Heterosexual Pride Day

floggg · 09-05-2013 12:47PM

kfk wrote: »

Regardless of how that person looks in the photo, what are peoples thoughts on the sign? What is it going to achieve by insulting Christians? Do the gay posters here think it is OK?

Just stop it please.

In case you haven't gotten it already, we aren't one heterogenous group with fixed thoughts and beliefs and we aren't under any obligation to justify ourselves to you or anybody else.

Also, whether that sign is ok or not isn't a gay or straight issue. It's a freedom of speech issue.

Whatever your conclusions were on the Danish cartoons of Mohammad, apply then here and call it a day.

old hippy · 09-05-2013 12:51PM

kfk wrote: »

OK. My opinion is that it very disrespectful towards Christians. I dont see the point in carrying that sign in the parade. It is only going to turn more Christians against homosexuals, and compound the hatred that some Christians may already have against the gay community. The gay community may argue that they have been victimised by Christians already, but revenge attacks usually serve no good purpose. This sign will inevitably cause damage, but the damage could be mitigated if the gay community came out and said they did not condone it. Even the responses on here will be read by a lot of Christians!

And what? Unless the entire diverse lot of us come out (no pun intended) and criticise the sign, what then? Are the entire, diverse Christian lot going to smite us?

I've never read such tripe in my life.

Links234 · 09-05-2013 12:53PM

Oh by the way, I'm not anti-straight, far from it. and I even have some straight friends!

kfk · 09-05-2013 12:56PM

Links234 wrote: »

You know, I once saw a straight muppet who dressed up as a pedophile priest for Halloween, complete with faux child attatched to the costume's crotch in a sexual pose. I was seriously disgusted.

I want the straight community to come out and say they do not condone this, that this kind of straight behaviour is not acceptable, and maybe then they could mitigate some of the damage done to the straight community.

I can only speak for myself and I certainly dont condone this behavior. I think it is disgusting. It is similar, although worse than the sign as in, they are both attacks on Christians!

kunst nugget · 09-05-2013 01:02PM

floggg wrote: »

Just stop it please.

In case you haven't gotten it already, we aren't one heterogenous group

Em, not trying to be funny but I think you meant homogenous.

jaffacakesyum · 09-05-2013 01:05PM

kfk wrote: »

I can only speak for myself and I certainly dont condone this behavior. I think it is disgusting. It is similar, although worse than the sign as in, they are both attacks on Christians!

You can only speak for yourself, not the straight community, as you just said.

So why do you seem to think that the gay community is one unison voice that needs to babysit and commentate on any behavior by any gay person in the whole world?

1ZRed · 09-05-2013 01:09PM

kfk wrote: »

OK. My opinion is that it very disrespectful towards Christians. I dont see the point in carrying that sign in the parade. It is only going to turn more Christians against homosexuals, and compound the hatred that some Christians may already have against the gay community. The gay community may argue that they have been victimised by Christians already, but revenge attacks usually serve no good purpose. This sign will inevitably cause damage, but the damage could be mitigated if the gay community came out and said they did not condone it. Even the responses on here will be read by a lot of Christians!

I don't condone this but what respect have we, and will ever get from Christians? Why should we bend over to get it from them either? Who makes them a leading authority on anything?

I'd love for a huge amount of Christians to come out to me and say they don't condone the notions coming from the vatican that we are damaging society and causing such huge harm.

It works both ways, and they have caused lot more disrepect (to put that so lightly it's nearly amusing) then we ever had. Where are they to come out and apologise for everything they've done?

NuMarvel · 09-05-2013 01:29PM

I wonder if the OP has ever seen any of the signs held aloft by the likes of the Westboro Baptist Church. They picket funerals for crying out loud! If we're going to be concerned out disrespectful signs and protests, let's start there.

kfk · 09-05-2013 01:49PM

It doesn't hurt for anyone to condemn such signs as these. They are only used to provoke. Of course there is never going to be one single voice for all straight people or gay people. Everyone's voice counts and makes a difference. If every Irish person, when asked about the bombings in England were to respond with "I don't need to justify myself to anybody", then what way would relations be between English and Irish people now? A lot more stressed I imagine.

I can only speak for myself and you can only speak for yourself. I have already shared my opinion. So instead of dodging the question of thoughts on the sign, why not just speak your mind? I am not asking anyone to justify themselves!

NuMarvel · 09-05-2013 01:57PM

mango salsa wrote: »

Do all straight people think God hates Ireland? http://www.godhatestheworld.com/ireland/filthymanneroflife.html

"This site is blocked by your organisation's Internet Security Protocol.
Classification: Racism and Hate."

Truer words have never been spoken

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(BTW, if I lose my job, I'm taking you with me Mango!)

Annasopra · 09-05-2013 02:02PM

kfk wrote: »

It doesn't hurt for anyone to condemn such signs as these. They are only used to provoke. Of course there is never going to be one single voice for all straight people or gay people. Everyone's voice counts and makes a difference. If every Irish person, when asked about the bombings in England were to respond with "I don't need to justify myself to anybody", then what way would relations be between English and Irish people now? A lot more stressed I imagine.

I can only speak for myself and you can only speak for yourself. I have already shared my opinion. So instead of dodging the question of thoughts on the sign, why not just speak your mind? I am not asking anyone to justify themselves!

The thing is - you have asked about 40 questions in this thread. I would nearly have to write a long essay to answer all of them.

Terry1985 · 09-05-2013 02:03PM

NuMarvel wrote: »

"This site is blocked by your organisation's Internet Security Protocol.
Classification: Racism and Hate."

Truer words have never been spoken .

(BTW, if I lose my job, I'm taking you with me Mango!)

I think Mango should be banned for spreading racism and hate with NSFW links.

Zillah · 09-05-2013 02:04PM

kfk wrote: »

I have already shared my opinion. So instead of dodging the question of thoughts on the sign, why not just speak your mind? I am not asking anyone to justify themselves!

I think the sign is fine. A person has a right to free speech, regardless of how it offends someone. You don't get to silence others because they disagree with you. If you wanted to wave a sign that said "Fags are dirty sodomites that deserve to burn in hell", and someone tried to force you to take it down, I would be your vociferous ally in resisting them, just as I am the Jesus Fag sign.

09-05-2013 02:06PM

Corkfeen wrote: »

My god, you know several people that agree with you........ That doesn't give your argument greater strength. :rolleyes: For the most part, pride festivals are in perfectly good taste but you're trying to paint them in an entirely way by selecting images that suit your agenda.

I agree with him and the several people i know also agree with him. Infact they are pushing to get away from all that and actually join the rest of the world and stop basing their life around their sexual preference.

NuMarvel · 09-05-2013 02:13PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I agree with him and the several people i know also agree with him. Infact they are pushing to get away from all that and actually join the rest of the world and stop basing their life around their sexual preference.

As an aside, I really dislike the term sexual preference as synonym for sexual orientation. It implies that you can choose who to be attracted to.

kfk · 09-05-2013 02:16PM

Zillah wrote: »

I think the sign is fine. A person has a right to free speech, regardless of how it offends someone. You don't get to silence others because they disagree with you. If you wanted to wave a sign that said "Fags are dirty sodomites that deserve to burn in hell", and someone tried to force you to take it down, I would be your vociferous ally in resisting them, just as I am the Jesus Fag sign.

Surely that sign must upset some gay posters on here, in that it can only incite hatred against you by some others. If someone at a march were to hold a sign saying "Gays hates Christians", would that pi*s you off?

kfk · 09-05-2013 02:29PM

On free speech. I have no problem with free speech but there is nothing wrong with condoning or condemning what is being said or presented through free speech.

Ill ask a simple question. Is any other poster here willing to condemn or condone that sign for what it says?

Death and Taxes · 09-05-2013 02:32PM

kfk wrote: »

Surely that sign must upset some gay posters on here, in that it can only incite hatred against you by some others. If someone at a march were to hold a sign saying "Gays hates Christians", would that pi*s you off?

There is no evidence that gays generally hate christians, there is however ample evidence from the teachings of the biggest christian church, that the church hates gays, google "pope homosexuals" see how much love and tolerance you find there.

Links234 · 09-05-2013 02:34PM

kfk wrote: »

Is any other poster here willing to condemn or condone that sign for what it says?

Why bother? you'd see worse on many a heavy metal t-shirt, but you're just seeming to feign outrage so you've a stick to beat the LGBT community with.

silly straight people :rolleyes:

kunst nugget · 09-05-2013 02:34PM

kfk wrote: »

Surely that sign must upset some gay posters on here, in that it can only incite hatred against you by some others. If someone at a march were to hold a sign saying "Gays hates Christians", would that pi*s you off?

He merely deduced from his limited knowledge of the bible that, with his bachelor lifestyle and his dozen close male friends, Jesus was probably a homosexual and decided to put this in the most succinct wording he could think of on a sign. I don't think the implication from the sign is that the gay borg hate Christians.

Annasopra · 09-05-2013 02:34PM

Zillah wrote: »

A person has a right to free speech, regardless of how it offends someone.

They don't really - You seem to misunderstand free speech.

The right to freedom of expression, as per Article 10 (2) of the European Convention on Human Rights, "carries with it duties and responsibilities" and "may be subject to such formalities, conditions, restrictions or penalties as are prescribed by law and are necessary in a democratic society

kfk · 09-05-2013 02:35PM

WileyCoyote wrote: »

There is no evidence that gays generally hate christians, there is however ample evidence from the teachings of the biggest christian church, that the church hates gays, google "pope homosexuals" see how much love and tolerance you find there.

You are trying to do what I mistakenly did earlier. I am only one Christian. I believe what I want to believe and dont share the same views as the pope.

aloyisious · 09-05-2013 02:41PM

Would people on a str8 pride parade have to do anything to define themselves as such, apart from placards and banners, like not dressing too metrosexual, avoid using scented shower gels etc on the day?

kfk · 09-05-2013 02:42PM

Links234 wrote: »

Why bother? you'd see worse on many a heavy metal t-shirt, but you're just seeming to feign outrage so you've a stick to beat the LGBT community with.

silly straight people :rolleyes:

Im not trying to beat the LGBT community. Far from it. If you believe that I am the enemy then it would stand to reason that the LGBT community has very little support.

Death and Taxes · 09-05-2013 02:48PM

kfk wrote: »

On free speech. I have no problem with free speech but there is nothing wrong with condoning or condemning what is being said or presented through free speech.

Ill ask a simple question. Is any other poster here willing to condemn or condone that sign for what it says?

Condem it, no!
Understand the anger and frustration of hundreds of years of murder,abuse,rights denial and hatred from christians behind it, yes

09-05-2013 02:48PM

NuMarvel wrote: »

As an aside, I really dislike the term sexual preference as synonym for sexual orientation. It implies that you can choose who to be attracted to.

No that would be sexual choice.

kfk · 09-05-2013 02:59PM

WileyCoyote wrote: »

Condem it, no!
Understand the anger and frustration of hundreds of years of murder,abuse,rights denial and hatred from christians behind it, yes

All Christians? Do you hate all Muslims too? What about the British? Or even the Irish? Let it go. There is and always will be bad elements to every group, community, religion etc. I would condemn a sigh saying "Those dirty Brits, look what they did to us in the past" sign. Would you? How is that any different? How is society ever going to move forward when there are people holding grudges from the past or present?

Benny_Cake · 09-05-2013 03:00PM

It's a pretty silly placard. Actually, it's idiotic. It's equally idiotic to use one individual as a reason to condemn the Pride festival. As for apologies, perhaps the person holding the sign should apologise but I don't see why other LGBT people should be expected to apologise on her behalf. It's no nonsensical and unfair.

Terry1985 · 09-05-2013 03:00PM

aloyisious wrote: »

Would people on a str8 pride parade have to do anything to define themselves as such, apart from placards and banners, like not dressing too metrosexual, avoid using scented shower gels etc on the day?

Avoid wearing any uniforms, the village people have ruined that for everyone.

kfk · 09-05-2013 03:05PM

Benny_Cake wrote: »

It's a pretty silly placard. Actually, it's idiotic. It's equally idiotic to use one individual as a reason to condemn the Pride festival. As for apologies, perhaps the person holding the sign should apologise but I don't see why other LGBT people should be expected to apologise on her behalf. It's no nonsensical and unfair.

If that was aimed at me then I didnt ask anyone to apologise for the sign. I didnt condemn the pride festival. I asked who would condemn the sign. Big difference to what you are saying in your post! I agree with it being a silly placard.

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