missing girls found alive

fishy fishy · 08-05-2013 12:08PM

Lollipops23 wrote: »

Jesus, judging by the transcript of the call that dispatcher should be disciplined and re-trained. She sounded like Amanda was a mere hindrance to her, when the girl was so clearly distraught.

what would you expect the dispatcher to do exactly? Are you trained in dispatch yourself to give such advice :roll eyes: You do know that dispatchers at "trained" to stay calm and try to get info from the person - not go hysterical like some would want them do.

mathie · 08-05-2013 12:13PM

fishy fishy wrote: »

what would you expect the dispatcher to do exactly? Are you trained in dispatch yourself to give such advice :roll eyes: You do know that dispatchers at "trained" to stay calm and try to get info from the person - not go hysterical like some would want them do.

His tone for his last line was poor

Dispatcher: I told you they're on their way; talk to them when they get there, OK.

Otherwise he did well.
Im sure it's a tough job with plenty of crank callers.

fishy fishy · 08-05-2013 12:19PM

mathie wrote: »

His tone for his last line was poor

Dispatcher: I told you they're on their way; talk to them when they get there, OK.

Otherwise he did well.
Im sure it's a tough job with plenty of crank callers.

what tone would you have preferred? :rolleyes:

mathie · 08-05-2013 12:24PM

fishy fishy wrote: »

what tone would you have preferred? :rolleyes:

A calm reassuring one.
Not one that was almost shouting and impatient sounding.

Maybe you can take his place and flash roll eyes at callers?
They help a lot.

Lollipops23 · 08-05-2013 12:34PM

fishy fishy wrote: »

what would you expect the dispatcher to do exactly? Are you trained in dispatch yourself to give such advice :roll eyes: You do know that dispatchers at "trained" to stay calm and try to get info from the person - not go hysterical like some would want them do.

No one expected them to start getting hysterical. I would expect a more authoritative and calming tone to be honest. I have dealt with emergency services and always found them to act this way- like when there was a fire literally outside my door and I was panicking about how the hell we were going to get out if it spread even a few feet.

fishy fishy · 08-05-2013 12:35PM

mathie wrote: »

A calm reassuring one.
Not one that was almost shouting and impatient sounding.

Maybe you can take his place and flash roll eyes at callers?
They help a lot.

Thats only in your opinion. I think some people expect the dispatchers to get hyper, have a party, jump up and down and act like an over-excited child - do you know how many calls a dispatcher takes - do you know how many hoaxes they get - do you know that they are TRAINED to stay calm and detached?
Sometimes I have to laugh at the reactions on here.

I only use the "roll eyes" at the posts that are ridiculous.

mathie · 08-05-2013 12:45PM

fishy fishy wrote: »

Thats only in your opinion. I think some people expect the dispatchers to get hyper, have a party, jump up and down and act like an over-excited child - do you know how many calls a dispatcher takes - do you know how many hoaxes they get - do you know that they are TRAINED to stay calm and detached?
Sometimes I have to laugh at the reactions on here.

I only use the "roll eyes" at the posts that are ridiculous.

I only use it for the passive aggressive ones.
:rolleyes:

Its ridiculous to expect a dispatcher to keep a calm tone?
Well I guess that's where out opinions differ.

Seedy Arling · 08-05-2013 12:49PM

The father (Ariel) really was a horrible person. From the Irish Independent.

http://www.independent.ie/world-news/americas/ohio-kidnapping-son-reveals-father-padlocked-basement-doors-because-we-werent-allowed-to-go-there-29251599.html

Anthony Castro, a banker who lives in Columbus, Ohio, said his father had beaten him, and also nearly beat his mother to death when she was recovering from brain surgery in 1993.

08-05-2013 12:51PM

--Kaiser-- wrote: »

If the desperate parents had an ounce of rationality they wouldn't buy into this nonsense.

In an ideal world, yes.

I don't think fear, desperation and grief are conducive to rationality though.

fishy fishy · 08-05-2013 12:51PM

mathie wrote: »

I only use it for the passive aggressive ones.
:rolleyes:

Its ridiculous to expect a dispatcher to keep a calm tone?
Well I guess that's where out opinions differ.

not after they are trained - otherwise can you imagine what the dispatchers office would be like - some in floods of tears, some screaming, some having a party.

:o

mathie · 08-05-2013 01:02PM

Seedy Arling wrote: »

The father (Ariel) really was a horrible person. From the Irish Independent.

http://www.independent.ie/world-news/americas/ohio-kidnapping-son-reveals-father-padlocked-basement-doors-because-we-werent-allowed-to-go-there-29251599.html

More from that link ....

A guest on the television show America’s Most Wanted in 2005 Ms Castro said the two of them had been walking home from school together the night she vanished. Ms DeJesus had even telephoned her mother to ask if Ms Castro could come to their house to hang out. Apparently the girl’s mother said no, and, according to the younger Castro the two simply parted ways at that point. It wasn’t clear where Arlene, who was fourteen at the time, was when the interview was recorded or indeed where she is now.

SB2013 · 08-05-2013 01:03PM

mathie wrote: »

A calm reassuring one.
Not one that was almost shouting and impatient sounding.

Maybe you can take his place and flash roll eyes at callers?
They help a lot.

A dispatchers job is to get as much pertinent information as possible as fast as possible. They have no idea if when the caller might be cut off. They also have to relay this information to responding units. unfortunately in many cases a calm reassuring tone won't elicit this information. You have to push, sometimes hard.

What strikes me as odd is how nobody seemed to question how this man had a child but no girlfriend or wife.

SB2013 · 08-05-2013 01:06PM

fishy fishy wrote: »

Thats only in your opinion. I think some people expect the dispatchers to get hyper, have a party, jump up and down and act like an over-excited child - do you know how many calls a dispatcher takes - do you know how many hoaxes they get - do you know that they are TRAINED to stay calm and detached?
Sometimes I have to laugh at the reactions on here.

I only use the "roll eyes" at the posts that are ridiculous.

mathie wrote: »

Its ridiculous to expect a dispatcher to keep a calm tone?

That appears to be the opposite of what he said.

April O Neill · 08-05-2013 01:23PM

--Kaiser-- wrote: »

No one forced the women to believe this psychic bullsh1t

--Kaiser-- wrote: »

If the desperate parents had an ounce of rationality they wouldn't buy into this nonsense.

But they do, so she shouldn't have indulged them. She knew it was bullsh1t. You can't eliminate gullible idiots, they will always exist.

Ms. Pingui · 08-05-2013 01:36PM

SB2013 wrote: »

A dispatchers job is to get as much pertinent information as possible as fast as possible. They have no idea if when the caller might be cut off. They also have to relay this information to responding units. unfortunately in many cases a calm reassuring tone won't elicit this information. You have to push, sometimes hard.

What strikes me as odd is how nobody seemed to question how this man had a child but no girlfriend or wife.

I think the child was kept in captivity with the women, so nobody would have seen her.

--Kaiser-- · 08-05-2013 01:40PM

April O Neill wrote: »

But they do, so she shouldn't have indulged them. She knew it was bullsh1t. You can't eliminate gullible idiots, they will always exist.

Then there will always be those who prey and the gullible

(P.S. it's also possible that this charlatan buys into her own delusions, not that it's particularly relevant)

Allyall · 08-05-2013 01:41PM

mathie wrote: »

More from that link ....

Not only was the Arlene Castro the last one with her, Gina DeJesus had only the exact amount for the bus home, but she gave 50 cents to ring her mom and ask could she go to Gina's house. The Mother said "No".

Gina hadn't got enough money to get home on the bus now, and started to walk home on her own..
Arlene's Father or Uncle obviously picked her up...
:eek:

This is a crazy story. The way it all links together (Not that unusual, as they knew the victims, it seems) is mad.

http://www.newsnet5.com/dpp/news/local_news/cleveland_metro/arlene-castro-child-of-ariel-castro-told-americas-most-wanted-she-was-last-to-see-gina-dejesus

Allyall · 08-05-2013 01:42PM

Ms. Pingui wrote: »

I think the child was kept in captivity with the women, so nobody would have seen her.

He (Ariel) Brought the daughter to the park, as recent as last week. When he was asked who's kid she was by a Neighbour, he sadi "She's my Girlfriend's Daughter"..

Ms. Pingui · 08-05-2013 01:44PM

Allyall wrote: »

He (Ariel) Brought the daughter to the park, as recent as last week. When he was asked who's kid she was by a Neighbour, he sadi "She's my Girlfriend's Daughter"..

Oh really? I didn't know that. The whole thing is extremely odd.

tinkerbell · 08-05-2013 01:49PM

Allyall wrote: »

The guy that owned the house the girls were locked up in.

After the neighbours reported seeing the 3 girls being led around the back garden in dog collars, with three men laughing and ordering them, the owner of the house put tarpaulin around the garden so nobody could see in anymore.

While "The Rescuer" was on the phone to 911, Amanda was on another phone. The Dispatcher that she was on the phone to, is under investigation, for a couple of reasons, but the main one being that she didn't try and keep Amanda on the phone until the Police got there. They are supposed keep them on the phone.

Amanda's call

Listen to the call HERE

Why did the dispatcher ask her what address she was calling from when she already knew?

Seedy Arling · 08-05-2013 01:52PM

tinkerbell wrote: »

Why did the dispatcher ask her what address she was calling from when she already knew?

I think the girl was trying to report the house the crime occoured in, not the house she was ringing from (the McDonalds dude). When you ring up 911 from a land line, i suspect your address comes up automatically. The fact that the two addresses did not match up probably confused the dispatcher initially.

April O Neill · 08-05-2013 01:59PM

--Kaiser-- wrote: »

Then there will always be those who prey and the gullible.

And in cases like this, someone needs to take control and not let it happen, demand for this kind of telly or no demand.

Seedy Arling · 08-05-2013 02:01PM

April O Neill wrote: »

And in cases like this, someone needs to take control and not let it happen, demand for this kind of telly or no demand.

Sure ban religion as well. It's only a load of auld hocus pocus.

08-05-2013 02:10PM

I don't get what was wrong with the Dispatcher. Aren't they trained to keep calm? They did their job - gathered what information they could to relay to the officers that would be sent out to them.

08-05-2013 02:12PM

Seedy Arling wrote: »

Sure ban religion as well. It's only a load of auld hocus pocus.

If only...

Seedy Arling · 08-05-2013 02:22PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I don't get what was wrong with the Dispatcher. Aren't they trained to keep calm? They did their job - gathered what information they could to relay to the officers that would be sent out to them.

I think people are failing to see that not all their calls are about kidnap victims who have been missing for years.

mathie · 08-05-2013 03:59PM

keithob wrote: »

what sort of mental state would the mind be in after 9/10 years captivity?

how the hell did they survive?

I'd say most AHers have got less fresh air.

April O Neill · 08-05-2013 04:23PM

Seedy Arling wrote: »

Sure ban religion as well. It's only a load of auld hocus pocus.

What a terrible comparison.

--Kaiser-- · 08-05-2013 04:47PM

April O Neill wrote: »

What a terrible comparison.

Not at all. Funny how people who pour scorn on psychics and astrologers and the like have their own set of irrational beliefs

ilovesleep · 08-05-2013 05:00PM

Did you see the cut of the 3 men in the papers?

Didn't read much yet but I bet newpaper reports from their neighbourhood will reveal nothing but good about those men. Charming and always helpful. Any mistakes and wrongdoing will be backed with excuses and other things beyond their control. Fooling everyone that they're good people but absolute brutal sadists in disguise.

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