Graves vandalized and desecrated

Yamanoto · 30-03-2013 01:52AM

Hope they nab the fools and make 'em do something constructive.

A serious dose of manual labour within St. Finbarr’s itself would be a decent starting point.

hatrickpatrick · 30-03-2013 01:56AM

First off, I'm as much a patriot as anyone else and I find this kind of thing disgusting.
HOWEVER.
It strikes me that these people were more than likely a bunch of idiot attention seeking trolls.
If we give them national media coverage, are we not almost guaranteeing that they'll get a sick kick out of what they've done and be encouraged to go and do it again?

As nasty as this is, in my view giving these people the satisfaction of any mention in the national media will only spur them on.

dd972 · 30-03-2013 01:56AM

Sounds like the sort of thing done by retards with an anti social agent provocateur angle, not any serious ideological bent, if the graves were in Belfast and it was done by the knuckle dragging elements of Loyalism then that would make sense.

Queen-Mise · 30-03-2013 01:56AM

OCorcrainn wrote: »

-Tomás Mac Curtain was shot dead in front of his wife and children in his own home by the Royal Irish Constabulary .

-Terence MacSwiney died on hunger strike in protest of his illegal imprisonment by a British Military Cort.

Both were Lord Mayors of Cork when they died.

I suggest you educate yourself more before you say something stupid again.

Get off the fcuking high horse.

I was speculating. I have no idea why he passed the comment.

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

If we give them national media coverage, are we not almost guaranteeing that they'll get a sick kick out of what they've done and be encouraged to go and do it again?

There is probably logic to this, as breakingnews usually is on top of everything. And this is nowhere. It is not on any of the Cork sites either bar one local counsellor.

Meangadh · 30-03-2013 01:56AM

It shouldn't matter what these men did or how well they are known in history or even why they are known. Doing something like that to a grave is sick and twisted. Let the dead rest in peace.

foxer3640 · 30-03-2013 02:03AM

Mr. Wong wrote: »

Karma's a bitch.

Idiot.

gurramok · 30-03-2013 02:03AM

Queen-Mise wrote: »

Get off the fcuking high horse.

I was speculating. I have no idea why he passed the comment..

You were "speculating" on something you did not fully understand. Woman up and admit it.

Vandalising graves whether they were Irish or British in that era is wrong.

Laneyh · 30-03-2013 02:29AM

gurramok wrote: »

You were "speculating" on something you did not fully understand. Woman up and admit it.

Vandalising graves whether they were Irish or British in that era is wrong.

Vandalising graves is wrong full stop.
Probably best to let Mr Wong explain himself if he so wishes, though it smacks of pure trolling.
It would really only be karma, had the men in question desecrated graves in the past - I don't believe they did so Mr Wong's comment is just a very dumb comment.

In addition to disrespecting the memory of the dead, upsetting friends, family and interested citizens these clowns' actions will lead to reduced opening times at the cemetery. That sucks for anyone who has loved ones buried there.

LuciusPax · 30-03-2013 02:29AM

dd972 wrote: »

Sounds like the sort of thing done by retards with an anti social agent provocateur angle, not any serious ideological bent, if the graves were in Belfast and it was done by the knuckle dragging elements of Loyalism then that would make sense.

This. Wasn't something similar done to the Sean Russell statue in Fairview not that long ago. They accused him of being a fascist because he bought arms from the nazis. Historical hindsight is a hell of a thing, just because these clowns have seen enough films to know that nazi=bad they think they can moralise on the motives of dead men.

Miss Lockhart · 30-03-2013 02:44AM

Queen-Mise wrote: »

Get off the fcuking high horse.

I was speculating. I have no idea why he passed the comment.

I don't think it's high horsing to expect you to be factual as afaik none of the men listed were even in Dublin for the rising.

Grudaire · 30-03-2013 02:51AM

We have a bit of a joke of a population here, not only do we seem hell bent on having one of either FF or FG in government it is now apparently fair game to desecrate the graves of good men...

Crann na Beatha · 30-03-2013 02:07PM

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AlekSmart · 30-03-2013 02:45PM

OCorcrainn wrote: »

-Tomás Mac Curtain was shot dead in front of his wife and children in his own home by the Royal Irish Constabulary .

-Terence MacSwiney died on hunger strike in protest of his illegal imprisonment by a British Military Court.

Both were Lord Mayors of Cork when they died.

I suggest you educate yourself more before you say something stupid again.

Indeed,good strong historcial facts,even if belatedly unearthed,can help people to develop a broader understanding of stuff that was formerly considered writ in stone.

Perhaps Mr.Wong's Karma comment may well have something to do with what he felt motivated this act ?

It may well be that at least some of the motivation behind this defilement may have been generated by recent coverage of the TV3 Series "In the Name of the Republic" and particulary the Martin Corry tapes....

http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/former-td-chuckled-about-ira-executions-225871.html

He told how local men who had been used as grave diggers called “reaks” protested about how many bodies were being buried in the nearby bog, but it was laughed off by him and another IRA gunman, Daithí Ó Sé, when two more victims were shot in front of the protesting men.

“Daithí [Ó Sé] delivered the two prisoners into Sing Sing himself and brought me up that night to shoot them,” Mr Corry recalled.

“All the reaks were outside and they were laying down the law to us. [They were saying] there will be ghosts found around this place now. There’ll be no more men shot here. ‘Will I make bacon of them?’ says Daithí.

“And all of a sudden the skit [gun] came out of the pocket and bang bang. He shot two of them. Just like that. ‘C’mon we’re home, Corry’.”

Human nature is a quare oul thing altogether,totally apolitical too !

GRMA · 30-03-2013 02:48PM

AlekSmart wrote: »

Indeed,good strong historcial facts,even if belatedly unearthed,can help people to develop a broader understanding of stuff that was formerly considered writ in stone.

Perhaps Mr.Wong's Karma comment may well have something to do with what he felt motivated this act ?

It may well be that at least some of the motivation behind this defilement may have been generated by recent coverage of the TV3 Series "In the Name of the Republic" and particulary the Martin Corry tapes....

http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/former-td-chuckled-about-ira-executions-225871.html

Human nature is a quare oul thing altogether,totally apolitical too !

There's another good article in the examiner by a historian which refutes that program which was a load of bollocks

fasttalkerchat · 30-03-2013 02:58PM

I saw this first reported by 32CSM. They said that the graffiti was directed at their organisation.
Anyone know why?

pablomakaveli · 30-03-2013 03:08PM

Its a disgrace to see the graves of these good men treated in such an awful manner.

I hope the scumbags who did it are caught. I dont really understand why it was daubed in swastikas though. Is it possible it could have been some local scumbags just being scumbags?

Chuck Stone · 30-03-2013 03:42PM

AlekSmart wrote: »

Indeed,good strong historcial facts,even if belatedly unearthed,can help people to develop a broader understanding of stuff that was formerly considered writ in stone.

Even if it's true, chilling as it sounds, it was during a time of war. Do you expect that those who were fighting the War of Independence against British forces build a state-of-the-art prison and keep their captured Black and Tans and spies in the face of a struggle against overwhelming force?

On 19 March 1921, Tom Barry's 100-strong West Cork IRA unit fought a large-scale action against 1,200 British troops.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_War_of_Independence#cite_note-ipp-54

Also, are you trying develop a broader understanding or are you simply engaging in magnifying the violence of one side while ignoring the context? For a little balance let's consider the violence against those seeking independence:

Between 1 November 1920 and 7 June 1921 twenty four men were executed by the British. The first IRA volunteer to be executed was Kevin Barry, one of The Forgotten Ten who were buried in unmarked graves in unconsecrated ground inside Mountjoy Prison until 2001. On 1 February, the first execution under martial law of an IRA man took place. Cornelius Murphy of Millstreet, Cork was shot in Cork city. On 28 February, six more were executed, again in Cork.

Irish Political Prisoners 1848- 1922 by Seán McConville, p. 697.

fasttalkerchat · 30-03-2013 03:49PM

This happened before in Belfast and it was the local hoods hitting back after one of them was kneecapped. I wouldn't be surprised if its something similar.

gurramok · 30-03-2013 03:59PM

So a misguided TV3 program incited this hatred?

GRMA · 30-03-2013 04:05PM

fasttalkerchat wrote: »

I saw this first reported by 32CSM. They said that the graffiti was directed at their organisation.
Anyone know why?

They said that to try and drum up publicity and support for themselves... ie it was aimed at them because they are the real republicans like Tom Barry and co hence they were both targeted.

Or maybe they have adopted the swastika as their new symbol

fasttalkerchat · 30-03-2013 04:07PM

GRMA wrote: »

They said that to try and drum up publicity and support for themselves... ie it was aimed at them because they are the real republicans like Tom Barry and co hence they were both targeted.

That's what I was thinking.

GRMA · 30-03-2013 04:09PM

gurramok wrote: »

So a misguided TV3 program incited this hatred?

No, of course not, but the shoneens will try to say that it was...

In my head I can already see a "Needless to say I don't agree with these actions whatsoever but it shows that the legacy of the IRA and their until now little spoken of atrocities still hasn't been come to terms with by the public. Now that these things are being spoken of and the myths around these "heroes" dispelled its only natural that people feel betrayed by their one time heroes once they see the reality and totality of their actions" type article in a sunday newspaper

kowloon · 30-03-2013 07:44PM

OCorcrainn wrote: »

It is not, there were swastikas and slurs drawn on the headstones, this is more than a coincidence as this weekend is the commemoration of 1916.

I know, what I meant was I expected it to be a case of scrap thievery when I first opened the thread. As scummy as it is to crowbar plates off a memorial there is motive in the personal gain.

Desecrating graves/headstones/memorials just for the sake of it is more scummy in my pinion, even if paint and marker is more easily remedied than a missing chunk of bronze.

darkdubh · 30-03-2013 07:55PM

Queen-Mise wrote: »

I wonder if it is not the desecration of the graves he agreed with, but rather the disagreeing that they are hero's of this country.
And maybe he is implying that karma has re-payed them this way for what they did 90 odd years ago. They desecrated Dublin and now their graves have been desecrated.

Albeit is is a VERY odd comment. The above is the only possible explanation I can think of.

This is the only place it is. It isn't on any media outlets as yet.

Would You care to explain how Cork based Republicans desecrated Dublin as You put it.

Rioghain · 30-03-2013 09:31PM

The memorial is the first thing you come to when you walk in the gates of St. Finbarr's, and my guess is it is the local scumbags that either don't know or don't care about our history.

Somebody already mentioned that graves in St. Joseph's cemetery nearby have also been vandalised, so maybe they are doing the rounds. I know teenagers go drinking in St. Joseph's so they may have had something to do with that.

My grandad is buried in St. Finbarr's and I would be devastated if anybody vandalised his grave, so hopefully this was a once off.

AlekSmart · 31-03-2013 03:14AM

Chuck Stone wrote: »

Even if it's true, chilling as it sounds, it was during a time of war. Do you expect that those who were fighting the War of Independence against British forces build a state-of-the-art prison and keep their captured Black and Tans and spies in the face of a struggle against overwhelming force?

Also,are you trying develop a broader understanding or are you simply engaging in magnifying the violence of one side while ignoring the context? For a little balance let's consider the violence against those seeking independence:

Somewhat too tit-for-tattery for me,I'm afraid,contextual or not.

There's plenty of active debate elsewhere on the "War" of Independence,even if it usually ends up with grave beardy academics each dissing the others statistics.

Whilst the TV3 series may have ruffled the groves of Academia sure nuff,the bould Martin Corry never hid his light under any bushel..I found this WiKi entry to be quite illuminating in a quirky kinda way..

In the 1938 debate on the Anglo-Irish Trade Agreement which ceded the Treaty Ports to the Irish state, Corry expressed regret that Northern Ireland remained excluded, suggesting "I personally am in favour of storing up sufficient poison gas, so that when you get the wind in the right direction you can start at the Border and let it travel, and follow it."In a 1942 debate on exporting food to Great Britain during World War II, Corry remarked about food shortages there that "They have no more rabbits to get, and now they are on the crows",and "I would not like to see too many crows going out to feed them. I think the crows are too good for them".

The modern Oireachtas Member simply does'nt get as worked up these days.

In general though,as I've aged,and broadened my understanding of human behaviour (;)) I've come to appreciate Henry Ford's thoughts on History...

http://passionforthepast.blogspot.ie/2008/07/history-is-bunk-what-henry-ford-really.html

wolfpawnat · 31-03-2013 03:45AM

What I find shocking is the fact the desecrated the republican plot and then went off to find Tom Barry's grave, which is located elsewhere in the cemetery. An absolute disgrace, no matter what your leanings, a persons final resting place is sacred. I have been to the graves of loyalist and unionist hero's and though I have little good to say of them, I would treat their graves with at least some dignity. A far cry from these bástards!

Tis true what I have heard said about my birth county in recent times, the only rebel thing the Rebel county ever rebelled against, was rebelling! not to mention "The only rebel they had they shot". Ashamed does not cover my emotion for this. What the hell sort of place is this if graves risk vandalism? Were I in Cork, I would be the first to help clean the graves. No one would like it done to their own families, why the hell do it to others!

getzls · 31-03-2013 06:29AM

Totally wrong to desecrate any grave.
Even those who some would regard as terrorists ones.

Galwayguy35 · 31-03-2013 07:28AM

getzls wrote: »

Totally wrong to desecrate any grave.
Even those who some would regard as terrorists ones.

And why would anyone regard these men as "terrorists"?

At first I thought is was done by a bunch of skangers who probably couldn't even spell the word "history" but now I'm not so sure.

Grand Moff Tarkin · 31-03-2013 07:33AM

Mr. Wong wrote: »

Karma's a bitch.

Sad to think such brave men laid down their lives for the likes of you and the people who "thanked" your post.

Also what is the obsession with people wanting to know if it is reported in national media outlets?

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