Graves vandalized and desecrated

Qualitymark · 31-03-2013 08:48AM

What baffles me is the swastikas.

wolfpawnat · 31-03-2013 09:03AM

Grand Moff Tarkin wrote: »

Also what is the obsession with people wanting to know if it is reported in national media outlets?

Well considering other things that have made the national news. It is sickening that something as horrible as grave desecration has not been reported than a few lines here and there. I understand not wanting to fuel these bástards and highlight their actions, but still.

Lelantos · 31-03-2013 09:12AM

wolfpawnat wrote: »

Well considering other things that have made the national news. It is sickening that something as horrible as grave desecration has not been reported than a few lines here and there. I understand not wanting to fuel these bástards and highlight their actions, but still.

Graves get desecrated everyday. Headstones vandalised, tributes stolen, obscenities scribbled in permanent marker, alcohol parties held on top of plots, saw it all during a summer job I had many moons ago. If someone of note has their grave desecrated it makes the local papers & that's it.

wolfpawnat · 31-03-2013 09:21AM

Lelantos wrote: »

Graves get desecrated everyday. Headstones vandalised, tributes stolen, obscenities scribbled in permanent marker, alcohol parties held on top of plots, saw it all during a summer job I had many moons ago. If someone of note has their grave desecrated it makes the local papers & that's it.

Could you imagine what would be said if someone went into Glasnevin and did it, or Westminister Abbey? Yes graves get desecrated often enough, especially ones in disused churches, but these people used an important week in the Republican calender, knowing there would be masses and meetings held in graveyards such as this. Meaning this is not just idiot youths, these people went out of their way to go around and find Tom Barry's grave too. They are some disgraceful human beings.

I would condemn grave desecration of high profile unionists coming up to mid July just as quick!

Lelantos · 31-03-2013 09:27AM

wolfpawnat wrote: »

Could you imagine what would be said if someone went into Glasnevin and did it, or Westminister Abbey? Yes graves get desecrated often enough, especially ones in disused churches, but these people used an important week in the Republican calender, knowing there would be masses and meetings held in graveyards such as this. Meaning this is not just idiot youths, these people went out of their way to go around and find Tom Barry's grave too. They are some disgraceful human beings.

I would condemn grave desecration of high profile unionists coming up to mid July just as quick!

Most likely its not political, this happens very often, as I said, I used to clean 2-3 a week over the summer in a large & used graveyard, not an abandoned unit. It's nearly always done by teens, and while it wasn't a coincidence that those graves were desecrated, the fact swastikas etc were used would lead me to believe its stupid & ignorant teens looking to be hard men amongst their peers.

wolfpawnat · 31-03-2013 09:43AM

Lelantos wrote: »

Most likely its not political, this happens very often, as I said, I used to clean 2-3 a week over the summer in a large & used graveyard, not an abandoned unit. It's nearly always done by teens, and while it wasn't a coincidence that those graves were desecrated, the fact swastikas etc were used would lead me to believe its stupid & ignorant teens looking to be hard men amongst their peers.

Tom Barry is located in a completely different area of the graveyard, and the week they chose. Anyone who thinks it was a random attack is in a serious denial. Youths wouldn't put that much effort in to "a bit of fun" sadly there are some, and often the likes of boards shows them and their thinking, that think the Republican movement is extreme right wing as opposed to left wing. :rolleyes: Mis-education and revisionism has a lot to answer for.

Lelantos · 31-03-2013 09:58AM

wolfpawnat wrote: »

Tom Barry is located in a completely different area of the graveyard, and the week they chose. Anyone who thinks it was a random attack is in a serious denial. Youths wouldn't put that much effort in to "a bit of fun" sadly there are some, and often the likes of boards shows them and their thinking, that think the Republican movement is extreme right wing as opposed to left wing. :rolleyes: Mis-education and revisionism has a lot to answer for.

I did say it wasn't coincidental, it wasn't fun either, but as for it being a concerted effort against the republican heroes of yore, no I don't think so, and you can roll your eyes as much as you wish

wolfpawnat · 31-03-2013 10:11AM

Lelantos wrote: »

I did say it wasn't coincidental, it wasn't fun either, but as for it being a concerted effort against the republican heroes of yore, no I don't think so, and you can roll your eyes as much as you wish

My eye rolling is in regards to calling extreme left extreme right. It is like saying black is white.

There are theories going around at why it was done, but these so far are mere theories. Attacks to instigate anger particular political groups and the like, but as I say, mere theories. Few of which I would believe. I doubt the attack was on Tom Barry and Terence McSweeney personally, but it could be for what they stood for.

Lelantos · 31-03-2013 10:23AM

wolfpawnat wrote: »

My eye rolling is in regards to calling extreme left extreme right. It is like saying black is white.

There are theories going around at why it was done, but these so far are mere theories. Attacks to instigate anger particular political groups and the like, but as I say, mere theories. Few of which I would believe. I doubt the attack was on Tom Barry and Terence McSweeney personally, but it could be for what they stood for.

I made no mention of left or right wing. I just mentioned the desecration of the graves. The swastika (if that's was what you were referring to) was reported as being part of the desecration is what makes me think its teens, the racist "one fits all" symbol of the undeveloped mind.

wolfpawnat · 31-03-2013 10:38AM

Lelantos wrote: »

I made no mention of left or right wing. I just mentioned the desecration of the graves. The swastika (if that's was what you were referring to) was reported as being part of the desecration is what makes me think its teens, the racist "one fits all" symbol of the undeveloped mind.

Swastika is an extreme right symbol, republican is for the most part extreme left. I was not referring to your post, but to the idea of the symbols used in general. Yes the reference is accurate, one symbol fits all extreme beliefs as far as some are concerned, ergo the :rolleyes:

As I said, I doubt this is a direct attack on those buried there as people, but for what they stand for as a whole. The going out of the way to only attack those graves which are located in one area, then head to a completely different part of the graveyard, and find Tom Barry suggests to me it was not youths. Youths wouldn't be bothered going out of their way to go find another grave located elsewhere. There was a particular reason behind it and I for one am interested to find out what the hell it could possibly be.

getzls · 31-03-2013 09:09PM

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

And why would anyone regard these men as "terrorists"?

At first I thought is was done by a bunch of skangers who probably couldn't even spell the word "history" but now I'm not so sure.

Oh i think you know some people do.

The relatives of the people the IRA, old or new would not describe them as freedom fighters.

awec · 31-03-2013 09:40PM

Disgraceful act tbh.

Also pretty baffling, I don't get the swastika's at all.

UCDVet · 31-03-2013 09:42PM

Is it possible to vandalize a grave without desecrating it?

Ruudi_Mentari · 01-04-2013 02:59AM

In the name of our fathers, their guns and the holy ghost. Sad men

charlemont · 07-04-2013 02:45AM

This is the culprit...http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/man-charged-with-vandalising-historic-graves-29177711.html

o1s1n · 07-04-2013 03:00AM

Wow, gave his exact address too. He's fcuked.

Duggy747 · 07-04-2013 03:14AM

Jaysus, that address is nice and accurate if one was to locate him.

Da Shins Kelly · 07-04-2013 04:10AM

Mr. Wong wrote: »

Karma's a bitch.

I can only assume that this idiotic comment was born out of complete ignorance of who theses historical figures were.

Disgraceful stuff anyway.

DEFTLEFTHAND · 07-04-2013 06:37AM

To interfere with anybody's final resting place is the ultimate disrespect. I don't care what political view points are in question, you never fcuk with a person's grave. Anyone who does is a complete plebiscite, the lowest common denominator.

Grand Moff Tarkin · 07-04-2013 07:51AM

Da Shins Kelly wrote: »

I can only assume that this idiotic comment was born out of complete ignorance of who theses historical figures were.

Disgraceful stuff anyway.

Did he even try and defend his comment or just more of the same tough Internet hard man act the same poster tries in any thread he posts in.

RoisinD · 07-04-2013 08:42AM

Glad to see that someone has been charged.
Same Mr. Cooper?
http://www.irishtimes.com/news/hse-employee-charged-with-theft-1.1254738

iDave · 07-04-2013 09:03AM

We live in a country were paramedics and firemen get attacked while on duty. As a result I am saddened by this but not shocked or surprised.

Sunnyisland · 07-04-2013 09:11AM

charlemont wrote: »

This is the culprit...http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/man-charged-with-vandalising-historic-graves-29177711.html

I assumed it was a group of young men fueled with alcohol not a fifty two year old fueled with alcohol,I am not playing down the seriousness of what he did in any shape or form but he certainly does not look well.

michael999999 · 07-04-2013 09:13AM

realies wrote: »

I assumed it was a group of young men fueled with alcohol not a fifty two year old fueled with alcohol,I am not playing down the seriousness of what he did in any shape or form but he certainly does not look well.

I have a feeling things might be getting a whole lot worse for him!

Rasheed · 07-04-2013 09:29AM

Da Shins Kelly wrote: »

I can only assume that this idiotic comment was born out of complete ignorance of who theses historical figures were.

Disgraceful stuff anyway.

Stil can't believe that same comment got 14 thanks.

Sunnyisland · 07-04-2013 09:34AM

Rasheed wrote: »

Still can't believe that same comment got 14 thanks.

Looking at some of the Posters that thanked him its not surprising at all

Rasheed · 07-04-2013 09:40AM

realies wrote: »

Looking at some of the Posters that thanked him its not surprising at all

Very valid point Realies!

.jacksparrow. · 07-04-2013 09:46AM

realies wrote: »

Looking at some of the Posters that thanked him its not surprising at all

Gay Byrne springs to mind,the type who loves to sit on his ivory tower condemning things that happend a hundred years ago not realising he got very rich from the outcome of the war of independence.not my words.

Sunnyisland · 07-04-2013 09:54AM

.jacksparrow. wrote: »

Gay Byrne springs to mind,the type who loves to sit on his ivory tower condemning things that happened a hundred years ago not realising he got very rich from the outcome of the war of independence.not my words.

Didn't see Gay byrne thanks on the idiotic post

:P:pac:

.jacksparrow. · 07-04-2013 10:02AM

realies wrote: »

Didn't see Gay byrne thanks on the idiotic post :P:pac:

Oh he's on boards alright,let there be no doubt!

Graves vandalized and desecrated

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