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Voice of Ireland (Season 2)
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Harold Jolly Sealskin wrote: »He wasn't, 'twas Richie Hayes and Vanessa whelan.
Hangs head in shame for remembering this
Whoops
The final 4's songs are on ITunes now if anyone wants to buy :P
How can anyone understand what Keith is singing is beyond me0 -
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I don't know why everyone is getting so worked up over the result. Keith was not the best singer in the competition, but neither was Kelly. She has a nice voice but she's hardly the next Adele. Far better singers were voted off much earlier than her. Anyone who thinks that her being from Cork, being pregnant and being a member of the traveling community didn't play a large part in her getting to the final two is seriously deluded.
Without any disrespect intended, I think you're missing the point here...
The point is that Kelly sang better than Keith on the night, and overall - and yet she still lost to him.
It doesn't matter that she wasn't the best singer in the competition and is far from being the next Adele. Her county, her pregnancy and her background don't matter either.More importantly though, does it really make a blind bit of difference who won? This is the voice of Ireland we're talking about here, not American Idol. Anyone who's appeared as a contestant on the show this year will be lucky to have even a minor bit of success in Ireland, and haven't a hope of achieving anything internationally.
It is true that it doesn't really make a difference who won, and that none of the contestants have much hope of even making it big nationally, let alone internationally.
But the fact will always remain that a poor singer beat many other better ones to win...0 -
Go Harvey Go wrote: »Without any disrespect intended, I think you're missing the point here...
The point is that Kelly sang better than Keith on the night, and overall - and yet she still lost to him.
It doesn't matter that she wasn't the best singer in the competition and is far from being the next Adele. Her county, her pregnancy and her background don't matter either.
It is true that it doesn't really make a difference who won, and that none of the contestants have much hope of even making it big nationally, let alone internationally.
But the fact will always remain that a poor singer beat many other better ones to win...
And Kelly beat many other better singers to make it to the final two. So I don't think I'm missing the point at all. I don't understand why everyone can ignore that fact but then start screaming about some kind of injustice when she doesn't win.
I agree that her county, pregnancy and background don't matter. I never said they did and I'm sure there were plenty of people who voted for her purely based on her singing, but to say that those factors didn't influence some voters in any way is far fetched.
You say the point is that Kelly sang better than Keith on the night, but then you also say it doesn't matter that she hadn't the best voice in the competition. So it's OK for her to make it to the final over singers who are much better than her, but it's not OK for her to be beaten in the final by a singer who's worse than her. It's that kind of contradictory nonsense that I don't understand.
Any notion of fairness in this show went out the window weeks back when the public first started voting and were putting the weaker singers through. In fact, in Kelly's first live show she gave the worst performance out of team Kian but was saved by the public. That's OK though, that's fair. Now that she hasn't won though let's all kick up a fuss.0 -
Go Harvey Go wrote: »It is true that it doesn't really make a difference who won, and that none of the contestants have much hope of even making it big nationally, let alone internationally.
But the fact will always remain that a poor singer beat many other better ones to win...
Go Harvey Go, sometimes in these competitions the runner-up actually goes on to have a better career than the winner.
Look at Olly Murs, he was beaten in the X Factor Final back in 2009 by Joe McElderry. Olly went on to have a bigger and more successful career.
Another example is Susan Boyle, she was beaten by Diversity in the 2009 Britain's Got Talent Final and she went on to have great career. Hopefully Kelly will do the same
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And Kelly beat many other better singers to make it to the final two. So I don't think I'm missing the point at all. I don't understand why everyone can ignore that fact but then start screaming about some kind of injustice when she doesn't win.
Well, I wouldn't say that everyone ignored the fact that Kelly beat many other better singers.
And I wouldn't say that many people would deny that fact, either.
But with Keith and Shane also beating the better singers, there was no real choice but to support Kelly and Shannon in the final - being the best of a bad bunch...
And when Shannon faltered, that left just Kelly.You say the point is that Kelly sang better than Keith on the night, but then you also say it doesn't matter that she hadn't the best voice in the competition. So it's OK for her to make it to the final over singers who are much better than her, but it's not OK for her to be beaten in the final by a singer who's worse than her. It's that kind of contradictory nonsense that I don't understand.
Did I actually say that it was OK for her to make it to the final over singers who are much better than her? I don't think so, somehow...
When I said that it didn't matter that she didn't have the best voice in the competition, I meant that in terms of the final.
As regards the whole series, of course, it did matter to some extent that she didn't have the best voice. And it certainly would have mattered if better singers than her had made the final in place of Keith and Shane, and she had beaten these better singers.Any notion of fairness in this show went out the window weeks back when the public first started voting and were putting the weaker singers through. In fact, in Kelly's first live show she gave the worst performance out of team Kian but was saved by the public. That's OK though, that's fair. Now that she hasn't won though let's all kick up a fuss.
This show was never fair in the first place anyway.
If it had been, then Keith and Shane probably wouldn't even have made it past the blind auditions... 0 -
Go Harvey Go, sometimes in these competitions the runner-up actually goes on to have a better career than the winner.
Look at Olly Murs, he was beaten in the X Factor Final back in 2009 by Joe McElderry. Olly went on to have a bigger and more successful career.
Another example is Susan Boyle, she was beaten by Diversity in the 2009 Britain's Got Talent Final and she went on to have great career. Hopefully Kelly will do the same
When was the last time a winner or runner up from any Irish talent show has done well here or outside of Ireland?
Simon Cowell signs up most of the finalists on X Factor and BGT so he can market them correctly and well and put his money behind them
Who do Ireland have to back any talent though?
I wish all the finalists well but I don't see any of them having big careers here or abroad, maybe TV3 will give Kelly her own reality show
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When was the last time a winner or runner up from any Irish talent show has done well here or outside of Ireland?
Simon Cowell signs up most of the finalists on X Factor and BGT so he can market them correctly and well and put his money behind them
Who do Ireland have to back any talent though?
I wish all the finalists well but I don't see any of them having big careers here or abroad, maybe TV3 will give Kelly her own reality show
Very true, unfortunately. A while back I said the best chance of someone doing well from TVOI would be to have a clip go viral internationally.. That might well have happened to Kelly if she had gone into labour while on stage, but it didn't happen.
Simon Cowell was interested in Six for a while, their Popstars show was show on SM:TV Live (when that was a key programme for Pop acts). But he lost interest and has never signed up any subsequent Irish Reality Show acts.When was the last time a winner or runner up from any Irish talent show has done well here or outside of Ireland?
Does Nadine Coyle count? She did well out of Popstars, especially when she got kicked out of Six. Louis made sure she got a break on Pop Stars: The Rivals, and she went on to success with Girls Aloud.
Brian Ormond got to the last 10 of Pop Idol Series 2 (having been on You're a Star) but he never had a recording career. Una Healy was on You're a Star a few times but I don't think that helped her get into The Saturdays.0 -
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So a guy who dances like a marionette with Tourettes and sings in a funny muffled blur wins.:eek: So typical of Irish talent shows, its embarrassing and cringe-worthy. The guy would not even get past the producer auditions on xfactor or BGT. He is talentless, over stagey and tuneless. A joke act.
All the best singers had left this contest and we were left with last nights offering. Kelly has a good enough voice but needs vocal training and experience, but if she follows the usual pattern of traveller women, she will have a baby again next year and her talent will be wasted. I hope I am wrong as she has raw talent.
So many good singers gone due to parochial voting and the tweenie "he is fit "vote for useless Shane and the granny one for cringey, mamas boy Keith. AArggh.:mad:0 -
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It might have had a small increase in sales. But those singers performed in front of hundreds of thousands of viewers every week. That is far exposure than any limited Radio play would brought them. And no Radio Station is going to change their Playlist at short notice to accommodate poor cover versions by Reality Show Contestants.
Frankly, their dismal Chart Performance indicates that the Radio Station were correct not to give them airtime. The public are aware of these singers, they just aren't interested in their songs.
You, my friend, haven't a f**king clue what you're on about Dismal chart performance does not indicate lack of quality. The only thing a dismal chart performance shows is lack of airplay. The vast majority of the music consuming public in this country hadn't a clue who these people were and never saw the show. The only people that watch these shows are people that know people on the show, or people that know people from their area...and culchies.
The people that watch the show are not music consumers. They are merely casual music fans (Hence why so many terrible acts get voted through each week). Do you reckon your average FM104 listener watches The Voice? Doubtful. Does the average PhantomFM lister watch The Voice? Unlikely. And before you accuse me of being Dublin centric, I must add that Dublin consumers contribute to the majority of unit sales to IRMA.
It may not be your cup of tea, but your sneer towards these type of shows is getting in the way of you having an unbiased argument.0 -
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Now, now -there is no need for that kind of language. I am well aware of the importance of Radio Airplay. But you are deluding yourself if you think there are no occasion where songs can do well in the charts without significant airplay.
Didn't say that...
This is the biggest Talent Show in the Country. It is regularly either number one or number two in the TV Ratings. The equivalent of the X Factor in the UK. The winners of that competition don't have any problem getting huge sales in their release week.
Ah, that's the UK. That's not comparing like with like. The UK have a healthy music business where local artists actually get air play and exposure. This is Ireland. We are still feeding off the BBC and Sky for our entertainment. Anything home grown is usually seen as sh*te, mainly because it's Irish.
Even "Three Lions" broke the Top 10 in Ireland back in 96
Do you really think if BBC Radio 1 didn't give the winner of that show any airplay it would struggle to break into the UK Top 40?
No. I never said that about BBC Radio 1. Stop twisting my words and actually listen to them before talking bollocks.You only need 500 sales most weeks to break into the Irish Top 40. If you can't manage that when you are performing on a show which has over 500,000 viewers then something is wrong.
Certainly is something wrong. Not necessarily something wrong with the quality of release. I wasn't a huge fan of all of the four finalists, but there was at least 1 that was quality.And it isn't the lack of Radio airplay. Six had the third biggest selling single in Ireland when they were on a Reality Show. The people who watched the show bought the record, not Radio listeners who stumbled onto the song.
Different times. That show was a first for Irish shores. It was a novelty. Everyone was glued. After that, the shows became stagnant, predictable, so people stopped watching them, unless they knew someone on it.PJ and Duncan got to Number One in the UK a few weeks ago, it was amazing how TV viewers managed to figure out how to download a song from itunes
Oh, Ant & Dec, Britians most popular TV hosts with millions of viewers each week? Nah, surely not. Imagine the amount of times that clip was shared on Youtube, which refreshed peoples memory, who then went online and bought it.If only their Irish counterparts could do the same - isn't that right Pat? People who watch Television are very capable of buying music. .
The bog standard Irish music consumer would rather watch British TV than Irish TV.You seem to have a chip on your shoulder about how Irish Radio Stations don't give airplay to Irish Artists. While you may have a point in general, it isn't a solid argument for these singers.
Yes, it is.Their songs were only recorded on Sunday Night.
No, they weren't. They were recorded in a studio the week before.No Radio Station is going to tear up their Playlist at short notice to accommodate these songs./QUOTE]
What? Radio stations change their playlist almost every day.The performers need to go and write their own songs. if they are good enough, they will get the exposure and the sales they deserve.
HA! Really? Then why do we see quality Irish musicians falter due to lack of exposure from radio. No one in Irish radio gave a sh*te about Kodaline until BBC playlisted them. No one gave a sh*te about JJ72 until BBC playlisted them. Until Irish media stop piggybacking off the Brits, we are doomed to be just a nation of Geordie Shore watching Man United following Eastenders Obsessed West Brits.0 -
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