make deductions from your wages.

    If i was you i would be questioning what the hell your unions have been at.


  • #413
    Patser
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,390 ✭✭✭Patser


    Hilly Bill wrote: »
    Its not as if he has been in work till 10 tonight is it. He's had the day off so should be ready to go.

    Because he should be checking boards or RTE Twitter 5 hours before he'd have to get up to go to work? That's after a day on picket duty not sitting beside a pool.


  • #414
    end of the road
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,583 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    Stinicker wrote: »
    How dare the unions hold the traveling public to ransom when they earn so much as it is
    a load of claptrap, you can well get around if you can be bothered, nobody holding anyone to ransom, best thing is theirs hell all you can do about the strikers, and you really need to get over the fact they get more then you, begrudgery isn't a nice quality to have
    Stinicker wrote: »
    Management should bring in drivers from the UK and Eastern Europe to drive the buses at lower costs if the Irish drivers are unwilling to get real with the wage levels.
    and we should double the driving time each day for each driver and cut training and maintenance to, then we should tripple your taxes to pay for the jobless irish drivers.
    Stinicker wrote: »
    It is the exact same situation as the Taxi drivers before.
    taxi drivers have nothing to do with anything here

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • #415
    Lapin
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 18,184 ✭✭✭✭Lapin


    BenShermin wrote: »
    Ive seen the online pictures on Merchant's Quay. However, on the RTÉ news the bus was illigally blocked nowhere near a BÉ stop by a gang of drivers, it definitely looked like the Bridge Street/McCurtain street area.

    Regardless, the carry on in Cork today was irresponsible and downright thuggish. Why did they have to act like that, after all the Dublin picket is allowing Ulsterbus to operate.

    Any sympathy I had for the plight of the drivers in this dispute went out the window as soon as I saw that clip on the news earlier.


  • #416
    Vic_08
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,111 ✭✭✭Vic_08


    Hilly Bill wrote: »
    Its not as if he has been in work till 10 tonight is it. He's had the day off so should be ready to go.

    It's likely a fair number of drivers (and other staff) on early duties will not find out about the resumption in time. Not everyone would still be up after 11 reading rte.ie. Also with other grades also out I doubt a full roster is in place for tomorrow, this would normally be compiled by lunchtime the previous day.

    We will all be back in as soon as possible but passengers should expect that not everything will run as normal particularly early AM.


  • #417
    bk
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 23,571 Mod ✭✭✭✭bk


    Shocking and disgraceful action there is the news piece about GoBE.

    Those drivers in the video should be identified and they should face disciplinary action (i.e. be fired).

    The Gardai should have been called and these gents removed from the public road and arrested if they didn't comply.

    Forcing a private bus to stop and forcing passengers off the bus, is despicable. I've now lost any sympathy I had for them.

    Glad to hear that calm heads have prevailed and that the strike has been temporarily called off and they are talking again.


  • #418
    Victor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,786 ✭✭✭✭Victor


    Expect some disruption in the morning as services return to normal.

    http://www.buseireann.ie/news.php?id=1298&month=May
    Resumption of Bus Éireann services

    Bus Éireann would like to advise customers that the industrial action is suspended for 48 hours. Bus Éireann will seek to operate as many services as possible from the morning of Tuesday the 14th of May 2013. Customers are advised to check www.buseireann.ie from 06:30am and national and local media for latest updates on the operation of services.

    Monday, 13th May, 2013


  • #419
    foggy_lad
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,373 ✭✭✭✭foggy_lad


    end of the road wrote: »
    no it isn't, with the Responsibility of up to 50 people's lives in your hands its worth such a wage
    drivers working for private companies seem to manage just fine under such stress without the extra pay and perks
    it is, its not perfect but it is better then nothing which if you get your way and its privatised their are a number of routes which will go even though they have a social roll to play.
    Such routes would surely be subsidised in the same way that bus éireann services are subsidised only with private companies the drivers wages would be less?


  • #420
    Sierra Oscar
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 8,728 CMod ✭✭✭✭Sierra Oscar


    bk wrote: »
    The Gardai should have been called and these gents removed from the public road and arrested if they didn't comply.

    The Gardai were called, and left soon after while allowing the action continue.


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  • #421
    BenShermin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 701 ✭✭✭BenShermin


    I've lost any sympathy I've had with the BÉ drivers myself.

    I use BÉ services every time I'm in Cork, I certainly wouldn't like one of the drivers pictured on today's news being behind the wheel of a bus that I have to use. The drivers will tell you that they're responsible for the safety of tens of passengers when they're driving, yet none of the drivers involved in today's disgusting behaviour thought about road safety did they??


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