The Academies

opinionatedfan · 18-04-2013 12:25AM

I would think we need to identify a guy in the next year or so.

Haven't been very impressed by anyone coming out of schools lately.

ormond lad · 18-04-2013 01:29AM

opinionatedfan wrote: »

thanks, would be pretty surprising if Sean McCarthy didn't make the academy aswell right?

Also what height would you put either O'Shea or Madigan at?

Madigan is 6'6+. Don't know much about O'Shea.
Would it really? Id rate Madigan and O'Shea as better than McCarthy except McCarthy has had the added publicity that playing in an A school competing in the Senior Cupbrings.

Stanza2 wrote: »

Madigan is about 6'7" a great talent, was an Irish youth player last year. He has a great future in the game.

Very good future. Helped by how his father played top level club rugby in 70s with Bohs and how he is just a monstrous kid.

backgreen wrote: »

niall horan also in academy

opinionatedfan wrote: »

I would think we need to identify a guy in the next year or so.
Haven't been very impressed by anyone coming out of schools lately.

Think between Youths and Schools there will be a few talented youngsters coming through in the next year or two if this years under 17 youths competition and schools and youths under 18 interpros go and have gone.

opinionatedfan · 18-04-2013 02:01AM

Just a sense I got that McCarthy was highly rated down that way.

I think Rock or McCarthy could be possible prospects for the academy but they both have a lot to work on to get there in my opinion. Luckily both are leaving school as under-18's, gives them a lot of time before they are overage for u20's rugby. Which seems to be the cutoff point at Leinster for an academy spot.

Rory Scannell got a Munster academy spot according to James Cronin on twitter. Not really a surprise.

Creeby · 18-04-2013 10:32AM

Any word on Leinster academy offers?

opinionatedfan · 18-04-2013 10:34AM

Creeby wrote: »

Any word on Leinster academy offers?

If your looking for an official announcement you'll be waiting awhile.

RobbieRuns · 18-04-2013 12:20PM

I don't think that any Academy makes "official" announcements.

opinionatedfan · 18-04-2013 01:12PM

RobbieRuns wrote: »

I don't think that any Academy makes "official" announcements.

They do, usually around June. Well at least Munster and Leinster do officially.

RobbieRuns · 18-04-2013 02:29PM

I thought that they even wait until the interpro's were completed before deciding on full numbers, particularly Sub Academies?

opinionatedfan · 18-04-2013 02:31PM

RobbieRuns wrote: »

I thought that they even wait until the interpro's were completed before deciding on full numbers, particularly Sub Academies?

yeah sub-academy isn't ever announced, but the full academy members usually are announced and added to the website etc.

ormond lad · 18-04-2013 02:41PM

RobbieRuns wrote: »

I thought that they even wait until the interpro's were completed before deciding on full numbers, particularly Sub Academies?

Vast majority of places decided before Septembers interpros. Players wanted to train over summer full time before colleges back
Sub Academy changes the whole time and numbers vary depending on time of year.

lurtz · 19-04-2013 01:08PM

ormond lad wrote: »

Vast majority of places decided before Septembers interpros. Players wanted to train over summer full time before colleges back
Sub Academy changes the whole time and numbers vary depending on time of year.

this year for the sub academy leinster have introduced contracts I hear

opinionatedfan · 19-04-2013 01:28PM

lurtz wrote: »

this year for the sub academy leinster have introduced contracts I hear

interesting development.

ormond lad · 25-04-2013 11:11PM

Don't know anything more on academy contracts but Dan Goggin and Lee Nicolas who were both in Munchins this year have been added to the Munster Sub Academy

opinionatedfan · 26-04-2013 07:15PM

Rory Parata chose connacht apparently.

lurtz · 27-04-2013 12:39AM

opinionatedfan wrote: »

Rory Parata chose connacht apparently.

well I presume you're just saying that cos hes on the A team, havent heard anything either way but it would seem like hes going west alright

opinionatedfan · 29-04-2013 08:19PM

Parata to Connacht confirmed by his dad on connachtclan.

Had some interesting comments about how fast kids were brought through at Connacht versus Munster, specifying the B&I cup in particular as the next step after the AIL.

backgreen · 30-04-2013 12:10AM

opinionatedfan wrote: »

Parata to Connacht confirmed by his dad on connachtclan.

Had some interesting comments about how fast kids were brought through at Connacht versus Munster, specifying the B&I cup in particular as the next step after the AIL.

he was more or less saying that he's son got 15 min of B&I last week from Connacht,which he would't have got from Munster

opinionatedfan · 30-04-2013 12:15AM

backgreen wrote: »

he was more or less saying that he's son got 15 min of B&I last week from Connacht,which he would't have got from Munster

His overall point is a valid one though.

Look at the average age of Munster's B&I team versus the average age of Leinster's last week.

Mahatma Geansai · 30-04-2013 12:38AM

opinionatedfan wrote: »

His overall point is a valid one though.

Look at the average age of Munster's B&I team versus the average age of Leinster's last week.

There is a little over a year difference in the average ages of both teams. All of the older Munster players have younger players ahead of them in the pecking order too.

opinionatedfan · 30-04-2013 12:50AM

Leinster's starting back line was younger in every position apart from 10 where they were the same age.

Age gap of at least 5 years at the same position, Munster had 2 players 5 years younger than their opposite.
Leinster had 5 players 5 years or younger.

Munster's 2: 25 years old, Munster's 30 years old
Munster's 6: 30 years old, Leinster's: 22 years old and was replaced early in the game by an 18 year old.
Munster's 7: 26 years old, Leinster's: 20 years old
Munster's 8: 23 years old, Leinster's 28 years old
Munster's 9: 27 years old, Leinster's: 20 years old
Munster's 13: 23 years old, Leinster's: 18 years old
Munster's 15: 24 years old, Leinster's: 20 years old

Winters · 30-04-2013 09:57AM

Leavy was awesome in the SCT final last year. To see him playing for Leinster A and holding his own only a wet year into the academy is great. Does he play solely at 6?

I would find it hard to find another academy system that has produced as many rugby Internationals as the Irish Academies have per capita.

Edit. I'm just waiting for someone to mention BNZ.

Bogota · 30-04-2013 10:04AM

Leinster have some exciting players coming through at the moment : Adam Byrne, Billy Dardis, Gilsenan, Leavy, JVDF

Add those to Luke McGrath and Jordi Murphy and its really hard not to get very excited.

lurtz · 30-04-2013 10:39AM

Winters wrote: »

Leavy was awesome in the SCT final last year. To see him playing for Leinster A and holding his own only a wet year into the academy is great. Does he play solely at 6?

I would find it hard to find another academy system that has produced as many rugby Internationals as the Irish Academies have per capita.

Edit. I'm just waiting for someone to mention BNZ.

he's capable of playing across the backrow

irishbucsfan · 30-04-2013 01:43PM

To be fair we're concentrating the majority of the Irish rugby population into the Leinster academy. So as awesome as it is, we have fantastic playing resources coming in every year as well.

lurtz · 01-05-2013 10:55AM

corey hircock going back to bedford blues from munster academy

case885 · 01-05-2013 11:04PM

Any great 13s coming through?

opinionatedfan · 01-05-2013 11:09PM

case885 wrote: »

Any great 13s coming through?

maybe Adam Byrne at Leinster.

Plays 13 and wing. Only 18 and started the B&I semi final last weekend at 13.

I'd like to see what Start Olding could do at 13.

case885 · 01-05-2013 11:43PM

opinionatedfan wrote: »

maybe Adam Byrne at Leinster.

Plays 13 and wing. Only 18 and started the B&I semi final last weekend at 13.

I'd like to see what Start Olding could do at 13.

Great talent but with Jackson at 10 and Marshall at 12 he will find it hard to get game time in them positions so 13 should definitely be looked at alright

opinionatedfan · 01-05-2013 11:57PM

Under-20s Squad.

Leinster Academy
Edward Bryne - Prop
Brian Byrne - Hooker
Gavin Thornbury - Lock
Dan Leavy - Flanker
Josh Van Der Flier - Flanker
Luke McGrath - Scrumhalf

Ulster Academy
Jake Caulfield - Prop
Conor Joyce - Flanker
Rory Scholes - Fullback

Munster Academy
Ryan Murphy - Flanker
Darren Sweetnam - Fullback

Peter Dooley - Prop(rumored to be joining Leinster Academy this summer)
Adam Boland - Prop
Niall Horan - Prop(rumored to be joining Munster Academy this summer)
Brian Scott - Prop
Chris Taylor - Prop
John Andrew - Hooker
John Donnan - Lock
Sean McCarthy - Lock
Peadar Timmins - Flanker
John Creighton - Scrumhalf
David Shanahan - Scrumhalf
Steve Crosbie - Flyhalf(rumored to be joining Leinster Academy this summer)
Tom Daly - Centre(rumored to be joining Leinster Academy this summer)
Mark Roche - Centre
Rory Scannell - Centre(rumored to be joining Munster Academy this summer)
Max McFarland - Wing
David Panter - Fullback

lurtz · 02-05-2013 10:07AM

case885 wrote: »

Any great 13s coming through?

rory o'loughlin and andy marks are quality talents

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