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2013 NFL DRAFT

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 253 ✭✭Heffo001


    HigginsJ wrote: »
    Tyler Bray a UDFA :eek: Chiefs picked him up.

    Colin Klein went to the Texans

    Wow, character concerns must be way worse than were let on. This guy was being talked about as a future number 1 overall selection before last season.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,746 ✭✭✭taidghbaby


    Just looking through so of the final drafts here now and have to say the Jags had a very good draft! They may not win much next year (and that's because of QB issues) but if/when they do get a decent QB they'll have the makings if a good team around him!

    49ers look to have drafted players for about 2 years down the road! Reid is the only one who'll start this year but Lemonier, carradine, Lattimore and Patton could all be very good in the future!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,012 ✭✭✭✭Alfred Borden


    lads did anyone sign Leon Sandcastle as a UDFA, cant see anything anywhere.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,825 ✭✭✭Mikeyt086


    taidghbaby wrote: »
    Just looking through so of the final drafts here now and have to say the Jags had a very good draft! They may not win much next year (and that's because of QB issues) but if/when they do get a decent QB they'll have the makings if a good team around him!

    49ers look to have drafted players for about 2 years down the road! Reid is the only one who'll start this year but Lemonier, carradine, Lattimore and Patton could all be very good in the future!

    I'm really happy with it. With our first 5 picks we got 3 nailed on starters and 2 offensive weapons. Then added much needed depth in the last rounds. Don't think there has ever been a Jags draft as successful.

    As for the QB situation, I think the idea is that having shored up the O-Line, whoever wins the QB competition at camp will have a chance to really show what they can do, and if they continue to suck we can take a QB next year. Also I'm sneakily hoping that Matt Scott has a good camp, a read option QB who had a good year last year after backing up Nick Foles for most of his college career.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,292 ✭✭✭Justin10


    Jags had a great draft, love the safety in the second.

    Delighted with the Chargers draft, arguably got the best RT, Linebacker and Wide Receiver in the draft.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,746 ✭✭✭taidghbaby


    Mikeyt086 wrote: »
    I'm really happy with it. With our first 5 picks we got 3 nailed on starters and 2 offensive weapons. Then added much needed depth in the last rounds. Don't think there has ever been a Jags draft as successful.

    As for the QB situation, I think the idea is that having shored up the O-Line, whoever wins the QB competition at camp will have a chance to really show what they can do, and if they continue to suck we can take a QB next year. Also I'm sneakily hoping that Matt Scott has a good camp, a read option QB who had a good year last year after backing up Nick Foles for most of his college career.
    I was expecting yas to take brad wing in the second...an upgrade on Anger!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 95 ✭✭robluvshandegg


    I thought the Cardinals had a very nice draft. Some really nice value found in each round. Mathieu, Swope, Okafor, and the Stanford running back, Taylor are all very nice additions in later rounds.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,426 ✭✭✭Jolly Red Giant


    Best drafts were by the 49ers and Seahawks.

    Happy with Denver's selections - they fill holes and provide quality depth.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,746 ✭✭✭taidghbaby


    Does anyone else prefer listening to Daniel Jeremiah over mike mayock or is it just me?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,444 ✭✭✭Dohnny Jepp


    taidghbaby wrote: »
    Does anyone else prefer listening to Daniel Jeremiah over mike mayock or is it just me?

    I normally love mayock. I just didn't like him killing the surprise during the draft


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,317 ✭✭✭HigginsJ


    With the Jags not taking a QB in the draft (Scott could be nice UDFA pick-up) would they have an interest in signing Tebow when Jets release him???


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 19,341 ✭✭✭✭Chucky the tree


    HigginsJ wrote: »
    With the Jags not taking a QB in the draft (Scott could be nice UDFA pick-up) would they have an interest in signing Tebow when Jets release him???


    No. Pretty sure the new GM said he isn't interested.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,746 ✭✭✭taidghbaby


    HigginsJ wrote: »
    With the Jags not taking a QB in the draft (Scott could be nice UDFA pick-up) would they have an interest in signing Tebow when Jets release him???

    Already turned down the option for a trade, but I don't see them taking him as a FA either!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,158 ✭✭✭Arawn


    Tebow wont get a new nfl team imo


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,825 ✭✭✭Mikeyt086


    Considering Tebow is a god in Florida, there could be an upside to bringing him in and trying to find a job for him, but really I don't think the new coaching staff like him at all.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,710 ✭✭✭✭Paully D


    Missed last night but I just noticed the Rams drafted Barrett Jones (one of my favourite lower ranked players). That gives them Tavon Austin, Alec Ogletree, Steadman Bailey, TJ McDonald, Barrett Jones, Brandon McGee and Zac Stacy. Unfortunately for them their in a division with two extremely strong teams, but they've absolutely killed that draft IMO.

    It's scary to see what the 49ers have added too. Imagine if Tank Carradine comes back 100% fit! Reid, Lattimore, Dial, McDonald, Leminore and Patton are all very nice picks.

    I was also impressed with the Vikings although with 3 first round picks anything less would be unthinkable. While not personally a Shariff Floyd fan the fact so many experts rank him so highly means you'd have to say well done to them getting him at 23. Patterson is going to either be a massive hit or complete bust but if he's the former they have got a steal, and Rhodes is one of the top 3 corners in the draft.

    On to my Ravens and I was delighted with us managing to get Arthur Brown at 56. IMO one of, if not the best value pick of the entire draft. I like the Elam fit (although I prefer Cyprien personally) and we also managed to pick up the Big 10 Defensive Player of the Year with 129th pick. Not a bad haul at all and impressive stuff from Ozzie and co as usual.

    The Eagles deserve a mention also, a very good start from Chip Kelly and co taking Johnson, Ertz (two great fits) and Barkley in the 4th round.

    I like what the Bills have managed to do at the WR spot but they pissed any praise from me away when they made that monstrosity of a pick taking Manuel at 16.

    Overall my favourite value picks - Arthur Brown (Ravens), John Cyprien (Jaguars), Barrett Jones (Rams), Marcus Lattimore (Niners), Sanders Commings (Chiefs), Jesse Williams (Seahawks), Jarvis Jones (Steelers), Eddie Lacy (Packers)

    Disliked picks - Travis Fredrick (Cowboys), DJ Hayden (Raiders), EJ Manuel (Bills), Ezekiel Ansah (Lions), Mike Glennon (Bucs)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,426 ✭✭✭Jolly Red Giant


    HigginsJ wrote: »
    With the Jags not taking a QB in the draft (Scott could be nice UDFA pick-up) would they have an interest in signing Tebow when Jets release him???
    I think Sanchez will leave the Jets before Tebow.
    Mikeyt086 wrote: »
    Considering Tebow is a god in Florida, there could be an upside to bringing him in and trying to find a job for him, but really I don't think the new coaching staff like him at all.
    He could sign autographs and open new shops


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 835 ✭✭✭kingcobra


    There is absolutely no place for Tebow in New York now, he's probably 4th on the depth chart and Rex Ryan and co. would be more than satisfied to get rid of all the unnecessary media attention Tebow brings. Sanchez is still a starting quarterback although I can't imagine the Jets having a great season regardless of what QB they have.

    As for my team the Cardinals, I thought they had a great draft and Bruce Arians has done a great job this offseason so far :D He's tidied up the offensive line and QB position and it's a marked improvement on last year. a couple rookie running backs doesn't do much harm either. I can see a winning season in sight again :P

    The Mathieu pick is risky but it'd be good to slot him in punt/kick returner position and save Peterson. I still think that he could end up going off the rails again pretty soon.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,929 ✭✭✭JaMarcus Hustle


    kingcobra wrote: »
    There is absolutely no place for Tebow in New York now, he's probably 4th on the depth chart and Rex Ryan and co. would be more than satisfied to get rid of all the unnecessary media attention Tebow brings. Sanchez is still a starting quarterback although I can't imagine the Jets having a great season regardless of what QB they have.

    As for my team the Cardinals, I thought they had a great draft and Bruce Arians has done a great job this offseason so far :D He's tidied up the offensive line and QB position and it's a marked improvement on last year. a couple rookie running backs doesn't do much harm either. I can see a winning season in sight again :P

    The Mathieu pick is risky but it'd be good to slot him in punt/kick returner position and save Peterson. I still think that he could end up going off the rails again pretty soon.

    Mathieu is a great returner, but if they take Peterson off of returns then they all deserve to be fired immediately. Too good a weapon to not use, regardless of protecting him.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,287 ✭✭✭davyjose


    kingcobra wrote: »
    Sanchez is still a starting quarterback although I can't imagine the Jets having a great season regardless of what QB they have.

    He isn't though. Let's put it in perspective: Sanchez played one season as USC's starting QB and was mediocre. Barkley started 4 seasons as USC's starter, and was significantly better -- even this year he was better.

    If Barkley isn't a starter, there is no f*ckin way Sanchez is.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 95 ✭✭robluvshandegg


    My 2nd Value guy is Brad Wing (Punter)! The guy is a top notch Aussie punter who has both power and accuracy. He will be a huge asset to any team looking to flip the field to help out a defence, and he even possesses some decent athleticism for a punter so he could be an interesting option on fakes. Would love to Chip Kelly get this guy for the Eagles, he'd definitely use him a few times. Brad%20Wing(2).gif

    WOOP WOOP! Chip Kelly comes through and picks up a weapon for the special team! :D


  • Posts: 10,091 ✭✭✭✭ Karson Large Zenith


    Guys can I get some neutral views on matt Barkley my heart keeps linking him to Tom Brady with his "lack of a strong arm",his high intangibles and his promise to never forget falling in the daft and he's going to be a top 5 qb
    But my head is telling me he fell for a reason and is a wait and see how he does player

    What do ye think


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 835 ✭✭✭kingcobra


    davyjose wrote: »
    He isn't though. Let's put it in perspective: Sanchez played one season as USC's starting QB and was mediocre. Barkley started 4 seasons as USC's starter, and was significantly better -- even this year he was better.

    If Barkley isn't a starter, there is no f*ckin way Sanchez is.

    This is the Jets we're talking about here and Sanchez started the majority of last year, not that he deserved to but because they have no one else.

    Obviously Geno is a bit of a step-up, certainly for the long term, but it'll take some guts for Rex Ryan to pit every game of the season on a rookie QB in order to keep his job; and Geno certainly isn't near the level RG3 and Andrew Luck were going into last season. The same goes for Garrard who hasn't played since 2010 and is only new to the Jets system, unless of course either Garrard or Smith seriously impress him.
    As for Tim Tebow, well, I don't really knowwhat's going on with him at the minute :rolleyes:
    Ryan will either cut Tebow or Sanchez this offseason but after that 3 or 4 QB's could easily end up starting any one game. Competition will be fierce indeed!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,094 ✭✭✭TO.


    Guys can I get some neutral views on matt Barkley my heart keeps linking him to Tom Brady with his "lack of a strong arm",his high intangibles and his promise to never forget falling in the daft and he's going to be a top 5 qb
    But my head is telling me he fell for a reason and is a wait and see how he does player

    What do ye think

    He has issues with his game that need to be fixed. The reason most of those QBs fell is that most teams want a NFL ready QB and lets face it that draft class wasn't exactly the right class for game ready QBs. Barkley has probably the best coaching staff available to him now to get fixed and turned into a good QB. Will he be an elite QB? Who knows at this point but Chip will make sure he gets the best out of Matt.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,444 ✭✭✭Dohnny Jepp


    Guys can I get some neutral views on matt Barkley my heart keeps linking him to Tom Brady with his "lack of a strong arm",his high intangibles and his promise to never forget falling in the daft and he's going to be a top 5 qb
    But my head is telling me he fell for a reason and is a wait and see how he does player

    What do ye think

    In my opinion, I have no like or dislike towards him. His arm strength is not as week as his critics say. His accuracy is not as good as his fans say. His biggest strength is his brain and his feet.

    He has the potential to be a successful qb for the next 10 or more years.

    I heard him being compared to matt schaub which is a better comparison for him than brady.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,335 ✭✭✭smackbunnybaby


    I think the fact Barkley has a good brain and feet bodes well for him in the long term.
    He could mature into an effective QB rather than a world beater if he fully understands his strengths and weaknesses.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 385 ✭✭deise_boi


    Paully D wrote: »
    ...I like what the Bills have managed to do at the WR spot but they pissed any praise from me away when they made that monstrosity of a pick taking Manuel at 16....

    Nice post Paully, but I really have to take you up on this :pac: Maybe it's because I'm wearing my Bills hat, but I think its a bit premature to be labelling the Manuel pick as a monstrosity! I'm impressed by how they approached the situation - they needed to trade down and gain extra picks, which they did. they then had their pick of the QBs left in play, and took their guy. Job done. Plan executed. Along with that they were able to deny a quality WR prospect in Tavon Austin from going to the Jets and haunting us for years to come :P

    As for Manuel, I'm not sure if he'll be the next JP Losman or the next Jim Kelly for us, but what I do know is that Nix, Marrone & Hackett handpicked the biggest, most athletic and arguably strongest-armed QB in this years class. His quick release should allow him to execute the new WCO at a very high level, while his legs will allow for the threat of the read option (until that eventually gets figured out). He's definitely not without his faults, but obviously few QBs coming out are. He's not as pro-ready as the others, was inconsistent across games and his mechanics are a bit off, but he should be able to sit behind Kolb/Jackson if the coaches feel he needs time to develop. Though I'd rather they didn't throw him to the wolves straight away, if he does similar to Wilson in camp last year then I have faith that he can take over the offense - he's a leader.

    I just think it's refreshing that the front office identified their man, stuck to their plan and pulled the trigger before any others could (I believe that the Eagles were very high on him). It's just a little bit OTT to say the pick was so horrific they were able to add much needed picks and still get their target. Time will tell I suppose!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,626 ✭✭✭rockonollie


    Only thing worse than being considered a top prospect and sitting and waiting through the first round......being drafted by the Jets in the second round.

    Looks like Geno's career is over before it started.......

    Also, I loved how the former player announcing the Bengals pick made the Jets $hit themselves by saying the Bengals had selected Geno-vani Bernard.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,710 ✭✭✭✭Paully D


    deise_boi wrote: »
    Nice post Paully, but I really have to take you up on this :pac: Maybe it's because I'm wearing my Bills hat, but I think its a bit premature to be labelling the Manuel pick as a monstrosity! I'm impressed by how they approached the situation - they needed to trade down and gain extra picks, which they did. they then had their pick of the QBs left in play, and took their guy. Job done. Plan executed. Along with that they were able to deny a quality WR prospect in Tavon Austin from going to the Jets and haunting us for years to come :P

    As for Manuel, I'm not sure if he'll be the next JP Losman or the next Jim Kelly for us, but what I do know is that Nix, Marrone & Hackett handpicked the biggest, most athletic and arguably strongest-armed QB in this years class. His quick release should allow him to execute the new WCO at a very high level, while his legs will allow for the threat of the read option (until that eventually gets figured out). He's definitely not without his faults, but obviously few QBs coming out are. He's not as pro-ready as the others, was inconsistent across games and his mechanics are a bit off, but he should be able to sit behind Kolb/Jackson if the coaches feel he needs time to develop. Though I'd rather they didn't throw him to the wolves straight away, if he does similar to Wilson in camp last year then I have faith that he can take over the offense - he's a leader.

    I just think it's refreshing that the front office identified their man, stuck to their plan and pulled the trigger before any others could (I believe that the Eagles were very high on him). It's just a little bit OTT to say the pick was so horrific they were able to add much needed picks and still get their target. Time will tell I suppose!

    Yeah to be fair it was hyperbole on my part to call the pick a monstrosity before he has even thrown a ball for the Bills, so apologies for that, but I just really don't like the pick.

    No complaints on the draft plan at all, in fact it was executed very well, but I just shook my head when they'd done the hard work of trading down to get the extra picks with quite a decent trade, only to pick Manuel.

    He's a terrific athlete, but in the NFL that just doesn't cut it like it does in college. I think it says all about this QB class that he is ranked as one of the better guys. I'd have put him down as very much a project QB worthy of around a 4th round pick. In the interest of fairness I will say that I do like his arm too.

    Some things I don't like about his play/prospects; if he doesn't like what he sees from his #1 target he just runs, he may often only get tight windows on his 2nd or 3rd target in the NFL and I'm not sure he'll be good enough to complete those passes. He'll have to basically learn how to play a pro-style offense due to his college offense being so basic. He played average football against a lot of good defenses in college with most of his better performances coming against poor defenses. From what I've seen I also don't think he's good at reading defenses and defensive co-ordinators will absolutely pounce on this.

    I'm of the opinion that if you draft someone in the first round that you should get some sort of production straight away unless they are sitting and learning from a top player at the position. At the current time, Manuel is, in my opinion, just not near good enough to start in the NFL. He seems a nice guy and I actually hope he does well but I think with this pick the Bills will eventually end up with a player who frustrated more than anything else and was ultimately not a QB good enough to lead a franchise, which is what you want when you take a QB in the first round of the draft.

    As you say, time will tell :)


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,224 ✭✭✭✭SantryRed


    deise_boi wrote: »
    Nice post Paully, but I really have to take you up on this :pac: Maybe it's because I'm wearing my Bills hat, but I think its a bit premature to be labelling the Manuel pick as a monstrosity! I'm impressed by how they approached the situation - they needed to trade down and gain extra picks, which they did. they then had their pick of the QBs left in play, and took their guy. Job done. Plan executed. Along with that they were able to deny a quality WR prospect in Tavon Austin from going to the Jets and haunting us for years to come :P

    As for Manuel, I'm not sure if he'll be the next JP Losman or the next Jim Kelly for us, but what I do know is that Nix, Marrone & Hackett handpicked the biggest, most athletic and arguably strongest-armed QB in this years class. His quick release should allow him to execute the new WCO at a very high level, while his legs will allow for the threat of the read option (until that eventually gets figured out). He's definitely not without his faults, but obviously few QBs coming out are. He's not as pro-ready as the others, was inconsistent across games and his mechanics are a bit off, but he should be able to sit behind Kolb/Jackson if the coaches feel he needs time to develop. Though I'd rather they didn't throw him to the wolves straight away, if he does similar to Wilson in camp last year then I have faith that he can take over the offense - he's a leader.

    I just think it's refreshing that the front office identified their man, stuck to their plan and pulled the trigger before any others could (I believe that the Eagles were very high on him). It's just a little bit OTT to say the pick was so horrific they were able to add much needed picks and still get their target. Time will tell I suppose!

    Could have got Tavon Austin and then got EJ Manuel in the 2nd round. Would have been much better off that way if they think Manuel is their guy.


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