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Breaking:Large explosion at public event in Boston***Mod warning in OP**

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  • #1712
    Airitech
    Closed Accounts Posts: 158 ✭✭Airitech


    NIMAN wrote: »
    What is our obsession with trying to link everything to us?

    http://www.independent.ie/world-news/americas/second-victim-of-bombings-had-irish-roots-29201172.html

    Victim had Irish ancestry! So what. What does that matter, why are we trying to claim the dead for our own?

    Irish people will want to read about an Irish connection to the story. The Independent will try to deliver that so the public will read it and they make money from that readership.


  • #1713
    delly
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 7,781 Mod ✭✭✭✭delly


    NIMAN wrote: »
    What is our obsession with trying to link everything to us?

    http://www.independent.ie/world-news/americas/second-victim-of-bombings-had-irish-roots-29201172.html

    Victim had Irish ancestry! So what. What does that matter, why are we trying to claim the dead for our own?

    In fairness it was from a direct quote from the mayor, not just some link that the press made.


  • #1714
    Hazys
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,510 ✭✭✭Hazys


    NIMAN wrote: »
    What is our obsession with trying to link everything to us?

    http://www.independent.ie/world-news/americas/second-victim-of-bombings-had-irish-roots-29201172.html

    Victim had Irish ancestry! So what. What does that matter, why are we trying to claim the dead for our own?

    As somebody already mentioned in this thread the sister of the poor 8-year old lad who died, took part in the World Irish Dancing championships and the family lived in Dorchester (a very irish neighborhood) so they had strong Irish roots too. Not very uncommon in Boston, there is a ton of people who are 1st, 2nd and 3rd generation Irish.


  • #1715
    Seachmall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,041 ✭✭✭Seachmall


    NIMAN wrote: »
    why are we trying to claim the dead for our own?

    Making allies for the impending Zombie Apocalypse?


  • #1716
    Killer Wench
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,386 ✭✭✭Killer Wench


    clairefontaine wrote: »
    What's weird is that no one has claimed it. Usually these groups come out and say it was them.

    I think it was a fellow runner who didn't get invited.


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  • #1717
    Hazys
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,510 ✭✭✭Hazys


    Candlelight vigil for Martin Richard:

    http://t.co/NhJc4j6yQx

    The way Boston people have come together after this awfulness is so moving.


  • #1718
    wonderfullife
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,924 ✭✭✭wonderfullife


    Are people taking crazy pills around here? The IRA are behind this now!!!?

    I've said it before, i'll say it again - there are far too many things pointing towards right-wing extremism here.

    Another American nut who wants to go down in infamy similar to McVeigh or to highlight the cause of the Patriot Movement.

    Look at the last few years domestically in the USA - you've had Obamacare, Fiscal Cliffs etc all examples for people like McVeigh to get their nose out of joint at big-Government influence sticking their beak into everything.

    Then you have the location, the timing and symbolism of this week associated to the extreme right-wingers.

    Al-Qaida or the IRA (lol) have better things to be doing than rigging up Pressure Cookers with nails and bombing a city that's 17% Irish and one of the most ethnically diverse on the east coast.

    This will ultimately come down to one nutjob or a handful of them like McVeigh and his little crew, with the probable difference that McVeigh executed his plan to devastating effect from a decade in the military and a fanatical hatred of the Government.


  • #1719
    K-9
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,313 ✭✭✭✭K-9


    Mod:
    Can we leave the IRA stuff out of it please.

    Just because some numbskulls post stupid stuff on facebook or twitter doesn't mean we have to discuss it on this thread, there's thread for dumb facebook posts.

    Mad Men's Don Draper : What you call love was invented by guys like me, to sell nylons.



  • #1720
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 460 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Some stuff from 4chan, probably nothing, but still interesting.

    snip


  • #1721
    Pacing Mule
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,088 ✭✭✭Pacing Mule


    That's the sort of stuff that will throw up a lynch mob. Great stuff if it is the guys behind it but its potentially catastrophic if they are innocent. Looks like the basis was "look for brown guys acting suspiciously"


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  • #1722
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 32,956 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Not interesting. It's idiotic tripe at best and xenophobic nonsense in general. 'Brown guys acting suspiciously'.... REALLY? Get this over to the CT forum if you haven't already. You'll get a much better audience for it.


  • #1723
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 460 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I agree, a few different theories are being thrown around by them at the moment, here's another one

    snip


  • #1724
    The_Kew_Tour
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,769 ✭✭✭✭The_Kew_Tour


    This fella on the roof.

    Seen him shared on facebook and people saying that is the bomber.

    I mean this guy could be doing anything.

    EVENFLOW



  • #1725
    NIMAN
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    Yeah its unstoppable, social media has a lot to answer for.


  • #1726
    The Scientician
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,724 ✭✭✭The Scientician


    NIMAN wrote: »
    Yeah its unstoppable, social media has a lot to answer for.

    Nah I think Amateur Sherlocks do.


  • #1727
    Solair
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,230 ✭✭✭Solair


    There'll be all sorts of theorising online.

    The most important thing is that the FBI and other agencies get *all* the footage / still images that people might have on their phones / cameras / CCTV systems etc.

    Potentially publicly misidentifying people won't really help the situation and might just cause even more injuries / hurt if someone gets attacked as a result.

    I honestly think people should have more sense than to repost this stuff (including on Boards)


  • #1728
    K-9
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,313 ✭✭✭✭K-9


    Mod: Yep, I think we can leave the amateur sleuthing to 4chan and what not.

    Mad Men's Don Draper : What you call love was invented by guys like me, to sell nylons.



  • #1729
    K-9
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,313 ✭✭✭✭K-9


    Good read about the use of pressure cooker type bombs:
    http://swampland.time.com/2013/04/16/a-short-history-of-pressure-cooker-bombs

    Interestingly one was used in NY Times Square in 2010 but failed.

    Mad Men's Don Draper : What you call love was invented by guys like me, to sell nylons.



  • #1730
    Jonny7
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,696 ✭✭✭Jonny7


    It's one of the most photographed and filmed spots in Boston (finish line of the marathon)

    I don't fancy the bomber's chances.

    Also the crude nature of the device indicates they weren't too sophisticated about it either


  • #1731
    BillyMitchel
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,324 ✭✭✭BillyMitchel


    The IRA stuff (as stupid as it is) was also in two American newspapers and not just some eejit on twitter. The link came because of the interviews that old Provos done with Boston university a number of years back.

    The university recently lost a case and now has to hand the interviews over to the PSNI.

    Obviously it's all complete BS but just to let people know it not just some oddball on twitter.

    Can't provide a link I'm on my phone. Ill try later.


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  • #1732
    Scotty #
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,782 ✭✭✭Scotty #


    Jonny7 wrote: »
    It's one of the most photographed and filmed spots in Boston (finish line of the marathon)

    I don't fancy the bomber's chances.

    Also the crude nature of the device indicates they weren't too sophisticated about it either

    Bombers in cases like this usually want to make themselves know as they usually have some kind of political statement to make. It's odd that no group or individual has come forward yet. They say if no one claims credit in the first 3 days then no one will.

    The bomb was very very small. Big loss of life was not the objective here. I don't think injury was even the objective. A bomb of nails is far more destructive (to humans) than a bomb of ball bearings. Also, detonation as the winner crossed the line would have been more devastating as the crowd was far more dense then. Peculiar that he waited till most of the crowd had gone.

    Aslo, it doesn't seem to target any type of victim (except athlete or sports fan?) like the London nail bombs a few years ago that were all planted in gay bars or the bombs outside abortion clinics in the states, who was this targeting? Society in general?

    I would think this is the work of one person. As he has not claimed credit or taken his own life, I doubt he's finished. Only my opinion.


  • #1733
    The_Kew_Tour
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,769 ✭✭✭✭The_Kew_Tour


    Scotty # wrote: »
    .

    Aslo, it doesn't seem to target any type of victim (except athlete or sports fan?) like the London nail bombs a few years ago that were all planted in gay bars or the bombs outside abortion clinics in the states, who was this targeting? Society in general?

    I would think this is the work of one person. As he has not claimed credit or taken his own life, I doubt he's finished. Only my opinion.

    I think it is the work of one person myself. It all points to that anyway.

    I doubt its any terror group at this stage.

    EVENFLOW



  • #1734
    Zyzz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,874 ✭✭✭Zyzz


    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/04/15/history-bombings-in-us-including-famous-attempts-that-failed-since-late-1800s/


  • #1735
    danniemcq
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,163 ✭✭✭✭danniemcq


    K-9 wrote: »
    Good read about the use of pressure cooker type bombs:
    http://swampland.time.com/2013/04/16/a-short-history-of-pressure-cooker-bombs

    Interestingly one was used in NY Times Square in 2010 but failed.

    Thats the one the Pakistan branch of Al Quida claimed responsability for wasn't it?

    They have said this one isn't theirs


  • #1736
    Duggy747
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,295 ✭✭✭✭Duggy747


    If it was a terror group, somebody would have taken responsibility by now and cash in on the publicity to carry their message.

    It all seems to be pointing towards a lone wolf, if he has ties with any group or has a personal agenda remains to be seen. Hell, they have to catch the culprit first.

    A large crowd and massive amounts of footage to comb over means the authorities have to be clear in what the bomber looks like. He's had plenty of time to mull over / act on what to do next (Go on the run, lay low, kill himself, plot another device, etc)


  • #1737
    Solair
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,230 ✭✭✭Solair


    BillyMitchel wrote: »
    The IRA stuff (as stupid as it is) was also in two American newspapers and not just some eejit on twitter. The link came because of the interviews that old Provos done with Boston university a number of years back.

    The university recently lost a case and now has to hand the interviews over to the PSNI.

    Obviously it's all complete BS but just to let people know it not just some oddball on twitter.

    Can't provide a link I'm on my phone. Ill try later.

    All sorts of daft theories are going to be thrown around as people clutch at straws to try figure out who did it and why.

    Remember, a lot of Americans (including journalists) know nothing about the IRA or the Northern Irish conflicts other than 'they're terrorists'. So, it'll get into the media coverage without any issue.

    I mean, I've had conversations with Americans that went like this:

    "Yeah, I'm from Cork in Ireland. It's the 2nd biggest city, not very big, right down on the south coast.. Quite foodie, loads of good restaurants"

    "OMG! How do you live there with all the bombs and shootings? Do you guys have to keep guns in your houses?"

    I'm not trying to laugh at Americans, but they're as likely to know the intimate details of Northern Ireland as your average Irish person's going to know the intimate details of LA's gang wars or something like that. We've some vague notion about them and saw some stuff on the TV or heard of a movie about it and that's about it.

    Then using our vague knowledge, put two and two together and get 47.

    I think most sensible media outlets are keeping an open mind but most are at this stage starting to focus closer to home and towards the possibility of a home-grown nut-case.

    There's still a possibility that it could be some kind of islamic extremist operating independently too, but the whole coincidence of Patriots' Day and the fact that it's in Boston of all places - one of the most left-leaning, progressive, liberal cities in North America would tend to me to point towards something more like what happened in Norway a few years ago i.e. some politically motivated psychopath.

    The other issue is that a lot of Americans would find contemplating domestic terrorism much more disturbing than some external threat too. So, the tabloid media's less likely to go after that line at first.


  • #1738
    Sonics2k
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,034 ✭✭✭Sonics2k


    NIMAN wrote: »
    What is our obsession with trying to link everything to us?

    http://www.independent.ie/world-news/americas/second-victim-of-bombings-had-irish-roots-29201172.html

    Victim had Irish ancestry! So what. What does that matter, why are we trying to claim the dead for our own?

    Yeah I picked up on that too.
    Shock horror, someone from Boston has Irish blood, they must be a rare breed :rolleyes:


  • #1739
    Jonny7
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,696 ✭✭✭Jonny7


    Scotty # wrote: »
    The bomb was very very small. Big loss of life was not the objective here. I don't think injury was even the objective. A bomb of nails is far more destructive (to humans) than a bomb of ball bearings. Also, detonation as the winner crossed the line would have been more devastating as the crowd was far more dense then. Peculiar that he waited till most of the crowd had gone.

    According to unamed officials - that type of bomb in those circumstances could have killed many more people - the fact that it was badly made and implemented seems to suggest amateur

    Also could be the work of someone with no political agenda, just a personal one. Like a school shooting, but being able to "savour" the world attention it garners

    Anyway, just speculation so far


  • #1740
    Solair
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,230 ✭✭✭Solair


    That's the other distinct possibility. There has been a trend in the US of disgruntled and very unhinged people 'acting out' over the past few years in those school shootings, the cinema shooting etc etc.

    We just don't know and I think anyone with any sense would really be just keeping a very open mind on the possibilities.

    I would be very surprised if they haven't managed to get a photograph of the person(s) involved by now. There were cameras and smart phones everywhere taking photos and there must have been CCTV, even if it was only in shops / office reception areas around there.

    That being said, the level of CCTV coverage in the UK and increasingly in Ireland is WAY higher than the United States and probably most other places on earth. The British and ourselves seem to have really taken up videoing everyone at all times in a big way.

    In London or even an Irish city, that guy would almost definitely have been on public CCTV and possibly even been picked up acting suspiciously before it happened if the cameras were being monitored (as would be the case in London)


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  • #1741
    clairefontaine
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,390 ✭✭✭clairefontaine


    Solair wrote: »
    All sorts of daft theories are going to be thrown around as people clutch at straws to try figure out who did it and why.

    Remember, a lot of Americans (including journalists) know nothing about the IRA or the Northern Irish conflicts other than 'they're terrorists'. So, it'll get into the media coverage without any issue.

    I mean, I've had conversations with Americans that went like this:

    "Yeah, I'm from Cork in Ireland. It's the 2nd biggest city, not very big, right down on the south coast.. Quite foodie, loads of good restaurants"

    "OMG! How do you live there with all the bombs and shootings? Do you guys have to keep guns in your houses?"

    I'm not trying to laugh at Americans, but they're as likely to know the intimate details of Northern Ireland as your average Irish person's going to know the intimate details of LA's gang wars or something like that. We've some vague notion about them and saw some stuff on the TV or heard of a movie about it and that's about it.

    Then using our vague knowledge, put two and two together and get 47.

    I think most sensible media outlets are keeping an open mind but most are at this stage starting to focus closer to home and towards the possibility of a home-grown nut-case.

    There's still a possibility that it could be some kind of islamic extremist operating independently too, but the whole coincidence of Patriots' Day and the fact that it's in Boston of all places - one of the most left-leaning, progressive, liberal cities in North America would tend to me to point towards something more like what happened in Norway a few years ago i.e. some politically motivated psychopath.

    The other issue is that a lot of Americans would find contemplating domestic terrorism much more disturbing than some external threat too. So, the tabloid media's less likely to go after that line at first.

    I think there are plenty of Americans in Boston who know plenty about the IRA given they funded them and provided safe houses for them. Probably don't feel very good about that these days though after 911.

    It would be very unlikely in my view the IRA would alienate the community that aided them for so long, but you never know... it's not like they are always rational. .

    Im keeping my mind open to all possibilities right now.


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