Graves vandalized and desecrated

OCorcrainn

The graves of Terence MacSwiney, Tomás Mac Curtain and Tom Barry (amongst others) at the republican plot (and a few just outside the plot) in St. Finbarr's Cemetery in Cork have been vandalized and desecrated over the last few days. There were swastikas and slurs written on the graves and headstones.

Members of Sinn Féin in Cork who regularily visit the graves to maintain and upkeep them were shocked when they discovered it.

It appears that the republican plot that was exclusively targeted.

Hopefully whoever is responsible is caught and held accountable for what they have done.

What the hell is this country coming to when people do this to the final resting places of our patriot dead?

Here is a source, I am assuming the national media will have something tomorrow on it, it is disgrace that there has been nothing yet.

http://tedtynan.blogspot.ie/2013/03/tynan-condemns-graffiti-attack-on.html

Mr. Wong

OCorcrainn wrote: »

Members of Sinn Féin in Cork who regularily visit the graves to maintain and upkeep them were shocked when they discovered it.

Karma's a bitch.

My name is URL

People are idiots...

Some of them will be along soon with gushing diatribes explaining why certain groups of dead folk deserve it.

They go by the name of Mega-Mong.

OCorcrainn

Mr. Wong wrote: »

Karma's a bitch.

I do not follow?

gurramok

Mr. Wong wrote: »

Karma's a bitch.

What? You despise our War dead now, was it you that desecrated the graves?!

One wonders.

Praetorian Saighdiuir

Mr. Wong wrote: »

Karma's a bitch.

meoklmrk91

Mr. Wong wrote: »

Karma's a bitch.

Really? Lets think about this, people who fought for the freedom of this country and its people deserve to have their graves vandalised because Shinners visit them despite the fact that they have no power over it. Hmm yeah that makes total sense.

Crann na Beatha

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Chuck Stone

Mr. Wong wrote: »

Karma's a bitch.

Dumb comment of the month.

gurramok

I've just checked the news sites, why hasn't this been reported nationally?(yet)

OCorcrainn

gurramok wrote: »

I've just checked the news sites, why hasn't this been reported nationally?(yet)

That is what I am wondering, maybe the lack of coverage is an example and manifestation of the collective amnesia a lot of people seem to have about our history.

Laneyh

Ugh, very sad that someone felt the need to do that. I really don't know what they were trying to prove but it does sound like they targeted specific graves.

Then again I'm still stumped as to who and why someone vandalised the Tara standing stone. We certainly are home to some prize idiots

kowloon

I assumed this would be a case of bronze plates being robbed for the scrap, it's happening a lot to war memorials. I doubt the people who did this understood what they were doing.

Seachmall

Mr. Wong wrote: »

Karma's a bitch.

There is something seriously wong with this comment.

FTA69

F*cking outrage, and at Easter time of all times.

OCorcrainn

kowloon wrote: »

I assumed this would be a case of bronze plates being robbed for the scrap, it's happening a lot to war memorials. I doubt the people who did this understood what they were doing.

It is not, there were swastikas and slurs drawn on the headstones, this is more than a coincidence as this weekend is the commemoration of 1916.

ejmaztec

Mr. Wong wrote: »

Karma's a bitch.

You wouldn't be happy if your bridge got vandalised.

woodoo

Can Brendan O'Connor of the Sunday Indo account for his whereabouts

Banjo String

kowloon wrote: »

I assumed this would be a case of bronze plates being robbed for the scrap, it's happening a lot to war memorialsdoing .

No they knew.

There were swastikas and slurs written on their graves and headstones in permanent marker.

johnayo

There was a problem with graves being vandalised just over the road in St Joseph's cemetery recently. Probably the same bunch of gob****es that wouldn't history if it bit them in the bum.

GRMA

They drew swastikas on them among other things.

burgermasters

Low lives no respect for the people who fought and died for this beautiful country

Crann na Beatha

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johnayo

GRMA wrote: »

They drew swastikas on them among other things.

The gob****es can just about manage that as well.

Yamanoto

GRMA wrote: »

They drew swastikas on them among other things.

Have you heard this from a source other than the OP?

GRMA

Yamanoto wrote: »

Have you heard this from a source other than the OP?

Yeah, anti fascist action Ireland and a Cork SF member I am friends with who was down cleaning it

Nodin

Yamanoto wrote: »

Have you heard this from a source other than the OP?

I found this
http://tedtynan.blogspot.ie/2013/03/tynan-condemns-graffiti-attack-on.html

GRMA

Yamanoto wrote: »

Have you heard this from a source other than the OP?

And this:

Workers’ Party Councillor Ted Tynan has condemned as “disgusting” a wholesale graffiti attack on headstones and other monuments at the Republican Plot at Cork's St. Finbarr’s Cemetery over the past few days.

Cllr. Tynan said that the attack was sickening, particularly coming just 48 hours or so before commemorations there of the Easter 1916 Rising. A large number of graves in the plot and a number of headstones of republicans outside the plot were found to be covered in graffiti including swastikas.

“This weekend, the 97th anniversary of the 1916 Rising will be remembered with pride and respect. To think that the men and women who sacrificed their lives for this country could be treated with such utter contempt is disgusting. The fact that only the graves in the Republican plot and of prominent republicans buried nearby have been covered with graffiti suggest that they were deliberately targeted”, said Cllr. Tynan.

He said that it was hoped the graffiti could be removed before Sunday’s Easter events which include the Workers’ Party commemoration at the Republican Plot which takes place at 12 noon.

http://tedtynan.blogspot.ie/2013/03/tynan-condemns-graffiti-attack-on.html

Queen-Mise

Phoenix wrote: »

I take it you are in agreement with desecration of graves then?

I wonder if it is not the desecration of the graves he agreed with, but rather the disagreeing that they are hero's of this country.
And maybe he is implying that karma has re-payed them this way for what they did 90 odd years ago. They desecrated Dublin and now their graves have been desecrated.

Albeit is is a VERY odd comment. The above is the only possible explanation I can think of.

Phoenix wrote: »

Has any media source reported on this disgrace?

This is the only place it is. It isn't on any media outlets as yet.

Queen-Mise

It is also being discussed here - ten odd posts and they are already at each others throats :eek:


This is interesting. It was swastikas and other stuff on the graves, which is a very specific type of vandalism. IRA graves were vandalised with fascist graffiti in Belfast 2009 by Combat 18. I wonder is there any connection, or connection with people with similar ideology.

OCorcrainn

Queen-Mise wrote: »

he is implying that karma has re-payed them this way for what they did 90 odd years ago. They desecrated Dublin and now their graves have been desecrated.

-Tomás Mac Curtain was shot dead in front of his wife and children in his own home by the Royal Irish Constabulary .

-Terence MacSwiney died on hunger strike in protest of his illegal imprisonment by a British Military Court.

Both were Lord Mayors of Cork when they died.

I suggest you educate yourself more before you say something stupid again.

Yamanoto

Hope they nab the fools and make 'em do something constructive.

A serious dose of manual labour within St. Finbarr’s itself would be a decent starting point.

hatrickpatrick

First off, I'm as much a patriot as anyone else and I find this kind of thing disgusting.
HOWEVER.
It strikes me that these people were more than likely a bunch of idiot attention seeking trolls.
If we give them national media coverage, are we not almost guaranteeing that they'll get a sick kick out of what they've done and be encouraged to go and do it again?

As nasty as this is, in my view giving these people the satisfaction of any mention in the national media will only spur them on.

dd972

Sounds like the sort of thing done by retards with an anti social agent provocateur angle, not any serious ideological bent, if the graves were in Belfast and it was done by the knuckle dragging elements of Loyalism then that would make sense.

Queen-Mise

OCorcrainn wrote: »

-Tomás Mac Curtain was shot dead in front of his wife and children in his own home by the Royal Irish Constabulary .

-Terence MacSwiney died on hunger strike in protest of his illegal imprisonment by a British Military Cort.

Both were Lord Mayors of Cork when they died.

I suggest you educate yourself more before you say something stupid again.

Get off the fcuking high horse.

I was speculating. I have no idea why he passed the comment.

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

If we give them national media coverage, are we not almost guaranteeing that they'll get a sick kick out of what they've done and be encouraged to go and do it again?

There is probably logic to this, as breakingnews usually is on top of everything. And this is nowhere. It is not on any of the Cork sites either bar one local counsellor.

Meangadh

It shouldn't matter what these men did or how well they are known in history or even why they are known. Doing something like that to a grave is sick and twisted. Let the dead rest in peace.

foxer3640

Mr. Wong wrote: »

Karma's a bitch.

Idiot.

gurramok

Queen-Mise wrote: »

Get off the fcuking high horse.

I was speculating. I have no idea why he passed the comment..

You were "speculating" on something you did not fully understand. Woman up and admit it.

Vandalising graves whether they were Irish or British in that era is wrong.

Laneyh

gurramok wrote: »

You were "speculating" on something you did not fully understand. Woman up and admit it.

Vandalising graves whether they were Irish or British in that era is wrong.

Vandalising graves is wrong full stop.
Probably best to let Mr Wong explain himself if he so wishes, though it smacks of pure trolling.
It would really only be karma, had the men in question desecrated graves in the past - I don't believe they did so Mr Wong's comment is just a very dumb comment.

In addition to disrespecting the memory of the dead, upsetting friends, family and interested citizens these clowns' actions will lead to reduced opening times at the cemetery. That sucks for anyone who has loved ones buried there.

LuciusPax

dd972 wrote: »

Sounds like the sort of thing done by retards with an anti social agent provocateur angle, not any serious ideological bent, if the graves were in Belfast and it was done by the knuckle dragging elements of Loyalism then that would make sense.

This. Wasn't something similar done to the Sean Russell statue in Fairview not that long ago. They accused him of being a fascist because he bought arms from the nazis. Historical hindsight is a hell of a thing, just because these clowns have seen enough films to know that nazi=bad they think they can moralise on the motives of dead men.

Miss Lockhart

Queen-Mise wrote: »

Get off the fcuking high horse.

I was speculating. I have no idea why he passed the comment.

I don't think it's high horsing to expect you to be factual as afaik none of the men listed were even in Dublin for the rising.

Grudaire

We have a bit of a joke of a population here, not only do we seem hell bent on having one of either FF or FG in government it is now apparently fair game to desecrate the graves of good men...

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AlekSmart

OCorcrainn wrote: »

-Tomás Mac Curtain was shot dead in front of his wife and children in his own home by the Royal Irish Constabulary .

-Terence MacSwiney died on hunger strike in protest of his illegal imprisonment by a British Military Court.

Both were Lord Mayors of Cork when they died.

I suggest you educate yourself more before you say something stupid again.

Indeed,good strong historcial facts,even if belatedly unearthed,can help people to develop a broader understanding of stuff that was formerly considered writ in stone.

Perhaps Mr.Wong's Karma comment may well have something to do with what he felt motivated this act ?

It may well be that at least some of the motivation behind this defilement may have been generated by recent coverage of the TV3 Series "In the Name of the Republic" and particulary the Martin Corry tapes....

http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/former-td-chuckled-about-ira-executions-225871.html

He told how local men who had been used as grave diggers called “reaks” protested about how many bodies were being buried in the nearby bog, but it was laughed off by him and another IRA gunman, Daithí Ó Sé, when two more victims were shot in front of the protesting men.

“Daithí [Ó Sé] delivered the two prisoners into Sing Sing himself and brought me up that night to shoot them,” Mr Corry recalled.

“All the reaks were outside and they were laying down the law to us. [They were saying] there will be ghosts found around this place now. There’ll be no more men shot here. ‘Will I make bacon of them?’ says Daithí.

“And all of a sudden the skit [gun] came out of the pocket and bang bang. He shot two of them. Just like that. ‘C’mon we’re home, Corry’.”

Human nature is a quare oul thing altogether,totally apolitical too !

GRMA

AlekSmart wrote: »

Indeed,good strong historcial facts,even if belatedly unearthed,can help people to develop a broader understanding of stuff that was formerly considered writ in stone.

Perhaps Mr.Wong's Karma comment may well have something to do with what he felt motivated this act ?

It may well be that at least some of the motivation behind this defilement may have been generated by recent coverage of the TV3 Series "In the Name of the Republic" and particulary the Martin Corry tapes....

http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/former-td-chuckled-about-ira-executions-225871.html



Human nature is a quare oul thing altogether,totally apolitical too !

There's another good article in the examiner by a historian which refutes that program which was a load of bollocks

fasttalkerchat

I saw this first reported by 32CSM. They said that the graffiti was directed at their organisation.
Anyone know why?

pablomakaveli

Its a disgrace to see the graves of these good men treated in such an awful manner.

I hope the scumbags who did it are caught. I dont really understand why it was daubed in swastikas though. Is it possible it could have been some local scumbags just being scumbags?

Chuck Stone

AlekSmart wrote: »

Indeed,good strong historcial facts,even if belatedly unearthed,can help people to develop a broader understanding of stuff that was formerly considered writ in stone.

Even if it's true, chilling as it sounds, it was during a time of war. Do you expect that those who were fighting the War of Independence against British forces build a state-of-the-art prison and keep their captured Black and Tans and spies in the face of a struggle against overwhelming force?

On 19 March 1921, Tom Barry's 100-strong West Cork IRA unit fought a large-scale action against 1,200 British troops.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_War_of_Independence#cite_note-ipp-54

Also, are you trying develop a broader understanding or are you simply engaging in magnifying the violence of one side while ignoring the context? For a little balance let's consider the violence against those seeking independence:

Between 1 November 1920 and 7 June 1921 twenty four men were executed by the British. The first IRA volunteer to be executed was Kevin Barry, one of The Forgotten Ten who were buried in unmarked graves in unconsecrated ground inside Mountjoy Prison until 2001. On 1 February, the first execution under martial law of an IRA man took place. Cornelius Murphy of Millstreet, Cork was shot in Cork city. On 28 February, six more were executed, again in Cork.

Irish Political Prisoners 1848- 1922 by Seán McConville, p. 697.

fasttalkerchat

This happened before in Belfast and it was the local hoods hitting back after one of them was kneecapped. I wouldn't be surprised if its something similar.

gurramok

So a misguided TV3 program incited this hatred?

GRMA

fasttalkerchat wrote: »

I saw this first reported by 32CSM. They said that the graffiti was directed at their organisation.
Anyone know why?

They said that to try and drum up publicity and support for themselves... ie it was aimed at them because they are the real republicans like Tom Barry and co hence they were both targeted.


Or maybe they have adopted the swastika as their new symbol