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Breaking:Large explosion at public event in Boston***Mod warning in OP**

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,174 ✭✭✭✭kmart6


    It's particularly evil the positions of the bombs. The second one was positioned about 50 feet from the first and went off 20 seconds after the first. Basically anybody caught in the first blast could only walk/run in the direction of the second. Planned to cause maximum risk to human life.
    I don't know what coverage you were watching but that wasn't the caste at all! After the first explosion it was still possible for all the runners/walkers to get by as the entire width of the road was free of any obstacles. Even when they started moving the barriers the road was never fully blocked off and people could get by, there was no need for anybody to turn back in the direction of the second explosion, which can be seen from all the videos with a stream of people continuing to cross the line!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,817 ✭✭✭Addle


    [-0-] wrote: »
    Absolutely. Holding the artery and all like a fecking pro. Honestly, some man. I really hope this fella makes it.

    I'm amazed that he's sitting up.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,745 ✭✭✭laugh


    kmart6 wrote: »
    I don't know what coverage you were watching but that wasn't the caste at all! After the first explosion it was still possible for all the runners/walkers to get by as the entire width of the road was free of any obstacles. Even when they started moving the barriers the road was never fully blocked off and people could get by, there was no need for anybody to turn back in the direction of the second explosion, which can be seen from all the videos with a stream of people continuing to cross the line!

    The people on the pavement . . .


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,775 ✭✭✭Death and Taxes


    Absolutley appalling act, I note that one of the innocent victims was an 8 year old child!
    Lets hope those responsible, wherever they may be from are apprehended quickly.
    May be a coincidence but yesterday was "Patriot Day" in Boston.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,924 ✭✭✭wonderfullife


    kmart6 wrote: »
    I don't know what coverage you were watching but that wasn't the caste at all! After the first explosion it was still possible for all the runners/walkers to get by as the entire width of the road was free of any obstacles. Even when they started moving the barriers the road was never fully blocked off and people could get by, there was no need for anybody to turn back in the direction of the second explosion, which can be seen from all the videos with a stream of people continuing to cross the line!

    Look if this was on O' Connell Street in Dublin and the bomb goes off outside the GPO, most people on that side of the road will either leg it down towards Parnell Street or up towards Grafton Street. Depending what side of the explosion you are on. On instinct alone you wouldn't be running across the road towards Abbey Street.

    So when the first bomb goes off people are going to be trying to flee away from the scene, not across the road. If you were to the left of the explosion you're going to run back up the street (the direction the runners are coming from). So people caught on the side of the first blast were herding towards the second explosion to try get out of there.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,924 ✭✭✭wonderfullife


    Absolutley appalling act, I note that one of the innocent victims was an 8 year old child!
    Lets hope those responsible, wherever they may be from are apprehended quickly.
    May be a coincidence but yesterday was "Patriot Day" in Boston.

    Possible coincidence but everything is pointing towards right-wing extremists thus far. The week that's in it (20th anniversary of Waco), Patriots Day etc.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,146 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    Look if this was on O' Connell Street in Dublin and the bomb goes off outside the GPO, most people on that side of the road will either leg it down towards Parnell Street or up towards Grafton Street. Depending what side of the explosion you are on. On instinct alone you wouldn't be running across the road towards Abbey Street.

    So when the first bomb goes off people are going to be trying to flee away from the scene, not across the road. If you were to the left of the explosion you're going to run back up the street (the direction the runners are coming from). So people caught on the side of the first blast were herding towards the second explosion to try get out of there.

    There was only a couple of seconds between the two blasts so nobody is going to have made it from one area to the other between the two going off. Least of all any of the 4hr marathon runners that were running past at the time who will just keep going the way they were for the previous 26 miles.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,924 ✭✭✭wonderfullife


    robinph wrote: »
    There was only a couple of seconds between the two blasts so nobody is going to have made it from one area to the other between the two going off. Least of all any of the 4hr marathon runners that were running past at the time who will just keep going the way they were for the previous 26 miles.

    This is not about the runners. Nearly all casualties were the spectators - the family and friends watching on the street.

    The first blast was followed 12 seconds later by the second. The distance between blasts was less than 150 yards. Point is, you're going to get people going towards the second blast radius and maximise potential casualties. Especially if ball barings were used in the devices.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,146 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    This is not about the runners. Nearly all casualties were the spectators - the family and friends watching on the street.

    The first blast was followed 12 seconds later by the second. The distance between blasts was less than 150 yards. Point is, you're going to get people going towards the second blast radius and maximise potential casualties. Especially if ball barings were used in the devices.

    Yep, and none of the spectators will have made it more than about 5 meters between the two blasts either as they will have only had a crowded footpath to move along. The blasts were basically simultaneous and not timed in a way to try and get people in both blasts. Just designed to get lots of people.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,174 ✭✭✭✭kmart6


    robinph wrote: »
    There was only a couple of seconds between the two blasts so nobody is going to have made it from one area to the other between the two going off. Least of all any of the 4hr marathon runners that were running past at the time who will just keep going the way they were for the previous 26 miles.
    ^^^^^^
    This


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,924 ✭✭✭wonderfullife


    robinph wrote: »
    Yep, and none of the spectators will have made it more than about 5 meters between the two blasts either as they will have only had a crowded footpath to move along. The blasts were basically simultaneous and not timed in a way to try and get people in both blasts. Just designed to get lots of people.

    can agree to disagree on this but if i'm 75-100 yards away from the first blast i'm pretty sure i start making my way away from it (and straight on to the 2nd blast). 12 seconds is enough time to walk, run, scrimmage a bit up the street.

    Anyway, we can both agree whoever did this are total pricks.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,088 ✭✭✭Pacing Mule


    This is not about the runners. Nearly all casualties were the spectators - the family and friends watching on the street.

    The first blast was followed 12 seconds later by the second. The distance between blasts was less than 150 yards. Point is, you're going to get people going towards the second blast radius and maximise potential casualties. Especially if ball barings were used in the devices.

    My understanding is there was 2 more unexploded devices in the finish area. I'd guess the idea was to simultaneously set off multiple devices along the finish straight. Maybe one of those devices was between the two that did go off. Either way a lot of the time were a second device is used with a time delay it is to target emergency response personel and detonates in the same area but it goes off minutes afterwards not seconds. There wasn't enough time between the two blasts for one to be targetting fleeing persons from the other IMO.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,924 ✭✭✭wonderfullife


    My understanding is there was 2 more unexploded devices in the finish area. I'd guess the idea was to simultaneously set off multiple devices along the finish straight. Maybe one of those devices was between the two that did go off. Either way a lot of the time were a second device is used with a time delay it is to target emergency response personel and detonates in the same area but it goes off minutes afterwards not seconds. There wasn't enough time between the two blasts for one to be targetting fleeing persons from the other IMO.

    Maybe not, still callous disregard for human life on display with the placement of the devices - knowing full well a lot of children would be on that street.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,146 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    can agree to disagree on this but if i'm 75-100 yards away from the first blast i'm pretty sure i start making my way away from it (and straight on to the 2nd blast). 12 seconds is enough time to walk, run, scrimmage a bit up the street.

    Anyway, we can both agree whoever did this are total pricks.

    If you are stood on the side of the street 100 meters away it will take you that long before you are able to have figured out what even happened.

    Agreed on the second point.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,146 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    Maybe not, still callous disregard for human life on display with the placement of the devices - knowing full well a lot of children people would be on that street.

    Fyp


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,420 ✭✭✭Lollipops23


    Still getting my head around it to be honest.
    At first I was convinced it was a domestic job, but it doesn't sound that way now.
    Jesus hope they get the sons of bitches that are behind this whole thing.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 378 ✭✭Catphish


    My heart goes out to those who have died and are injured. I believe a little 8 year old boy was amongst the dead too :( My prayers and thoughts are with all their families.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,420 ✭✭✭Lollipops23


    Catphish wrote: »
    My heart goes out to those who have died and are injured. I believe a little 8 year old boy was amongst the dead too :( My prayers and thoughts are with all their families.

    I actually got a lump in my throat reading that in the headlines.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,924 ✭✭✭wonderfullife


    Still getting my head around it to be honest.
    At first I was convinced it was a domestic job, but it doesn't sound that way now.
    Jesus hope they get the sons of bitches that are behind this whole thing.

    Almost everything points towards domestic terrorism (so far).

    Timing: 20th anniversary of the Waco siege and 18th anniversary of Oklahoma Bombings are this week. The latter was inspired by outrage at the former.

    Coincidence: Of course, it may be a coincidence but the likes of Timothy McVeigh were huge believers in the Patriot Movement. Ideologically opposed to the power of Government. This incident took place on Patriots Day.

    The scale, timing, location of the attack to my mind fits the bill with right-wing domestic extremism more so than any other explanation. But i'm sure it will come to light soon enough.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,203 ✭✭✭sfwcork


    I have huge Empathy for the innocent people in the middle of this

    I have zero empathy for the american powers that be in the middle of it


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 32,865 ✭✭✭✭MagicMarker


    sfwcork wrote: »
    I have huge Empathy for the innocent people in the middle of this

    I have zero empathy for the american powers that be in the middle of it

    Makes sense. Especially when you know nothing about why this happened yet.

    :confused:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 34,809 ✭✭✭✭smash


    sfwcork wrote: »
    I have huge Empathy for the innocent people in the middle of this

    I have zero empathy for the american powers that be in the middle of it

    Man that's a sick statement.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,132 ✭✭✭SRFC


    sfwcork wrote: »
    I have huge Empathy for the innocent people in the middle of this

    I have zero empathy for the american powers that be in the middle of it

    Put your rod away ffs blame the Usa on everything,the world would be a very different place without them and not in a good way.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,690 ✭✭✭✭Mental Mickey


    SRFC wrote: »
    Put your rod away ffs blame the Usa on everything,the world would be a very different place without them and not in a good way.

    Here here.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 18,300 ✭✭✭✭Seaneh


    smash wrote: »
    Man that's a sick statement.

    How?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,203 ✭✭✭sfwcork


    wrote:
    smash

    Man that's a sick statement.

    sorry Maybe I should have choosen my words Better

    I dont mean in the middle as in the middle of the explosion

    I mean it as in the people directly affected by the incident


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,203 ✭✭✭sfwcork


    wrote:
    SRFC

    Put your rod away ffs blame the Usa on everything,the world would be a very different place without them and not in a good way.

    You should apply for a role in fair city as a drama queen!

    Where did I say there to blame for everything

    Exaggerate much?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,690 ✭✭✭✭Mental Mickey


    Yet again, AH descends into utter cr*pology.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 18,300 ✭✭✭✭Seaneh


    sfwcork wrote: »
    sorry Maybe I should have choosen my words Better

    I dont mean in the middle as in the middle of the explosion

    I mean it as in the people directly affected by the incident

    I reckon Smash just doesn't understand the word empathy...


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 34,809 ✭✭✭✭smash


    Seaneh wrote: »
    How?

    Damnit, I left in the wrong part of the quote...


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