2013 NFL DRAFT

HigginsJ · 31-03-2013 11:21PM

Decided to put up my Binkies & value Binkies

Binkie: Keenan Allen, 6-2/214
Wide Receiver
California

Allen was going to be the top WR in the draft before his knee injury. That being said he has had outstanding production on a pretty average Cal team. I'd expect him to go to Rams/Vikes or somewhere late in the 1st and be the best WR in this draft

Value Binkie 1: Sam Montgomery, 6-3/257
Defensive End
LSU

There is a whiff of Vontaze Burfict's draft stock about Montgomery and his attitude at the combine was poor. That being said he has had very good production in college and has all the athletic ability you could ask for. If he lands with the right team in the 3rd/4th round he'll be an absolute steal

Value Binkie 2: AJ Klein, 6-2/246
ILB
Iowa

Klein has had two years over 100 tackles (even if not at highest level) he is a really solid all-round ILB. Performed really well at the combine and could go as high as the 3rd round now.

HigginsJ · 01-04-2013 10:44PM

http://www.profootballweekly.com/2013/04/01/barkley-smith-scouting-reports

Scouting reports from pro-football weekly on Matt Barkley & Geno Smith. The Geno Smith one does not make good reading. I'm a big Smith fan but serious questions raised due to work ethic questions and combine interviews.

Red Crow · 01-04-2013 10:53PM

He's the first to question his work ethic and he has received generally positive reviews from the combine.

I think that guy has been outed as a bullsh1ter

HigginsJ · 01-04-2013 10:59PM

Eli Manning wrote: »

He's the first to question his work ethic and he has received generally positive reviews from the combine.

I think that guy has been outed as a bullsh1ter

Yea I had not heard anything like that either so it did make worrying reading. I know nothing of the writer

HigginsJ · 01-04-2013 11:15PM

Following the trade of Matt Flynn today the Seahawks are now badly in need of a couple of QB's as they only have Russell Wilson left on the roster.

I can see them targeting Matt Scott or Zac Dysert in the 3rd or 4th round now. Wilson is obviously the future but getting a guy in with a similar skill set to develop as a back-up would do them no harm.

JaMarcus Hustle · 01-04-2013 11:17PM

Yeah Nolan Nawrocki is one of the worst regarded draft writers out there. The only thing Geno Smith has in common with Akili Smith and Aaron Brooks is the colour of his skin. Really bizarre comparisons that make you think it's a race thing with Nawrocki.

Syferus · 01-04-2013 11:26PM

JaMarcus Hustle wrote: »

Yeah Nolan Nawrocki is one of the worst regarded draft writers out there. The only thing Geno Smith has in common with Akili Smith and Aaron Brooks is the colour of his skin. Really bizarre comparisons that make you think it's a race thing with Nawrocki.

The fact he rubbished Cam and had big doubts on RG3 on top that is what sends my alarm bells ringing. Maybe he's trying to cut out a niche for himself as the more-than vaguely racist draft 'analyst'. Clearly there's questions about Smith but

Negatives: Operated an offense where he received adjustments from the sidelines and was often out of sync with receivers. Average field vision and coverage recognition — forces throws and does not work through progressions. Takes unnecessary sacks and does not feel pressure well. Not an elusive scrambler. Shaky lower-body mechanics — does not stand tall in the pocket (crouches, hops, dances and elevates to his toes when he throws). Has pin legs and bad pocket posture. Operated almost exclusively from the gun. Not a student of the game. Nonchalant field presence — does not command respect from teammates and cannot inspire. Mild practice demeanor — no urgency. Not committed or focused — marginal work ethic. Interviewed poorly at the Combine and did not show an understanding of concepts on the white board. Opted not to compete at the Senior Bowl and has approached offseason training as if he has already arrived and it shows in his body with minimal muscle definition or strength. Has small hands and glaring ball security issues (32 career fumbles). Really struggled handling the snow in Pinstripe Bowl (took two safeties) and will be troubled by the elements. Needed to be coddled in college — cannot handle hard coaching.

reads like an assassination piece.

02-04-2013 09:48AM

Syferus wrote: »

reads like an assassination piece.

Jaysis is there anything he didn't say? "Pin legs, shaky lower body mechanics, bad pocket posture, small hands, minimal body definiton and strength"
Are we talking about Smith here or Quasimodo?

TO. · 02-04-2013 11:31AM

Nolan Nawrocki is the king of all hacks and nothing but a clown. All of his stuff is awful. Read most of his scouting previews and they leave you going "What?" Where he gets his opinion from is beyond me. If it is based on his own experience or what he sees himself he should just quit.

LuckyLloyd · 02-04-2013 12:12PM

Chucky the tree wrote: »

From what I've read Barkley had a average pro-day. He didn't dispel any doubts about his poor arm strength.

To be honest, plenty of teams should be thankful that the alternate reality didn't play out that involved USC holding it together last year and Barkley going in the top 10 as a 'franchise' QB.

Paully D · 02-04-2013 01:14PM

Would Ryan Tannehill go #1 in this draft if he was magically placed into it and the Chiefs hadn't signed Smith? Yes, IMO.

Mikeyt086 · 02-04-2013 01:26PM

Paully D wrote: »

Would Ryan Tannehill go #1 in this draft if he was magically placed into it and the Chiefs hadn't signed Smith? Yes, IMO.

Definitely imo. If not, at LEAST #2 to the Jags, who would likely be rejecting trade-down offers from a number of teams.

The question I've been asking is where would Blaine Gabbert go if he was magically placed in this draft class.

Justin10 · 02-04-2013 01:30PM

Mikeyt086 wrote: »

Definitely imo. If not, at LEAST #2 to the Jags, who would likely be rejecting trade-down offers from a number of teams.

The question I've been asking is where would Blaine Gabbert go if he was magically placed in this draft class.

I would have Barkley over them two.

Mikeyt086 · 02-04-2013 02:17PM

Rochey18 wrote: »

I would have Barkley over them two.

I'm certainly warming to the idea of the Jags taking Dion Jordan at #2 and Matt Barkley at 33, but Barkley over Tannehill?

SantryRed · 02-04-2013 02:30PM

Where is Geno Smith actually going to go? It seems like it could be Arizona or no where in the top 20 now.

Mikeyt086 · 02-04-2013 02:43PM

SantryRed wrote: »

Where is Geno Smith actually going to go? It seems like it could be Arizona or no where in the top 20 now.

Well the Jags might still take him at #2, and would the Eagles not be interested?

SantryRed · 02-04-2013 02:49PM

Mikeyt086 wrote: »

Well the Jags might still take him at #2, and would the Eagles not be interested?

I really don't see the Jags taking him at 2. Think it's all a smokescreen trying to get someone to trade up. He'd destroy that franchise even further, would be such a waste.

Syferus · 02-04-2013 02:49PM

I doubt it, Foles showed enough last year to not go drafting a QB whose draft pick would almost demand he starts, nevermind that Chip Kelly has plans for Vick this year.

robluvshandegg · 02-04-2013 02:50PM

SantryRed wrote: »

Where is Geno Smith actually going to go? It seems like it could be Arizona or no where in the top 20 now.

Jags, Raiders, Eagles, Browns, Cardinals, Bills and Jets could all come up with fairly good reasons to draft him. None of those teams have long-term solutions at QB and if they think Geno is that solution, they'll take him. Personally think he won't make it past the Bills. Definitely won't make it past the Jets.

robluvshandegg · 02-04-2013 02:52PM

Syferus wrote: »

I doubt it, Foles showed enough last year to not go drafting a QB whose draft pick would almost demand he starts, nevermind that Chip Kelly has plans for Vick this year.

All depends on how Foles handles Chip Kelly's offense IMO. If he can't run it, he appears to be decent trade bait anyways.

taidghbaby · 02-04-2013 03:04PM

robluvshandegg wrote: »

All depends on how Foles handles Chip Kelly's offense IMO. If he can't run it, he appears to be decent trade bait anyways.

Eagles were trying to trade Foles earlier on to the Chiefs were they not?

Syferus · 02-04-2013 03:32PM

Sounded more like Reid testing the waters to see if he could get him on the cheap IIRC, or if the Eagle could get a king's ransom for him. A lower round pick's salary with decent upside is very valuable even as a back-up so if the Eagles are starting Vick to begin the year they know they'll need someone capable of stepping up given his injury history.

JaMarcus Hustle · 02-04-2013 03:42PM

I would argue both Barkley and Smith are a long, long way ahead of where Tannehill was at this stage last year.

Tannehill had what, less than a season and half's worth of games as a quarterback? Barkley started every game from freshman to senior in both high school and college. Thats roughly 50+ games in high school, and another 50+ games in college. It's incredibly rare to find a guy with that level of experience coming out of college. And not just that experience, but to have it at such a high level and in a pro-style offence. As for Smith, yes, West Virginia's offence is gimmicky, but it's nothing that A&M's offence wasn't in Tannehill's year and a half. And aside from some extra ability running the ball, I don't see anything that Tannehill has that Smith isn't equal/better than at.

davyjose · 02-04-2013 03:59PM

JaMarcus Hustle wrote: »

I would argue both Barkley and Smith are a long, long way ahead of where Tannehill was at this stage last year.

Tannehill had what, less than a season and half's worth of games as a quarterback? Barkley started every game from freshman to senior in both high school and college. Thats roughly 50+ games in high school, and another 50+ games in college. It's incredibly rare to find a guy with that level of experience coming out of college. And not just that experience, but to have it at such a high level and in a pro-style offence. As for Smith, yes, West Virginia's offence is gimmicky, but it's nothing that A&M's offence wasn't in Tannehill's year and a half. And aside from some extra ability running the ball, I don't see anything that Tannehill has that Smith isn't equal/better than at.

Totally agree. This years QB class is getting judged very harshly against last years. Barkley's numbers are down, but they aren't catastrophic. They're better than Eli's coming out of college. It astonishes me how people don't see the wood for the trees with Smith and particularly Barkley.

Heffo001 · 02-04-2013 04:32PM

davyjose wrote: »

Totally agree. This years QB class is getting judged very harshly against last years. Barkley's numbers are down, but they aren't catastrophic. They're better than Eli's coming out of college. It astonishes me how people don't see the wood for the trees with Smith and particularly Barkley.

Definitely agree with this, isn't hindsight a wonderful thing. I remember last year most seemed to be saying that 8th overall was way to high for Tannehill and if he went there it would be another case of a QB getting pushed up boards because of the positional value.

Chucky the tree · 02-04-2013 04:35PM

davyjose wrote: »

Totally agree. This years QB class is getting judged very harshly against last years. Barkley's numbers are down, but they aren't catastrophic. They're better than Eli's coming out of college. It astonishes me how people don't see the wood for the trees with Smith and particularly Barkley.

Numbers are irrelevant. They shouldn't really be used at all. I think both QB's are big risks, and thus are not worth taking in the top 10. I think both should be gone by the end of the 2nd round though. If Barkley goes top 10 it will be seen as a Tannenhill like desperation reach.

HigginsJ · 02-04-2013 09:31PM

I'm pretty convinced by Geno Smith to be honest. If it were me in charge I'd spend a top 3 pick on him. He has it all. He is a much more polished prospect at this stage than Tannehill and he has plenty of upside.

Nice to see Star Lotulelei fully cleared of any heart condition. Could well be back in the conversation to go number 1 overall.

frostie500 · 03-04-2013 06:25PM

The way that I look at Barkley is that his senior year showed that he doesnt have the strongest arm in the world but he has a competent arm. He won't be able to fire a fastball into a tight window like a Flacco or a Griffin but he showed throughout his SC career that he has the intelligence and mobility to move around the pocket to get into the best position to make a completion and move the chains.

I think he was hit most of all by bad coaching. The Trojans were a shambles last year with Kiffin clearly having a terrible season as the coach and lots of uncertainty within the camp. There's only so much that a player can do to overcome these kind of problems and at 21 or 22 it's even more difficult. In his first season Kiffin was able to continue the momentum from Pete Carolls era but with the lost scholarships and the other issues last season was always going to be touch for the players.

Barkley's reputation took a battering last season but if SC were going to be successful they would have need a Matt Leinhart or Vince Young under centre and even then I doubt that they would have been able to achieve much more than Barkley.

As it is no-one is going to take Barkley early in the first round and he'll fall to the later picks of the round which will probably be a good thing for him. He will be able to sit behind a veteran and learn about the offensive system that the team runs, ala Aaron Rodgers. I think that Barkley will be very effective in the NFL as long as he goes to the right team. He will be able to run a west coast offence very effectively as he has shown his presence and intelligence are probably better than any other QB in the draft.

Personally I'd be very happy if the Eagles traded away some picks (2nd and 4th maybe?) and picked Barkley at the bottom end of the first. I'd certainly prefer him to EJ Manuel who we've been linked with. Manuel showed so little to me over the last few years that I don't understand why he's being regarded as anything more than a project player/backup in the NFL

Benny Cake · 03-04-2013 09:40PM

They interviewed an Irish-American kicker called Pat Murray tonight on Newstalk. Interesting story, his parents emigrated 25 years ago from Monaghan. More info here: http://www.irishcentral.com/sport/Fordham-kicker-Patrick-Murray-says-GAA-past-put-him-a-position-on-a-major-NFL-team-200020991.html

Realistically speaking, has he any hope of being drafted? He's had workouts this week with the jets, giants & colts & landed a 61 yard field goal during his pro-day....

Chucky the tree · 03-04-2013 10:18PM

Just on Barkleys arm - what would people compare it to in the NFL at the moment?

2013 NFL DRAFT

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