missing girls found alive

Ruudi_Mentari · 08-05-2013 02:04AM

Only catching up on this. That is was not just two, but three brothers in agreement is disturbing and they will still take that comfort, in solidarity to the grave....

Were they born in the states? My not be an issue but I think sometimes you can get these immigrants, with a longing for somewhere foreign with all it's riches yet ultimately a disdain for the people which may have contributed here too. I have many reasons, why immigrants can suck particularly where people only hear where something horrible happened and condemn that instead.

Allyall · 08-05-2013 02:04AM

Imagine going through that, to come out and find out your Mother is dead.

:(

Jaysus. I can't even begin to imagine any of it. Although it seems she had access to some form of news in the house, so she may have known. God..

Apparently Ariel Castro's Daughter was the last person to see Gina DeJesus before she went missing, and she is now locked up for slashing her infants throat. - The infant survived.

Neighbours had rang the Police saying that they saw three young girls being "walked" around the back yard naked with dog collars on them. Another neighbour rang the Police about screaming heard in the house, and seeing weird things happening in or around it.

And yet another neighbour rang saying she saw a girl holding a baby up at a partially boarded window screaming and trying to get her attention, as if she was trapped.. :eek:

How did this go on for so long..

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There is a thread on Websleuths from the a couple of days Gina DeJesus went missing.. Also a thread on Amanda Berry started a year after she first went missing.

The original story in the newspaper said Gina had the $1.50 to ride the (Public--not yellow school bus) bus home. Her friend wanted to call home and see if she could go over to Gina's house, so Gina gave her 50 cents. The girl's mother said no, so Gina was then short on busfare and had no one to walk to her home with her. The paper also said Gina was not really slow, but in some sort of special ed and apparently naive. This is really sad.

Some newspaper pages from the day. I found it interesting to read.

LINK

Gina's family and friends spent the last three days posting flyers with the teen's picture all over the neighborhood on Cleveland's near west side, where there continues to be a heavy police presence.
It was in this same neighborhood that 17-year-old Amanda Berry disappeared one year ago, while walking home from work.
Berry has still not been found. Investigators have not made any connection between Berry's disappearance and Gina's.

http://www.newsnet5.com/dpp/news/FBI-Joins-Search-For-Georgina-Dejesus
http://www.newsnet5.com/dpp/news/Family-Releases-New-Photos-Of-Missing-Girl

Cmdr. Gary Gringell, of the 1st District police, said they are looking for a light-colored, older-model compact car with a plate number beginning with "SMS". He said the driver was a Hispanic man

ilovesleep · 08-05-2013 03:00AM

^^^^ Oh God!

Can I ask, who is Aerial Castro?

Does America have the death penalty because I swear prison would be to good for the scum who tortured those girls.

ITS_A_BADGER · 08-05-2013 03:18AM

They made a song out of the news report

Lollipops23 · 08-05-2013 09:11AM

Anyone else find it weird that there's a photo doing the rounds of Amanda, her sister and the kid she had in captivity all in the hospital together? Like already?

The woman's been through an unimaginable ordeal, god knows what the kid's been through, and they've the world's media getting them to pose for pics?!

Give the girl some privacy and space, she's probably not thinking straight right now.

Cody Pomeray · 08-05-2013 09:13AM

ilovesleep wrote: »

Does America have the death penalty

(゜_゜)

(゜_゜>)

(゜_゜)

...no

TherapyBoy · 08-05-2013 09:15AM

Lollipops23 wrote: »

Anyone else find it weird that there's a photo doing the rounds of Amanda, her sister and the kid she had in captivity all in the hospital together? Like already?

The woman's been through an unimaginable ordeal, god knows what the kid's been through, and they've the world's media getting them to pose for pics?!

Give the girl some privacy and space, she's probably not thinking straight right now.

The photo of them in the hospital was posted on Facebook [according to CNN anyways] so it was probably taken by a family member.

Al Capwned · 08-05-2013 09:16AM

--Kaiser-- wrote: »

For ****s sake, Room was written after the Elizabeth Fritzl and Natascha Kampusch abduction cases. It's not like it predicted this thing happening

I never said it was predicting anything - just making an observation.
Relax.

Lollipops23 · 08-05-2013 09:25AM

TherapyBoy wrote: »

The photo of them in the hospital was posted on Facebook [according to CNN anyways] so it was probably taken by a family member.

Sheesh, you'd think they'd have some cop-on. Like we haven't seen or heard a peep from the other girls. Hope they're all someplace safe and private, so they can begin to process what they've been through.

mathie · 08-05-2013 09:30AM

belcampprisoner wrote: »

Dispatcher: Is she black, white or Hispanic?

Why is this important?

08-05-2013 09:41AM

mathie wrote: »

Why is this important?

To help the cops quickly identify her on arrival?

Plazaman · 08-05-2013 09:43AM

Lollipops23 wrote: »

Anyone else find it weird that there's a photo doing the rounds of Amanda, her sister and the kid she had in captivity all in the hospital together? Like already?

The woman's been through an unimaginable ordeal, god knows what the kid's been through, and they've the world's media getting them to pose for pics?!

Give the girl some privacy and space, she's probably not thinking straight right now.

The pic was taken by a cousin at the hospital and forwarded to another relation who showed it to cameras nearly as soon as she got it. Other family members posted it to Facebook which was promptly robbed by media outlets.

dark crystal · 08-05-2013 09:46AM

Allyall wrote: »

Neighbours had rang the Police saying that they saw three young girls being "walked" around the back yard naked with dog collars on them. Another neighbour rang the Police about screaming heard in the house, and seeing weird things happening in or around it.

And yet another neighbour rang saying she saw a girl holding a baby up at a partially boarded window screaming and trying to get her attention, as if she was trapped.. :eek:

How did this go on for so long..

WTF?? I've never heard these reports before now.

Wow, if this house has been reported three times before and police either failed to respond or responded and still didn't manage to find those girls, there will be serious questions need answering.

A possible domestic violence call you could perhaps understand (they'd be routine enough), but someone reporting three naked young girls being led around the back yard in dog collars, in an area where three young girls had gone missing and the police not doing a serious search of that house and you have a clear cut case of the police being negligent in their duties.

Huge alarm bells should have been ringing after that sighting.

InchicoreDude · 08-05-2013 10:04AM

refusetolose wrote: »

reports of a naked girl seen crawling in the back garden that were never followed up by the cops

Ok, it wasnt followed up the police. But there could be lots of reasons for this - they may have thought it was a hoax, they may have been on their way to be sidetracked by a more pressing matter etc. And it is bad that the police did not follow up on it but these things will always happen in a police force.

But I find it more shocking that it was not followed up by the neighbours who reported the incident. If I was in that position and saw an incident that I felt worthy of reporting to police, and the police did not follow up, then I would most certainly follow up on it myself. Sometimes, people are far too dependent on police - and they ignore their own obligation as a citizen. If you suspect that a child is being abused (or not being looked after properly), 1 call to the police is not enough. If you make 1 call and it is ignored, then you call again, if it is ignored again, then you visit the police station and you explain the situation in person.

I just dont know how people can feel something is worthy of reporting to the police and then sit idly by when they see nothing is done.....

syklops · 08-05-2013 10:07AM

Grand Moff Tarkin wrote: »

His 911 call is the stuff of legend.

Is it just me or did the dispatcher sound like he was less than interested?

And I have to congratulate the rescuer on how clearly he gave the address. The rest of the story is a bit unclear, but surely if you ring 911, getting the address across clearly and accurately should be a priority.

SB2013 · 08-05-2013 10:36AM

syklops wrote: »

Is it just me or did the dispatcher sound like he was less than interested?

Yeah he should have gone into hysterics and started shouting and screaming. That'll put a caller at ease.

I'd say most of the reports coming in are being exaggerated or are pure bull****. It's also likely that people saw stuff and didn't report it but are now saying they did to ease their guilt in some way. It'll be interesting to see how many of the reports are genuine. You could excuse one or two as hoax calls or people just being strange but if there were multiple ones over the ten years you'd think someone would have decided to dig a little deeper.

dark crystal · 08-05-2013 10:39AM

InchicoreDude wrote: »

Ok, it wasnt followed up the police. But there could be lots of reasons for this - they may have thought it was a hoax, they may have been on their way to be sidetracked by a more pressing matter etc. And it is bad that the police did not follow up on it but these things will always happen in a police force.

But I find it more shocking that it was not followed up by the neighbours who reported the incident. If I was in that position and saw an incident that I felt worthy of reporting to police, and the police did not follow up, then I would most certainly follow up on it myself. Sometimes, people are far too dependent on police - and they ignore their own obligation as a citizen. If you suspect that a child is being abused (or not being looked after properly), 1 call to the police is not enough. If you make 1 call and it is ignored, then you call again, if it is ignored again, then you visit the police station and you explain the situation in person.

I just dont know how people can feel something is worthy of reporting to the police and then sit idly by when they see nothing is done.....

Yes, I agree to a point. Of course the neighbours had an obligation, but they did report the incidents, which was their civic duty.

However, the police have a duty of care to follow up on any reports they receive - that's their job.
If three separate reports come in from the same address, including a report of three naked young girls being led around the back yard in dog collars in an area where three young girls have gone missing, what sort of ineptitude does that display on the part of the OPD? One incident being missed may be excused as human error, three incidents being missed is a clear case of negligence on the part of law enforcement.

If I were a member of any of these girl's families, I would be asking serious questions as to why these reports were never followed up on.

InchicoreDude · 08-05-2013 10:42AM

dark crystal wrote: »

Yes, I agree to a point. Of course the neighbours had an obligation, but they did report the incidents, which was their civic duty.

However, the police have a duty of care to follow up on any reports they receive - that's their job.
If three separate reports come in from the same address, including a report of three naked young girls being led around the back yard in dog collars in an area where three young girls have gone missing, what sort of ineptitude does that display on the part of the OPD? One incident being missed may be excused as human error, three incidents being missed is a clear case of negligence on the part of law enforcement.

If I were a member of any of these girl's families, I would be asking serious questions as to why these reports were never followed up on.

I agree! And I did say that at the start of my post that it is not acceptable that the police did not follow up on it. However, both the police AND the neighbours (who apparently suspected something iffy) failed those victims - not just the police.

SB2013 · 08-05-2013 10:49AM

dark crystal wrote: »

Yes, I agree to a point. Of course the neighbours had an obligation, but they did report the incidents, which was their civic duty.

However, the police have a duty of care to follow up on any reports they receive - that's their job.
If three separate reports come in from the same address, including a report of three naked young girls being led around the back yard in dog collars in an area where three young girls have gone missing, what sort of ineptitude does that display on the part of the OPD? One incident being missed may be excused as human error, three incidents being missed is a clear case of negligence on the part of law enforcement.

If I were a member of any of these girl's families, I would be asking serious questions as to why these reports were never followed up on.

it's not too hard to comprehend though when you think of it. Cop gets called to a home with a report of three naked girls on leads. House is in darkness. Puts it down as a hoax call and moves on. Few years later a different cop gets a call of a woman screaming. Calls to house and speaks to owner, a reasonably well known fella who works locally in the school and is well liked, finds nothing amiss so puts it down as a hoax, maybe even a domestic argument, and moves on. And so on.

What it really highlights for me is the importance of community focused police forces. The States have completely moved away from this kind of model. A police officer who had a better connection with that community built up over years would likely have seen something amiss with the house.

Duggy747 · 08-05-2013 11:07AM

I hope that "psychic" Sylvia Browne is hung out to dry, a woman went to her grave being influenced by what she said that her daughter was dead.

--Kaiser-- · 08-05-2013 11:11AM

Duggy747 wrote: »

I hope that "psychic" Sylvia Browne is hung out to dry, a woman went to her grave being influenced by what she said that her daughter was dead.

No one forced the women to believe this psychic bullsh1t

08-05-2013 11:13AM

Duggy747 wrote: »

I hope that "psychic" Sylvia Browne is hung out to dry, a woman went to her grave being influenced by what she said that her daughter was dead.

I hope so too, and all the schmucks who book her for their low-rent TV shows to make 'entertainment' out of the desperation and pain of people like the girls parents.

08-05-2013 11:16AM

--Kaiser-- wrote: »

No one forced the women to believe this psychic bullsh1t

That doesn't really justify exploiting the desperation of parents of the missing for TV entertainment.

The woman is a fraud, she shouldn't be getting the exposure, whether anyone is gullible enough or desperate enough to believe her or not.

--Kaiser-- · 08-05-2013 11:22AM

Candie wrote: »

That doesn't really justify exploiting the desperation of parents of the missing for TV entertainment.

The woman is a fraud, she shouldn't be getting the exposure, whether anyone is gullible enough or desperate enough to believe her or not.

If the desperate parents had an ounce of rationality they wouldn't buy into this nonsense. She shouldn't be getting the exposure (neither should plenty of people on TV), but the reason they are on the TV is that their is a market for it. Simple as. Eliminate gullible idiots and you will eliminate frauds that prey on them

syklops · 08-05-2013 11:23AM

SB2013 wrote: »

Yeah he should have gone into hysterics and started shouting and screaming. That'll put a caller at ease.

:rolleyes:

Allyall · 08-05-2013 11:30AM

ilovesleep wrote: »

^^^^ Oh God!

Can I ask, who is Aerial Castro?

The guy that owned the house the girls were locked up in.

InchicoreDude wrote: »

Ok, it wasnt followed up the police. But there could be lots of reasons for this - they may have thought it was a hoax, they may have been on their way to be sidetracked by a more pressing matter etc. And it is bad that the police did not follow up on it but these things will always happen in a police force.

But I find it more shocking that it was not followed up by the neighbours who reported the incident. If I was in that position and saw an incident that I felt worthy of reporting to police, and the police did not follow up, then I would most certainly follow up on it myself. Sometimes, people are far too dependent on police - and they ignore their own obligation as a citizen. If you suspect that a child is being abused (or not being looked after properly), 1 call to the police is not enough. If you make 1 call and it is ignored, then you call again, if it is ignored again, then you visit the police station and you explain the situation in person.

I just dont know how people can feel something is worthy of reporting to the police and then sit idly by when they see nothing is done.....

After the neighbours reported seeing the 3 girls being led around the back garden in dog collars, with three men laughing and ordering them, the owner of the house put tarpaulin around the garden so nobody could see in anymore.

syklops wrote: »

Is it just me or did the dispatcher sound like he was less than interested?

And I have to congratulate the rescuer on how clearly he gave the address. The rest of the story is a bit unclear, but surely if you ring 911, getting the address across clearly and accurately should be a priority.

While "The Rescuer" was on the phone to 911, Amanda was on another phone. The Dispatcher that she was on the phone to, is under investigation, for a couple of reasons, but the main one being that she didn't try and keep Amanda on the phone until the Police got there. They are supposed keep them on the phone.

Amanda's call

Caller: Help me. I'm Amanda Berry.
Dispatcher: You need police, fire, ambulance?
Caller: I need police.
Dispatcher: OK, and what's going on there?
Caller: I've been kidnapped and I've been missing for 10 years, and I'm, I'm here, I'm free now.
Dispatcher: OK, and what's your address?
Caller: 2207 Seymour Avenue.
Dispatcher: 2207 Seymour. Looks like you're calling me from 2210.
Caller: Huh?
Dispatcher: Looks like you're calling me from 2210.
Caller: I can't hear you.
Dispatcher: Looks like you're calling me from 2210 Seymour.
Caller: I'm across the street; I'm using the phone.
Dispatcher: OK, stay there with those neighbors. Talk to police when they get there.
Caller: (Crying)
Dispatcher: OK, talk to police when they get there.
Caller: OK. Hello?
Dispatcher: OK, talk to the police when they get there.
Caller: OK (unintelligible).
Dispatcher: We're going to send them as soon as we get a car open.
Caller: No, I need them now before he gets back.
Dispatcher: All right; we're sending them, OK?
Caller: OK, I mean, like ...
Dispatcher: Who's the guy you're trying -- who's the guy who went out?
Caller: Um, his name is Ariel Castro.
Dispatcher: OK. How old is he?
Caller: He's like 52.
Dispatcher: And, uh -
Caller: I'm Amanda Berry. I've been on the news for the last 10 years.
Dispatcher: I got, I got that, dear. (Unintelligible) And, you say, what was his name again?
Caller: Uh, Ariel Castro.
Dispatcher: And is he white, black or Hispanic?
Caller: Uh, Hispanic.
Dispatcher: What's he wearing?
Caller (agitated): I don't know, 'cause he's not here right now. That's why I ran away.
Dispatcher: When he left, what was he wearing?
Caller: Who knows (unintelligible).
Dispatcher: The police are on their way; talk to them when they get there.
Caller: Huh? I - OK.
Dispatcher: I told you they're on their way; talk to them when they get there, OK.
Caller: All right, OK. Bye.

Listen to the call HERE

InchicoreDude · 08-05-2013 11:39AM

After the neighbours reported seeing the 3 girls being led around the back garden in dog collars, with three men laughing and ordering them, the owner of the house put tarpaulin around the garden so nobody could see in anymore.

Ok, but this enhances my point even more! If you saw that and the police ignored you, would you just continue as if nothing was going on???

The neighbours blame the police. My point is that there is shared responsibility. Too often, the police are made the easy fall guys when they sometimes they need more citizen assistance (like in this case).

Allyall · 08-05-2013 11:51AM

InchicoreDude wrote: »

Ok, but this enhances my point even more! If you saw that and the police ignored you, would you just continue as if nothing was going on???

The neighbours blame the police. My point is that there is shared responsibility. Too often, the police are made the easy fall guys when they sometimes they need more citizen assistance (like in this case).

Yeah, I'm agreeing with you. I pointed that out, as in it's even stranger.
If I saw three girls being walked around my neighbours back garden (Presumably crying) naked, with Dog Collars, and the the neighbour put up tarpaulin blocking my view because they knew i reported it to the Police... I'd be keeping a much closer eye on that house and the owner.

The thing i thought was freaky was, that one neighbour reported seeing a girl holding a baby in the attic, and banging on the window. Another neighbour heard "pounding" coming from the inside of the house, "as if somebody was trying to break out".. :eek:

Do the neighbours not speak to each other at these barbecues?

WTF.

Mint Sauce · 08-05-2013 11:52AM

Quite a shocking story, and seems the local law enforcement and the authorities have a lot to answer for.

On a lighter note, Charles Ramsey though seems to be the hero of the moment though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZcRU0Op5P4

Lollipops23 · 08-05-2013 11:54AM

Jesus, judging by the transcript of the call that dispatcher should be disciplined and re-trained. She sounded like Amanda was a mere hindrance to her, when the girl was so clearly distraught.

missing girls found alive

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