Heterosexual Pride Day

somefeen · 09-05-2013 03:12PM

aloyisious wrote: »

Would people on a str8 pride parade have to do anything to define themselves as such, apart from placards and banners, like not dressing too metrosexual, avoid using scented shower gels etc on the day?

Well for they guys we can dress up as occupations typically associated with masculinity and heterosexuality. Like builders, policemen, sailors, cowboys, soldiers.

becost · 09-05-2013 03:53PM

kfk wrote: »

First off, I am in now way homophobic. I have wondered though what the reaction from the gay community would be if there was a heterosexual pride day where people marched on the streets and shouted their joy to be straight? If it ever happened, would those involved would be seen to be anti-gay. Again, I would like to stress that I am not homophobic. Would just like to hear opinions.

Homophobia is just another form of prejudice and everyone experiences some form of prejudice whether it be your accent, the way you dress, your race, your sexuality or whatever. I've never understood why some people are so concerned about being labeled homophobic. I'm a homophobe and proud! I think we should have a homophobe pride day.

I mean a few weeks ago on six in the city, there were a pair of homos slagging off culchies?? People with glasshouses shouldn't throw stones.

kfk · 09-05-2013 04:24PM

becost wrote: »

Homophobia is just another form of prejudice and everyone experiences some form of prejudice whether it be your accent, the way you dress, your race, your sexuality or whatever. I've never understood why some people are so concerned about being labeled homophobic. I'm a homophobe and proud! I think we should have a homophobe pride day. I mean a few weeks ago on six in the city, there were a pair of homos slagging off culchies?? People with glasshouses shouldn't throw stones.

I won't be throwing any stones. As a culchie, I feel I can relate to the struggles that the gay community has faced. I think the best way forward for any group is to educate and point out their mistakes rather than close doors. The past needs to be forgotten too. There is no way of changing it. Someday when all realise this, maybe everyone can live in harmony. Wishful thinking!

Nodin · 09-05-2013 04:34PM

kfk wrote: »

I won't be throwing any stones. As a culchie, I feel I can relate to the struggles that the gay community has faced. I think the best way forward for any group is to educate and point out their mistakes rather than close doors. The past needs to be forgotten too. There is no way of changing it. Someday when all realise this, maybe everyone can live in harmony. Wishful thinking!

Do please explain.

floggg · 09-05-2013 04:49PM

kunst nugget wrote: »

Em, not trying to be funny but I think you meant homogenous.

Quite right. All this talk of homo's and heterophobes got my confused.

And I had a half formed pun in my head about not being hetero anything!!

Crooked Jack · 09-05-2013 04:52PM

Links234 wrote: »

Why bother? you'd see worse on many a heavy metal t-shirt, but you're just seeming to feign outrage so you've a stick to beat the LGBT community with.

silly straight people :rolleyes:

Surely attitudes like this are part of the problem, you're indicating quite clearly here that gay people are something apart from or outside general society. Which is bullshit

Zillah · 09-05-2013 04:53PM

mango salsa wrote: »

They don't really - You seem to misunderstand free speech.

The right to freedom of expression, as per Article 10 (2) of the European Convention on Human Rights, "carries with it duties and responsibilities" and "may be subject to such formalities, conditions, restrictions or penalties as are prescribed by law and are necessary in a democratic society

The fact that the EU and I disagree on how well-protected free speech aught be does not mean that I misunderstand what it is.

Terry1985 · 09-05-2013 05:07PM

kfk wrote: »

As a culchie, I feel I can relate to the struggles that the gay community has faced.

Bestiality is a totally different thread.

kfk · 09-05-2013 05:11PM

Terry1985 wrote: »

Bestiality is a totally different thread.

That is an awful thing to say about homosexuals. I condemn your words!

kfk · 09-05-2013 05:12PM

Would there be support for a culchie pride day in Dublin, other than the one organised by the GAA? It is the only place in Ireland that will be neutral ground for all the culchies. We can park at the red cow and start the parade there.

Links234 · 09-05-2013 05:14PM

Crooked Jack wrote: »

Surely attitudes like this are part of the problem, you're indicating quite clearly here that gay people are something apart from or outside general society. Which is bullshit

I kinda feel like you've completely missed the point I was making with my posts

kfk · 09-05-2013 05:29PM

I see all the homosexuals have stopped talking to me now that they know I'm a culchie. Double standards!

1ZRed · 09-05-2013 05:32PM

kfk wrote: »

That is an awful thing to say about homosexuals. I condemn your words!

He meant that you're into beastiality because you're a culchie and because you likened being a culchie to being gay which he said was another issue for discussion. Caught up now?

Annasopra · 09-05-2013 05:35PM

Zillah wrote: »

The fact that the EU and I disagree on how well-protected free speech aught be does not mean that I misunderstand what it is.

It doesn't actually - Free speech is not defined the way you think it is.

kfk · 09-05-2013 05:37PM

1ZRed wrote: »

He meant that you're into beastiality because you're a culchie and because you likened being a culchie to being gay which he said was another issue for discussion. Caught up now?

Oh! I thought it had something to do with homosexuals and bears? I heard something about that before!

Nodin · 09-05-2013 05:49PM

kfk wrote: »

Believe it or not, I was once the victim of an attack orchestrated by a culchie hating gang in Ballyfermot.

Were you now.

You weren't attacked everywhere else because of being a "culchie", have to constantly hide the fact you were one, hide all romantic relationships, never show physical affection in public, have people talk about you're a child molester, sick, diseased, morally wrong, a corrupter of youth etc. You haven't a bogs notion and don't pretend you do.

kfk · 09-05-2013 06:11PM

old hippy wrote: »

Nor does it revolve around you and your spurious attempts to be controversial.

I'm sure you're well aware of what you've been doing on this thread and it's anything but genuine curiosity or concern. It's either wilful ignorance or patronising bs.

How was I being contraversial? Other than a few light hearted jokes?

kfk · 09-05-2013 06:15PM

efb wrote: »

What rights are people deprived of for being a culchie

PS: I am a culchie!

None afaik. We are all culchies. Even most dubs are only a few generations removed from a bog!

bodice ripper · 09-05-2013 08:23PM

Just a thought. Perhaps straight people would have an easier time empathising with gay people if every discussion about gay issues didn't turn into Top Trumps: the Suffering Edition.

It is not helping get your points across.

orestes · 09-05-2013 08:27PM

bodice ripper wrote: »

Just a thought. Perhaps straight people would have an easier time empathising with gay people if every discussion about gay issues didn't turn into Top Trumps: the Suffering Edition.

It is not helping get your points across.

Yep, yet again, it's the pesky gays fault for bringing it on themselves.

bodice ripper · 09-05-2013 08:35PM

orestes wrote: »

Yep, yet again, it's the pesky gays fault for bringing it on themselves.

I didn't say anything like that. If you are going to make **** up I suggest something more colorful and damning.

Terry1985 · 09-05-2013 08:35PM

orestes wrote: »

Yep, yet again, it's the pesky gays fault for bringing it on themselves.

It's not like they've all been attacked.
If you're in a rough area you keep your head down.

Legislation isn't going to help the emotional turmoil of being LBGT, nor soften the blow to their parents.
There's only so much that can be reasonably expected under the umbrella of civil rights.

Crooked Jack · 09-05-2013 08:37PM

Nodin wrote: »

Were you now.

You weren't attacked everywhere else because of being a "culchie", have to constantly hide the fact you were one, hide all romantic relationships, never show physical affection in public, have people talk about you're a child molester, sick, diseased, morally wrong, a corrupter of youth etc. You haven't a bogs notion and don't pretend you do.

I'd be very surprised if this was a regular feature of the average Irish gay person's life. I have no doubt it happens, which is reprehensible, but there are some people here dangerously close to straying into persecution complex territory.

Nodin · 09-05-2013 08:41PM

Crooked Jack wrote: »

I'd be very surprised if this was a regular feature of the average Irish gay person's life. I have no doubt it happens, which is reprehensible, but there are some people here dangerously close to straying into persecution complex territory.

It's a compendium, and it used be far worse than it is today, remember.

NuMarvel · 09-05-2013 08:47PM

Crooked Jack wrote: »

I'd be very surprised if this was a regular feature of the average Irish gay person's life. I have no doubt it happens, which is reprehensible, but there are some people here dangerously close to straying into persecution complex territory.

Some of it is rare, but some of it does happen every day. The average hetero couple can be affectionate in public with no repercussions. I've seen gay couples walk through Temple Bar during the day holding hands and every second or third person looking at them. Even if there is no malice intended, it's uncomfortable to be the subject of attention like that.

Crooked Jack · 09-05-2013 08:54PM

Nodin wrote: »

It's a compendium, and it used be far worse than it is today, remember.

Very true, but another way of writing that sentence would be "it's hardly anything like that now."
The straight pride thing is obviously daft and just the OP playing devil's advocate but he does raise some points interesting points about what sense the word pride is meant in.
Is the goal to get to a point where a pride parade/organisation is no longer necessary or does it just continue indefinitely.

Nodin · 09-05-2013 08:56PM

Crooked Jack wrote: »

Very true, but another way of writing that sentence would be "it's hardly anything like that now."
......

Depending where you live.

kfk · 09-05-2013 08:57PM

NuMarvel wrote: »

Some of it is rare, but some of it does happen every day. The average hetero couple can be affectionate in public with no repercussions. I've seen gay couples walk through Temple Bar during the day holding hands and every second or third person looking at them. Even if there is no malice intended, it's uncomfortable to be the subject of attention like that.

I sympathise with that. But is there a solution. I think people are always going to look. If a gay couple are walking along and see another gay couple walking, will they purposely look?

NuMarvel · 09-05-2013 09:10PM

Crooked Jack wrote: »

Is the goal to get to a point where a pride parade/organisation is no longer necessary or does it just continue indefinitely.

It's hard to get a representative answer to that, because there's a diversity of opinion within the gay community as to what Pride is about.

Personally, I see Pride as being as much as about visibility and celebration as it is about a campaign for equality. Gay people are a hidden minority, and it's easy for the general public to assume that gay people act or look a certain way. Pride parades are made up of people who look and act like everyone else. Yes, the more flamboyant characters get most of the attention and the press, but for every drag queen, there are dozens of average, ordinary people.

I also see Pride as an acknowledgement of our history, being a commemoration of Stonewall, which was the first real movement towards equality for gay people in modern times.

I think it will probably keep going anyway, even after full civil equality, because a) humans are creatures of habit and Pride is a tradition at this point*, and b) what's wrong with having another reason to have a great night out?

*And somewhere, opponents of same sex marriage are shocked to hear a gay person talk about maintaining a tradition!

NuMarvel · 09-05-2013 09:13PM

kfk wrote: »

I sympathise with that. But is there a solution. I think people are always going to look. If a gay couple are walking along and see another gay couple walking, will they purposely look?

We kind of have to look. It's hard to give the secret handshake if we don't look

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