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Maggie Thatcher death discussion thread - Mod rules in first post

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  • #1682
    space_man
    Closed Accounts Posts: 663 ✭✭✭space_man


    tomasocarthaigh wrote: »
    She will not be missed. Saw the film - they released it too early!!! - on her life, she was quite a leader and quite a woman, but then again Hitler was quite a man.

    She broke the little man to make the big man richer. Poor people were to be put in their place.

    She done worse to the English working classes than to us Irish, she had a willing fifth column here in the ranks of FF/FG, both of whom hated PIRA more than she did.

    Bad cess to her, and shes suffering now for hurting the least in society.

    As usual, I've a verse on the topic of her burial and passing, a satire as fits a low life like her!!!

    A1

    Saint Peter will have his work cut out
    When Maggie arrives at the gate
    Defending her legacy of hatred
    From when she was head of State.
    But the devil, he wont have her
    Hell, he wont let her within,
    No one deserves her as a neighbour
    No matter what their sin.

    She who in the the world of man,
    Was great, in human eyes,
    Will find that in the World Beyond
    That even the Evil despise
    As criminals do in jails some of their own
    The lowest of the low
    Will show their standards and boycott her
    When she goes Down Below.

    Bad cess to you, Maggie Thatcher
    Who flailed the Working Classes, at whose hands
    War was waged on Argentina,
    Who let die Brave Bobby Sands.
    Much better people than you,
    Let as your legacy tell
    Roast in the flames along with you,
    In the deepest bowels of Hell!!!

    All mankind face Final Judgement,
    Maggie will account for every capitalist whim
    Will learn too late what she done to the least of folk
    She also done to Him
    Who on a cross he died for us,
    Who she would have despised if He was in the world
    As she chased her Gods of Money and Glory
    Under Union Jack unfurled!!!


  • #1683
    true
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,325 ✭✭✭true


    Happyman42 wrote: »
    That's pretty close to my own opinion, Datsun Sunny's coud be seen to rust before your eyes!

    so did other makes of cars in those days. The Japanese cars however were reliable, and came better value for money/ better spec. I remember for example when Datsuns had radios when not all cars had a radio as standard.
    Reliability was a big edge for the Japanese manufacturers in them days. If you got a British car made on a Monday morning - or a fa cup final weekend - God help ya!


  • #1684
    Fratton Fred
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26,566 ✭✭✭✭Fratton Fred


    Bridge93 wrote: »
    I'm 1992 and I'm afraid all the way through school whether it was teachers or textbooks, the Internet, or word from those who did live through her time none of it was positive.
    My dad was originally from Belfast, attended Methody so was quite well off and a loyalist without ever seeing the need for violence. Even he his very much against her policies domestic or foreign.

    You could start by reading up on UK industrial relations in the 70s to get an understanding of the direction the UK was going.

    Then see if you can find a copy of "carry on at your convenience" for an understanding of trade unions at the time.


  • #1685
    space_man
    Closed Accounts Posts: 663 ✭✭✭space_man


    true wrote: »
    so did other makes of cars in those days. The Japanese cars however were reliable, and came better value for money/ better spec. I remember for example when Datsuns had radios when not all cars had a radio as standard.
    Reliability was a big edge for the Japanese manufacturers in them days. If you got a British car made on a Monday morning - or a fa cup final weekend - God help ya!

    i always recall Opel as being considered quite reliable.
    My bro owed an Ascona which clocked almost 250k. not bad for those days!


  • #1686
    Richard Hillman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,033 ✭✭✭✭Richard Hillman


    A great send off for M'Lady. God speed Mrs Thatcher, your memory will live forever


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  • #1687
    true
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,325 ✭✭✭true


    Bridge93 wrote: »
    I'm 1992 and I'm afraid all the way through school whether it was teachers or textbooks, the Internet, or word from those who did live through her time none of it was positive.

    Shows the power of indoctrination in your school when "none of it was positive" and you are / were not even aware she was elected for 3 tems and was the longest serving p.m. of the 20th century. I feel sorry for you having had teachers and an "education" like that, but you are not alone.


  • #1688
    Spook_ie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,892 ✭✭✭✭Spook_ie


    Duck Soup wrote: »
    I was there at the time. My dad had a Ford Cortina. His brother, who lived with us, an Austin Allegro.

    If you were around in the 70s, you'd know that the Japanese cars were considered (a) rustbuckets and (b) had engines the size of hairdyers.

    The most trusted manufacturer of the time would have been Ford. Datsun's reputation was so poxy they changed their name to Nissan.

    Who mentioned Japanese imports?

    BLMC was left on its own after effectively being nationalised to become BL in 1975. Producing such wonderful vehicles as the Allegro, Princess, Marina, Ital etc. until sold to BAe in 1988

    Chrysler which had purchased the Rootes group ) was sold to Puegot ( France) for $1, and used the Talbot name until 1987 for cars like the Sunbeam,Samba etc.

    Vauxhall became part of GM ( Opel brand ) and after the last Viva were only producing rebadged Opels

    Ford Yeah the Dagenham Dustbins I remember we used to check for which country the vehicle was built in to try and get a good one, and if you could only get a UK built one you prayed it wasn't built on a Monday am shift or a Friday pm shift


  • #1689
    LordSutch
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,069 ✭✭✭✭LordSutch


    space_man wrote: »
    A1

    Saint Peter will have his work cut out
    When Maggie arrives at the gate
    Defending her legacy of hatred
    From when he was head of State.
    But the devil, he wont have her
    Hell, he wont let her within,
    No one deserves her as a neighbour
    No matter what their sin.

    She who in the the world of man,
    Was great, in human eyes,
    Will find that in the World Beyond
    That even the Evil despise
    As criminals do in jails some of their own
    The lowest of the low
    Will show their standards and boycott her
    When she goes Down Below.

    No no no, this one is much better >>> http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=84097042&postcount=971


  • #1690
    true
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,325 ✭✭✭true


    Spook_ie wrote: »
    ...and if you could only get a UK built one you prayed it wasn't built on a Monday am shift or a Friday pm shift

    nowadays Honda, Toyota, Nissan, Land Rover, BAE etc manufacture in Britain and have hundreds of British suppliers and quality or strikes are not a problem.


  • #1691
    Zebra3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,299 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3


    Richard Hillman wrote: »
    A great send off for M'Lady. God speed Mrs Thatcher, your memory will live forever

    At the cost of 12 million euro.


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  • #1692
    true
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,325 ✭✭✭true


    Zebra3 wrote: »
    At the cost of 12 million euro.
    It did not cost that. Police etc had to be paid anyway today. The British are well used to visitors from around the world, and policing them.


  • #1693
    Happyman42
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,066 ✭✭✭✭Happyman42


    true wrote: »
    It did not cost that. Police etc had to be paid anyway today.
    Who could have been doing something useful. It's still part of the cost. At least Maggie could add!;)


  • #1694
    Latchy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 21,190 ✭✭✭✭Latchy


    Richard Hillman wrote: »
    Mrs Thatcher your memory will live forever
    Like Tony Blair and George Bush when they pop their clogs , for all the wrong reasons as much as any right .

    Next week most people will have gladly forgotten her already .


  • #1695
    Zebra3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,299 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3


    true wrote: »
    It did not cost that. Police etc had to be paid anyway today. The British are well used to visitors from around the world, and policing them.

    Course not. :rolleyes:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lincolnshire-22125280

    You ever hear of overtime?


  • #1696
    Latchy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 21,190 ✭✭✭✭Latchy


    true wrote: »
    It did not cost that. Police etc had to be paid anyway today. The British are well used to visitors from around the world, and policing them.
    The British police love their overtime ,today was just another public event to them .


  • #1697
    true
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,325 ✭✭✭true


    A few hours policing a funeral is no big item of expenditure in the context that she was one of the most famous world politicians of the 20th century, and the longest serving p.m. then.

    The UK taxpayer spent a lot more than the cost of Mrs Thatchers funeral on the Popes visit to the UK not that long ago, and the richest organisation in the world did not chip in anything towards it.
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jul/05/popes-uk-visit-cost-12m

    No big deal.


  • #1698
    Zebra3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,299 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3


    true wrote: »
    A few hours policing a funeral is no big item of expenditure in the context that she was one of the most famous world politicians of the 20th century, and the longest serving p.m. then.

    The UK taxpayer spent a lot more than the cost of Mrs Thatchers funeral on the Popes visit to the UK not that long ago, and the richest organisation in the world did not chip in anything towards it.
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jul/05/popes-uk-visit-cost-12m

    No big deal.

    Of course it's a big deal when the ordinary person is having their services cut back.

    And it's doubly insulting to those people who had to listen to Thatcher preach about privitisation when she couldn't even do that to her own funeral.

    Just another parasitical hypocrite.


  • #1699
    end of the road
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,006 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    true wrote: »
    A few hours policing a funeral is no big item of expenditure in the context that she was one of the most famous world politicians of the 20th century, and the longest serving p.m. then.

    yeah, one of the most famous politicians of the 20th century for all the wrong reasons, hated by many of her own people who she waged war against, that 12000000 was a waste of money, her family should have payed for it, think how many schools and hospitals that money could have gone to
    true wrote: »
    No big deal.

    yes it is a very big deal, and many british tax payers would also disagree with you, why didn't you look to contribute something toards it if its no big deal to you?

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • #1700
    Spook_ie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,892 ✭✭✭✭Spook_ie


    end of the road wrote: »
    yeah, one of the most famous politicians of the 20th century for all the wrong reasons, hated by many of her own people who she waged war against, that 12000000 was a waste of money, her family should have payed for it, think how many schools and hospitals that money could have gone to



    yes it is a very big deal, and many british tax payers would also disagree with you, why didn't you look to contribute something toards it if its no big deal to you?

    Yeah absolutely
    322 Nurses
    272 Teachers
    320 Fire Officers
    269 Paramedics
    etc.

    Wonder how you pay them next year and the year after and the year after.....

    Source http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2013/apr/16/margaret-thatcher-funeral-10-million


  • #1701
    Zebra3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,299 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3


    end of the road wrote: »
    yeah, one of the most famous politicians of the 20th century for all the wrong reasons, hated by many of her own people who she waged war against, that 12000000 was a waste of money, her family should have payed for it, think how many schools and hospitals that money could have gone to

    Yeh, her family could have fitted the bill from the 12 million kickback her son got out of an arms deal with the Saudi dictators. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/the-mark-thatcher-affair-arms-deal-triumph-for-batting-for-britain-steve-boggan-examines-the-history-of-the-biggest-weapons-agreement-ever-struck-between-two-countries-1441987.html


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  • #1702
    Rascasse
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,670 ✭✭✭Rascasse


    Or just take out the £12m* from the UK's CAP rebate she negotiated. I think it has saved the UK £75bn to date.

    * nice to see the amount has gone up by another couple of milion. It's like Comic relief, the total just keeps going up.


  • #1703
    Zebra3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,299 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3


    Rascasse wrote: »
    Or just take out the £12m* from the UK's CAP rebate she negotiated. I think it has saved the UK £75bn to date.

    * nice to see the amount has gone up by another couple of milion. It's like Comic relief, the total just keeps going up.

    Nope, it doesn't.

    10 million sterling refers to her funeral.

    12 million sterling (min.) refers to her son's kickback from arms dealing with dictators.

    Do keep up.


  • #1704
    Rascasse
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,670 ✭✭✭Rascasse


    Zebra3 wrote: »
    Nope, it doesn't.

    10 million sterling refers to her funeral.

    12 million sterling (min.) refers to her son's kickback from arms dealing with dictators.

    Do keep up.

    The post you quoted says £12m. Do keep up.


  • #1705
    Zebra3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,299 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3


    Rascasse wrote: »
    The post you quoted says £12m. Do keep up.

    Post I quoted says 12 million but doesn't refer to which currency.

    10 M sterling roughly equals 11.7 M euro. Close enough.


  • #1706
    Rascasse
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,670 ✭✭✭Rascasse


    Hilarious.

    10m, 12m, Sterling, Euro, it doesn't matter. Drop in the ocean. Like I said, the CAP rebate alone has been worth £75bn. Mark may have been paid several million in commission from Al-Yamamah, but the deal was worth £40bn to the UK (and other European countries).

    Though I am interested to see what the final bill is, once fixed costs have been removed, and how it compares to the numbers the Guardian/Independent/Mirror have been whining about.


  • #1707
    Bridge93
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,018 ✭✭✭Bridge93


    true wrote: »
    Shows the power of indoctrination in your school when "none of it was positive" and you are / were not even aware she was elected for 3 tems and was the longest serving p.m. of the 20th century. I feel sorry for you having had teachers and an "education" like that, but you are not alone.

    Quite happy with my education, I rather not waste my time and effort learning about what that witch did. If you can prove the comments I made on the previous pages wrong I'll think twice about her.


  • #1708
    Rascasse
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,670 ✭✭✭Rascasse


    Bridge93 wrote: »
    Quite happy with my education, I rather not waste my time and effort learning about what that witch did.
    So you'd rather comment first without actually knowing what your talking about?
    Bridge93 wrote: »
    If you can prove the comments I made on the previous pages wrong I'll think twice about her.
    There's a few glaring error's in this post, such as;
    Bridge93 wrote: »
    Something had to be done but the way she handled the miners strike was appalling.
    The way Scargill and some of the militant miners acted was appalling. Striking without ballot. Refusing to end the strike when it was clear that it was a lost cause, instead they kept going, driving their members into poverty as the union didn't have the money to pay them. Then there is the killing of David Wilkie and the two miners.
    Bridge93 wrote: »
    I don't care what you say about their motives you can't let men starve to death in your jails and allow it without stepping in.
    Well there were talks and possibly an offer (that was allegedly rejected by the IRA)
    Bridge93 wrote: »
    Let's remember that due to the ridiculous law of internment there were many Irish men in prison who were innocent and as a result resentment and numbers grew in the IRA
    Let's also remember that internment was done away with a good few years before Thatcher became PM.
    Bridge93 wrote: »
    Should i mention the allegations that under her government the army supplied arms to the loyalist side of the Troubles? She condoned the butchering of people in the UK by others in the UK.
    They are just that, allegations. All of the independent inquiries have never found a state conspiracy to arm Loyalists. Instead all the findings show the army and RUC intelligence were acting on their own.
    Bridge93 wrote: »
    So too was her refusal to impose sanctions on the apartheid regime in South Africa and call the ANC terrorists.
    This has been done to death. She did impose sanctions and she was one of the most important figures in bringing apartheid to an end.
    Bridge93 wrote: »
    What about all those butchered when Britain backed the American invasion into democratically elected Nicaragua?
    I know nothing about the US invading Nicaragua. Backed how? With troops?


    Anyway, too busy to go through other posts.


  • #1709
    md23040
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 523 ✭✭✭md23040


    Zebra3 wrote: »
    Of course it's a big deal when the ordinary person is having their services cut back.

    And it's doubly insulting to those people who had to listen to Thatcher preach about privitisation when she couldn't even do that to her own funeral.
    Just another parasitical hypocrite.

    There is no problem with the cost funeral IMO cost considering over the ten years of her premiership the level of national debt was cut by nearly 50% in GDP terms.

    Never in UK's history was national debt so low as a percentage of GDP. All leaders since have pushed the level through the roof and no surprise this increased most steeply under Blair's New Labour.

    If any Irish politician in the present climate could pull off such debt reduction in the same timeframe would probably be eulogised forever like some dead Northern Korean communist leader, for services to the state.


  • #1710
    Happyman42
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,066 ✭✭✭✭Happyman42


    md23040 wrote: »
    There is no problem with the cost funeral IMO cost considering over the ten years of her premiership the level of national debt was cut by nearly 50% in GDP terms.

    Never in UK's history was national debt so low as a percentage of GDP. All leaders since have pushed the level through the roof and no surprise this increased most steeply under Blair's New Labour.

    If any Irish politician in the present climate could pull off such debt reduction in the same timeframe would probably be eulogised forever like some dead Northern Korean communist leader, for services to the state.

    How willing are you people to open your eyes? Three little words that her lovers will ignore... NORTH SEA OIL.

    When she came to power North Sea tax revenues where 565 million, as they came on line they jumped to 2.3 Billion in one year, the year she came to power...rising to 12 billion in 1984. Yet she managed to impoverish the North of England and Scotland (where the oil was) by using that revenue to fund her get rich quick schemes and tax cuts.
    Compare simiar oil bonanzas in Norway, who used them to invest long term in the economy and now have a massive sovereign wealth fund to enrich all of it's citizens.
    It is no joke for Britain that revenues from North Sea Oil are now begining to fall.


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  • #1711
    K-9
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,305 ✭✭✭✭K-9


    md23040 wrote: »
    There is no problem with the cost funeral IMO cost considering over the ten years of her premiership the level of national debt was cut by nearly 50% in GDP terms.

    Never in UK's history was national debt so low as a percentage of GDP. All leaders since have pushed the level through the roof and no surprise this increased most steeply under Blair's New Labour.

    If any Irish politician in the present climate could pull off such debt reduction in the same timeframe would probably be eulogised forever like some dead Northern Korean communist leader, for services to the state.

    Oddly enough Ireland managed even better between 87 and about 02 under various Taoiseach and Finance Ministers, I doubt any of them will get eulogised like a North Korean Communist leader!

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