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stretchdoe · 19-04-2013 02:00AM

Duggy747 wrote: »

Bottom left, you can see one of the suspects legging it minus their bag

You can't see him 'legging it minus his bag'.

If, in fact, that is the same person as in the video, the backwards white cap would suggest it's possible, much of his body is obscured by a girl in the shot.

He could be holding his bag in his right hand; or perhaps he's minus his bag for other reasons not related to him being responsible for the bombing.

Perhaps he's a person of interest: but there's no need to imply things without any kind of genuinely implicating facts.

That's the problem with much of this internet sleuthing.

space_man · 19-04-2013 02:07AM

stretchdoe wrote: »

You can't see him 'legging it minus his bag'.

If, in fact, that is the same person as in the video, the backwards white cap would suggest it's possible, much of his body is obscured by a girl in the shot.

He could be holding his bag in his right hand; or perhaps he's minus his bag for other reasons not related to him being responsible for the bombing.

Perhaps he's a person of interest: but there's no need to imply things without any kind of genuinely implicating facts.

That's the problem with much of this internet sleuthing.

I think the FBI are highlighting them 'cos of their casual behaviour after the bombs exploded.
That said I do hope they got the right guys.
As an Irish person who lived in England during the troubles, I now what it's like to be scapegoated.

Seachmall · 19-04-2013 02:08AM

stretchdoe wrote: »

You can't see him 'legging it minus his bag'.

If, in fact, that is the same person as in the video, the backwards white cap would suggest it's possible, much of his body is obscured by a girl in the shot.

He could be holding his bag in his right hand; or perhaps he's minus his bag for other reasons not related to him being responsible for the bombing.

Perhaps he's a person of interest: but there's no need to imply things without any kind of genuinely implicating facts.

That's the problem with much of this internet sleuthing.

The FBI have named him as a suspect and stated they have video of him placing the bomb several minutes before it exploded.

He's not a person of interest, he has been confirmed as one of the bombers by the FBI. At this stage referring to him as a "suspect" is a legal issue.

stretchdoe · 19-04-2013 02:10AM

old_aussie wrote: »

FBI release CCTV pictures.

http://www.theage.com.au/world/boston-bombs-fbi-release-images-20130419-2i3pf.html?google_editors_picks=true

The FBI spokesman in the video says 'Suspect 2 set down a back-pack just at the site of the second explosion, just in front of the forum restaurant'.

How do they know that?
What evidence do they have?
Is there video of that?

Seachmall · 19-04-2013 02:11AM

stretchdoe wrote: »

The FBI spokesman in the video says 'Suspect 2 set down a back-pack just at the site of the second explosion, just in front of the forum restaurant'.

How do they know that?
What evidence do they have?
Is there video of that?

Yes, they confirmed they have video (or images, can't remember) of Suspect 2 placing the bag down several minutes before it exploded.

Duggy747 · 19-04-2013 02:12AM

stretchdoe wrote: »

Perhaps he's a person of interest: but there's no need to imply things without any kind of genuinely implicating facts.

That's the problem with much of this internet sleuthing.

No perhaps about it, he's a suspect and has been confirmed by footage (that they have not publicly released) to have been seen in footage placing the bag.

stretchdoe · 19-04-2013 02:13AM

Seachmall wrote: »

The FBI have named him as a suspect and stated they have video of him placing the bomb several minutes before it exploded.

He's not a person of interest, he has been confirmed as one of the bombers by the FBI. At this stage referring to him as a "suspect" is a legal issue.

Thanks, didn't know that.

Have they released video evidence of him setting the bag down/placing the bomb?

There'd be no reason i think of not to release that video, also.

space_man · 19-04-2013 02:14AM

Seachmall wrote: »

The FBI have named him as a suspect and stated they have video of him placing the bomb several minutes before it exploded.

He's not a person of interest, he has been confirmed as one of the bombers by the FBI. At this stage referring to him as a "suspect" is a legal issue.

CNN said they also have footage of them hanging around after the bombs exploded and then causally walking away.

Seachmall · 19-04-2013 02:17AM

stretchdoe wrote: »

Thanks, didn't know that.

Have they released video evidence of him setting the bag down/placing the bomb?

There'd be no reason i think of not to release that video, also.

They probably have a bunch of footage, I'd imagine they only released the video and images where their faces are as clearly visible as they can be so as not to flood the media and public with unhelpful material.

stretchdoe · 19-04-2013 02:20AM

Duggy747 wrote: »

No perhaps about it, he's a suspect and has been confirmed by footage (that they have not publicly released) to have been seen in footage placing the bag.

Why not release that footage too?

P.Walnuts · 19-04-2013 02:20AM

stretchdoe wrote: »

Thanks, didn't know that.

Have they released video evidence of him setting the bag down/placing the bomb?

There'd be no reason i think of not to release that video, also.

You can be sure the FBI were 100% sure these guys were the bombers when they labelled them "suspects" and released their pictures, probably have footage of them actually dropping the bags.

Zyzz · 19-04-2013 02:20AM

Latest reddit/4chan talk is that there was a student that pretty much vanished about a month ago who fits the description and build of the guy in the white cap. He has a mole on his face so if someone can find a high res image of him maybe they can be matched!

All it takes is one pic..crazy

Seachmall · 19-04-2013 02:21AM

stretchdoe wrote: »

Why not release that footage too?

If it doesn't clearly show their faces it would be of no benefit. It would take focus away from the footage and images that do show their faces.

space_man · 19-04-2013 02:23AM

Seachmall wrote: »

They probably have a bunch of footage, I'd imagine they only released the video and images where their faces are as clearly visible as they can be so as not to flood the media and public with unhelpful material.

it would be naive to think they'ld release everything.
for all we know, they may already be known to security services around the globe.

if so they wont be telling us.

stretchdoe · 19-04-2013 02:25AM

Seachmall wrote: »

They probably have a bunch of footage, I'd imagine they only released the video and images where their faces are as clearly visible as they can be so as not to flood the media and public with unhelpful material.

But if they're saying 'these are definetly our main supects and we have footage of one of them setting down the backpack/bomb' surely you'd release the footage you have of one of them setting down the back-pack bomb.

Why not do that?

Perhaps they're going to soon and just haven't done it yet.

SRFC · 19-04-2013 02:26AM

http://i.imgur.com/QVzbzeb.png the other suspect leaving the area

Seachmall · 19-04-2013 02:28AM

Zyzz wrote: »

Latest reddit/4chan talk is that there was a student that pretty much vanished about a month ago who fits the description and build of the guy in the white cap. He has a mole on his face so if someone can find a high res image of him maybe they can be matched!

All it takes is one pic..crazy

The scary thing about that guy is he left a note before vanishing which the FBI have refused to release and they expanded their search for him to 4 cities including Boston.

And he does look similar, although it's impossible to tell.

stretchdoe wrote: »

Why not do that?

so as not to flood the media and public with unhelpful material.

They're not looking to reassure us that these are the guys. They're looking for people to help identify them, showing us pictures of him placing the bomb doesn't help to identify him.

space_man · 19-04-2013 02:28AM

SRFC wrote: »

http://i.imgur.com/QVzbzeb.png the other suspect leaving the area

not so sure.

suspect had a white top under his jacket.
this guy's is black

P.Walnuts · 19-04-2013 02:31AM

stretchdoe wrote: »

But if they're saying 'these are definetly our main supects and we have footage of one of them setting down the backpack/bomb' surely you'd release the footage you have of one of them setting down the back-pack bomb.

Why not do that?

Perhaps they're going to soon and just haven't done it yet.

Law Enforcement never show their entire hand, so many reasons why they wouldn't release all of the footage.

Don't know why you are so suspicious, its pretty clear cut that these are the guys

P.Walnuts · 19-04-2013 02:32AM

Seachmall wrote: »

The scary thing about that guy is he left a note before vanishing which the FBI have refused to release and they expanded their search for him to 4 cities including Boston.

Can you link that story?

stretchdoe · 19-04-2013 02:32AM

Seachmall wrote: »

If it doesn't clearly show their faces it would be of no benefit. It would take focus away from the footage and images that do show their faces.

Of course it would be of benefit.

It would back up their claim that 'they have footage of one of them leaving down their back-pack at the site of the bombing' and would give anyone who actually knows who they are and might be able to identify them reason to think they might genuinely be responsible and therefore encourage them to give them up/give info.

It would also stop people asking 'why don't you show the footage you have that you think is one of them leaving down their back-pack at the site of the second bomb?'

space_man · 19-04-2013 02:33AM

Seachmall wrote: »

They're not looking to reassure us that these are the guys. They're looking for people to help identify them, showing us pictures of him placing the bomb doesn't help to identify him.

indeed
showing a pic of the guy's ass will hardly help

Fart · 19-04-2013 02:33AM

P.Walnuts wrote: »

Can you link that story?

Bit here.

SRFC · 19-04-2013 02:34AM

hmmm http://www.browndailyherald.com/topics/sunil-tripathi/

stretchdoe · 19-04-2013 02:36AM

P.Walnuts wrote: »

Law Enforcement never show their entire hand, so many reasons why they wouldn't release all of the footage.

Don't know why you are so suspicious, its pretty clear cut that these are the guys

I'm not 'suspicious'.

I'm only going on what i've seen here.

And i've absolutely no reason to think that it's clear cut 'these are the guys' beyond they're being some video evidence/photo-images of them released and the suggestion that they're the main suspects.

space_man · 19-04-2013 02:40AM

why would the FBI label these guys if they weren't certain?
i mean that makes no sense whatsoever.

P.Walnuts · 19-04-2013 02:40AM

stretchdoe wrote: »

I'm not 'suspicious'.

I'm only going on what i've seen here.

And i've absolutely no reason to think that it's clear cut 'these are the guys' beyond they're being some video evidence/photo-images of them released and the suggestion that they're the main suspects.

Do you honestly think the FBI would

1) Call them suspects

2) Release footage of their faces

3) Warn people not to appraoch them as they are most likely armed and dangerous

if they didn't have 100% hard evidence they were the bombers? Believe it or not, we don't have a divine right to know every last detail of a police operation, but its as clear as day anyway.

P.Walnuts · 19-04-2013 02:41AM

SRFC wrote: »

hmmm http://www.browndailyherald.com/topics/sunil-tripathi/

Must say i'm going to add fuel to this fire.....

Defo him!

stretchdoe · 19-04-2013 02:42AM

SRFC wrote: »

hmmm http://www.browndailyherald.com/topics/sunil-tripathi/

That's more possible evidence.

That looks like it could be one of them, i suppose.

I'm not suggesting that those the FBI have as their main suspects are not responsible.

I'm genuinely just asking why they haven't released the footage they said they have of one of them placing the bomb.

That footage is usually always released to the public on the rare occasion that that it is actually caught.

Seachmall · 19-04-2013 02:42AM

stretchdoe wrote: »

Of course it would be of benefit.

It would back up their claim that 'they have footage of one of them leaving down their back-pack at the site of the bombing' and would give anyone who actually knows who they are and might be able to identify them reason to think they might genuinely be responsible and therefore encourage them to give them up/give info.

It would also stop people asking 'why don't you show the footage you have that you think is one of them leaving down their back-pack at the site of the second bomb?'

At the end of the day publishing images that don't provide angles of his face do absolutely nothing to help identify him.

They're not looking to reassure people he actually is the bomber. Their goal right now, and their only goal right now, is to identify him.

If people do recognise them but haven't already picked up the phone then somebody else will.

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