Rangers FC On Field Gossip & Rumour Thread 2017 Mod Note in OP(Updated 14/08)

BhoscaCapall wrote: »

Can Sandaza still play for the club after being sacked by the company?

Don't be an ass

While i feel he was harshly treated, he was clearly in breach of contract.

Pompey Magnus wrote: »

It will be an interesting one. A recording without Sandaza consent is a breach of his right to privacy. Can an employer use illegally collected information in a Court of Law against the victim?

Just had a quick look on here: http://www.acitylawfirm.co.uk/recorded-conversations

"The RIPA also prohibits the product of unlawful interceptions to be admissible in court. However, in civil cases some judges take a pragmatic approach that if the information is already disclosed and it is highly relevant, then it will be admitted"

If Rangers are prohibited from using the recording in court then Sandaza would presumably win (assuming Rangers have nothing else to support their claim).

No offence but I am pretty sure Rangers Lawyers would have looked at all that and more. He could also have admitted he said those things

Pompey Magnus wrote: »

Sandaza's lawyer would have considered it too and as it is him that is initiating the appeal he presumably sees a case (or else he has himself a shyster lawyer). I have to assume Sandaza didn't admit to it as he would be even thicker than I thought he was to make the appeal.

Anyway if the link above is credible it seems it is a very grey area of law.

You have a point
Though I think he is very thick
According to the beeb he is thinking of taking legal action against the idiot who made the call

Because he is a crackpot who believes the Masons are out to get him.

Pompey Magnus wrote: »

- He did a prank call not 6 months after a high profiled case of a nurse commiting suicide after being the victim of one.

- He got a man sacked from his job.

- He has left himself open to a compensation claim from Sandaza.

Sounds pretty idiotic to me in fairness.

Cheers saves me posting all that

Broxi_Bear_Eire wrote: »

Cheers saves me posting all that

I forgot to add that the prankster is saving his own team's bitter rival a significant amount every week on a complete flop and has freed up wages for them to pay a better player with more interest in succeeding at the club.

Dempsey wrote: »

In both cases, nobody twisted the people in question's arms to divulge sensitive information/ignore protocols. If I divulged sensitive information of a company I worked for and got caught, intentional or not, I'd expect to be sacked for it. Awful lot of blame culture going on these days in general which I dont agree with at all. People need to harden the fúck up and take responsibility for their own actions. Everyone loves a scapegoat!

I agree that Sandaza should have been sacked and I don't think he should succeed in his appeal against Rangers, but if he has a case against the prankster for breaching his right to privacy then that chap also should be forced to take responsibility for his decision to release the recording to the public and if he loses then hopefully he will regard the praise he got as worth the financial penalty imposed.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/22035246

Rangers are facing a legal bill after a panel judged they should pay the expenses of five former players they were in contract disputes with.

That and the £500k for the EBT legal costs. I wonder how many more fights is Charlie Green ready to fight!

Jelle1880 wrote: »

You honestly believe Rangers will pay even a penny of that 500k ?

As for the players, apparently for a tribunal it's about £10.000 per case, and we're talking 5 players here.

Oh no, there goes the warchest :pac:

Didnt you say that shíte when the bill for D&P came in? Or does that not matter anymore since its a different club?

No, Rangers arent renowned for paying for what they owe (oldco or newco), are they? :rolleyes:

Green played up front ... for me

Disgraced tycoon says HE was behind Sevco's Rangers takeover

DEFIANT Craig Whyte claims he STILL owns Rangers — and chief executive Charles Green was a frontman for HIM.

Disgraced Whyte insists he has a dossier of evidence which proves his case.

And he claims he has proof to back up his allegation that he was conned.
The Scottish Sun has seen a bombshell warning letter Whyte sent to Green and former Rangers director Imran Ahmad days before the recent £22million flotation deal.

We have also obtained secret recordings Whyte made in meetings with Green, Ahmad and Ibrox finance director Brian Stockbridge apparently discussing the takeover of Rangers.

Whyte — who plans a £50million court case — says the evidence proves he and partner Aidan Earley were conned in that deal and the subsequent flotation in December was ILLEGAL.

And he says he also has evidence his involvement in the takeover was kept secret from the SPL and SFL. Last night a source said: “These are dynamite claims and it will be interesting if this does end up in the courts. Conspiracy theorists will be having a field day.”

Sevco 5088 Ltd and Green bought Rangers for £5.5million in June, 2012.
Green transferred the assets — including Murray Park and Ibrox — to a new company called Sevco Scotland days later. Whyte claims the £50million assets were transferred illegally because Green didn’t have his or Earley’s permission. His warning letter — prepared by a London QC — says Whyte and Earley intend to sue Green and Ahmad for deception and breach of contract.

It says Earley approached Ahmad at finance firm Zeus Capital to participate in the takeover, as Whyte wanted a frontman. He believed his negative publicity would “hinder any deal”.

The letter says Ahmad then told Earley he had ‘just the right guys’ — referring to businessman Rafat Rizvi and Green. Whyte claims Ahmad introduced Green and Rizvi to him at a London hotel on May 1 last year. It’s alleged Rizvi and Ahmad agreed to raise funds for the deal while Green would front it. The letter also says that all parties agreed Earley and Whyte would have a majority shareholding in Sevco 5088.

And it alleges that Ahmad, Rizvi, Green and Earley would share a £250,000 fee and ten per cent of share capital raised.

In one of Whyte’s recordings of their meetings, Green says: “You are Sevco, that’s what we are saying.” In a second tape Ahmad discusses Rizvi and how he will represent him on the board. He says: “Charles can’t do anything... you should regard us as your reps (inaudible) no loyalties to Charles, to Rafat (inaudible) as well.” And in the third Ahmad says he could only be the chief executive officer of Rangers if he got the go-ahead from Whyte, and that Green was terrified of the job.

Ahmad says: “I could do that but that can only be at your insistence, only with your majority stake. He’s terrified of the job, it’s a high pressure job.”
Green, 59, has always denied that venture capitalist Whyte was part of his consortium but has admitted meeting him in London.

Last night he said: “Whyte is trying to tout that he was behind the whole deal. He says he has tape recordings of Imran and me saying that he is Sevco 5088. Which is all true. We were warned before we ever met him that he would be taping things.

“What we had to do at the start was get the confidence of this guy for him to give us the shares, to give us the debentures, to do a whole raft of things. I’m not worried about what I’ve said on tape.”

Whyte’s warning letter says December’s flotation on the AIM Stock would “perpetrate a fraud” on himself and potential investors as the assets were still owned by him through Sevco 5088.

But Green hit back: “The only agreements that I entered into with Craig Whyte were that he would hand the shares over and the indemnity to enable the CVA to go ahead and in the event that it didn’t go ahead then those shares and that company would go back to Whyte.

“It would be no good to me anyway because we were now going down the Newco route and that’s why we had this Sevco 5088 and Sevco Scotland.

“The agreements between Craig Whyte and Sevco were that that was conditional on the CVA.”

http://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/scotsol/homepage/news/4873936/Green-played-up-front-for-me.html

:pac:

Lonesome Boatman wrote: »

Green played up front ... for me

Disgraced tycoon says HE was behind Sevco's Rangers takeover

DEFIANT Craig Whyte claims he STILL owns Rangers — and chief executive Charles Green was a frontman for HIM.

Disgraced Whyte insists he has a dossier of evidence which proves his case.

And he claims he has proof to back up his allegation that he was conned.
The Scottish Sun has seen a bombshell warning letter Whyte sent to Green and former Rangers director Imran Ahmad days before the recent £22million flotation deal.

We have also obtained secret recordings Whyte made in meetings with Green, Ahmad and Ibrox finance director Brian Stockbridge apparently discussing the takeover of Rangers.

Whyte — who plans a £50million court case — says the evidence proves he and partner Aidan Earley were conned in that deal and the subsequent flotation in December was ILLEGAL.

And he says he also has evidence his involvement in the takeover was kept secret from the SPL and SFL. Last night a source said: “These are dynamite claims and it will be interesting if this does end up in the courts. Conspiracy theorists will be having a field day.”

Sevco 5088 Ltd and Green bought Rangers for £5.5million in June, 2012.
Green transferred the assets — including Murray Park and Ibrox — to a new company called Sevco Scotland days later. Whyte claims the £50million assets were transferred illegally because Green didn’t have his or Earley’s permission. His warning letter — prepared by a London QC — says Whyte and Earley intend to sue Green and Ahmad for deception and breach of contract.

It says Earley approached Ahmad at finance firm Zeus Capital to participate in the takeover, as Whyte wanted a frontman. He believed his negative publicity would “hinder any deal”.

The letter says Ahmad then told Earley he had ‘just the right guys’ — referring to businessman Rafat Rizvi and Green. Whyte claims Ahmad introduced Green and Rizvi to him at a London hotel on May 1 last year. It’s alleged Rizvi and Ahmad agreed to raise funds for the deal while Green would front it. The letter also says that all parties agreed Earley and Whyte would have a majority shareholding in Sevco 5088.

And it alleges that Ahmad, Rizvi, Green and Earley would share a £250,000 fee and ten per cent of share capital raised.

In one of Whyte’s recordings of their meetings, Green says: “You are Sevco, that’s what we are saying.” In a second tape Ahmad discusses Rizvi and how he will represent him on the board. He says: “Charles can’t do anything... you should regard us as your reps (inaudible) no loyalties to Charles, to Rafat (inaudible) as well.” And in the third Ahmad says he could only be the chief executive officer of Rangers if he got the go-ahead from Whyte, and that Green was terrified of the job.

Ahmad says: “I could do that but that can only be at your insistence, only with your majority stake. He’s terrified of the job, it’s a high pressure job.”
Green, 59, has always denied that venture capitalist Whyte was part of his consortium but has admitted meeting him in London.

Last night he said: “Whyte is trying to tout that he was behind the whole deal. He says he has tape recordings of Imran and me saying that he is Sevco 5088. Which is all true. We were warned before we ever met him that he would be taping things.

“What we had to do at the start was get the confidence of this guy for him to give us the shares, to give us the debentures, to do a whole raft of things. I’m not worried about what I’ve said on tape.”

Whyte’s warning letter says December’s flotation on the AIM Stock would “perpetrate a fraud” on himself and potential investors as the assets were still owned by him through Sevco 5088.

But Green hit back: “The only agreements that I entered into with Craig Whyte were that he would hand the shares over and the indemnity to enable the CVA to go ahead and in the event that it didn’t go ahead then those shares and that company would go back to Whyte.

“It would be no good to me anyway because we were now going down the Newco route and that’s why we had this Sevco 5088 and Sevco Scotland.

“The agreements between Craig Whyte and Sevco were that that was conditional on the CVA.”

http://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/scotsol/homepage/news/4873936/Green-played-up-front-for-me.html

:pac:

Yes because Whyte is know for telling the truth
It is really a joke that Whyte is still a free man he has admitted to not paying PAYE of employees and withholding tax. I somehow doubt this will be a worry