Does anyone feel insulted by the abortion proposals?

GalwayGuy2 wrote: »

I wasn't defending those viewpoints, I was musing aloud why people may vote no to abortion on demand.

FouxDaFaFa wrote: »

That piece by Olivia O'Leary is great. Scathing but necessary. Creighton's response is disappointing. Very much a "no, everything's fine" wishy-washy response.

She thinks it's a "tolerant" society.

Yes. So tolerant that we tolerate the unnecessary death of a woman because of a technicality.

So tolerant that we tolerate women having no say in whether they continue a pregnancy or not.

So tolerant that we tolerate women being told that their baby will not be born alive. Tolerating them going home and waiting for that baby to die, all the while receiving congratulations on their bump from unknowing strangers. As one woman this happened to described it, a "human coffin".

Ireland is a great country but it is also barbaric.

Dear Ms. Creighton,

As a non-national resident of Ireland, I do, as you recommend, reflect on the privilege I enjoy every day in this country, particularly as an educated caucasian woman with a loving husband. But when you use that collective "we," you assume that every woman in Ireland is like you. A short walk around Dublin will prove otherwise. Women in poverty, migrant women, asylum seekers, women in abusive relationships being controlled by their partners, and women too ill to travel live here too. Is it not the duty of us privileged people to ensure that they have the same access to their rights as we do?

You mention that we live in a "free" society here in Ireland while simultaneously trying to argue that women shouldn't be allowed to have bodily autonomy, which in my opinion is the most basic human right there is.

Furthermore, I am disappointed that you felt the need to claim you have "no respect" for the "hysterical" opinions of Olivia O'Leary in such a public manner, claiming her arguments are not rational. These are the exact ways in which patriarchy has been characterising women's opinions as invalid for centuries. To accuse another woman of hysteria rings of self-hatred and serves to give the world permission to dismiss vocal women, including yourself. How can you "respect the right of everyone to speak freely and honestly" immediately after you've just said you have no respect for someone else's honest opinion?

I myself have been trying to conceive a child for nearly two years. However, I would never allow my experiences with infertility colour my views on how other women view their pregnancies. Your implication that because some women can't become pregnant, women who are pregnant need to carry those pregnancies to term is slightly outrageous, particularly since adoption laws in Ireland are so restrictive. If a disabled person can't run, she doesn't demand that all able people should take up running.

But perhaps the most alarming statements in your blog are about late term abortions. You and I both know that the overwhelming number abortions happen in very early stages. I believe your misleading comment comparing late term abortions to premature births was meant to whip up people's emotions. I suppose that's what politicians do. But it doesn't reflect the rationality you claim to own. We're supposed to be talking about the current proposed bill, which is supposed to put into place measures to save a pregnant woman's life. Conjuring up images of baby killing helps no one. It only makes you look like you don't understand the issues. Have you even bothered to read the Heads of Bill?

Women should be guaranteed effective acces to their right to termination when there is a risk to their lives. Suicide is a real risk to a person's life. I don't know if you have ever suffered from mental health issues, or if you have ever known someone who has committed suicide, but I do, and I feel strongly that a suicidal woman would not survive the scrutiny outlined in this proposed Bill. If a woman, to avoid this exploitive evaluation process, doesn't have the "privilege" of traveling for an abortion, she effectively hasn't been guaranteed her right.

Furthermore, criminalising women who self-induce abortions is unacceptable because it would result in women in medical crisis being afraid of seeking medical attention for fear of prison time. Did you know that the average prison sentence for a rapist is 5 years? A woman who is impregnated by her rapist who takes the abortion pill (which, by the way, can only be taken in the earliest stages of pregnancy) could spend more than twice the time in jail as her rapist. So instead of "protecting life," the Bill puts the health and lives of women who have self-induced abortions dangerously at risk.

We all get the privilege you feel, Ms. Creighton. You have shouted it from the rooftops. But to claim that Ireland is serving all its population to the best of its ability is frankly a false claim and makes you sound like you don't recognise others' experiences of living here which are vastly different to your own. I wonder, how can you be a representative of the people if you don't even acknowledge their realities?

Sincerely,
Angela Coraccio
Dublin

EUROPEAN Affairs Minister Lucinda Creighton is now indicating she will now vote for the abortion legislation when it comes before the Dail.

Ms Creighton is the most senior Fine Gael figure in the Dail to have difficulties with the proposed abortion legislation and one of a number of TDs who party bosses feared could vote against it and lose the whip.

But speaking in Dublin today she said she is “very hopeful” she will be able to support the bill.

“It’s a long way until this legislation will be finalised and we have to go through the process with the committee,” Ms Creighton said.

“Obviously a number of ministers have made it clear there would be a willingness to look at amendments to the legislation so it’s a long way to go and I’m not going to predict or pre-empt the outcome of the process but I am very hopeful that ultimately it will be a bill I can support.”

She also said Health Minister Dr James Reilly will take on board recommendations from the Oireachtas Health Committee, which begins its hearings on the heads of the abortion bill nextweek.

“We have a clear commitment from minster James Reilly that he will take non board the recommendations of the committee and concrete amendments that will be proposed. I take that in good faith.”

nowanathiest wrote: »

Well done, however it occurred to me recently, that with the proliferation of guerilla tactics being employed by pro-lifers, it's a possibility that the pro-lifers working in these offices may be tampering with emails and correspondence of the pro-choice constituents. How do we know that this is not happening?