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  • #2042
    Citizenpain
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,048 ✭✭✭Citizenpain


    Looking for some advise please

    Currently building an extension and want to put in an insert multi-fuel non boiler stove; something like the TR8C. is a block built chimney breast the best way to go? I guess we will need a granite hearth but will the breast also need a granite panel or tiles?

    Sorry if this has been asked a million times before!!!

    CP


  • #2043
    Zipppy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,053 ✭✭✭Zipppy


    Hi
    Looking at getting a stove to replace an inset gas fire we have.

    Aside of the cost of the stove we have gotten a quote of over 2K to take out gas fire, do some break out/rebuild work at fireplace, install flue etc...

    This seems insanity ? Stove is less that 1k but it comes to 3k including install ??


  • #2044
    Tillerman08
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 59 ✭✭Tillerman08


    Apologies if Im just repeating a question to a previous post! I am looking into buying a stove for a new build. We have 18 rads in house and these rads are doubles. I am looking at buying a stove that will heat 15-18 rads (budget)! Our heating system will be zoned and therefore we will only ever need to heat 12 rads max at a time and not all (36) at once. My question is would I be better off going for a stove that will be able to heat over 20 rads or will the 15-18 rads stove be good enough for what I want. The stove we are looking at is the Inishmeain Mk 2 boiler stove!

    Thanks in advance for the help


  • #2045
    Tifosi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 107 ✭✭Tifosi


    crazy_kenny wrote: »
    Anyone know any suppliers of double sided stoves?

    Are you looking for insert or freestanding. If it is insert you are looking for I am aware of a few, what Kw rating are you looking for.


  • #2046
    Anne Other
    Closed Accounts Posts: 172 ✭✭Anne Other


    Has anybody advice to give me re a HENLEY DRUID STOVE?


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  • #2047
    Robbie.G
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,884 ✭✭✭Robbie.G


    Zipppy wrote: »
    Hi
    Looking at getting a stove to replace an inset gas fire we have.

    Aside of the cost of the stove we have gotten a quote of over 2K to take out gas fire, do some break out/rebuild work at fireplace, install flue etc...

    This seems insanity ? Stove is less that 1k but it comes to 3k including install ??
    Need a lot more info what stove? Freestanding or inset?what chinmney adjustments are you talking is the chimney goin to be relined flexi liner?
    But all that said 3k sounds a bit much but impossible to give accurate price if your unhappy with your quote look for others


  • #2048
    paul71
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,360 ✭✭✭paul71


    Anybody know anything about bypassing the need for rads completely and venting warm air from the stove to all rooms in a house? I am particularly looking at pacificenergy stoves from Canada. The idea is that without a backboiler cooling the stove the energy output is more efficient and using electric fans a 21kw can heat 180 m2 home.

    I would appreciate input from anyone with more knowledge on this.


  • #2049
    Robbie.G
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,884 ✭✭✭Robbie.G


    paul71 wrote: »
    Anybody know anything about bypassing the need for rads completely and venting warm air from the stove to all rooms in a house? I am particularly looking at pacificenergy stoves from Canada. The idea is that without a backboiler cooling the stove the energy output is more efficient and using electric fans a 21kw can heat 180 m2 home.

    I would appreciate input from anyone with more knowledge on this.
    Check out this crowd.they have something that might suit
    http://vesta-heat.com/


  • #2050
    paul71
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,360 ✭✭✭paul71


    Robbie.G wrote: »
    Check out this crowd.they have something that might suit
    http://vesta-heat.com/

    The idea is the right and in addition to the venting I had not thought of a heat exchange system, that would result in a bigger saving but the stove is 76% efficiency rating. The stoves I was looking at have a 90% EPA efficiency rating. I am not sure if the efficiency ratings in Canada/America are different to the ones here.


  • #2051
    micks_address
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,190 ✭✭✭micks_address


    hi guys, the topic of a stove is something that comes up quite a bit in our house. When we moved in, the sitting room had a gas fire fitted, so we had that removed and just put in a grate and proper fireback, we light the fire from september to april depending on weather etc and love it. We burn a mixture of turf/coal/some wood blocks and briquettes.

    We have talked about adding a stove as a) they are more efficient and b)out daughter suffers from asthma and my wife thinks that the open fire is probably adding smoke to the room that we could do without.

    Now we ideally it would be great to add a stove that would also heat the water, but there is no plumbing there for it. I assume we'd need to at least run two pipes to our hot water cylinder, possibly change the cylinder for a double coiled one and add a second circulation pump? Our main heating is a gas boiler that is in the house at least 15 years.

    The other question is space. We have a marble hearth about 20" deep in front of the current fireplace. If we were to go with a stove would we be able to fit it on the current hearth - and is it easy enough to flu up to our existing chimney?

    Other question is re chimney fires with stoves - we actually had one last year with our open fire, a piece of paper floated up the chimney and set it off, no damage done but was a bit scary! Are stoves safer in terms of chimney fires?

    Apologies if these questions are already covered in the thread

    Cheers,
    Mick


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  • #2052
    MugMugs
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,875 ✭✭✭✭MugMugs


    @micks_address

    You can get an inset stove. Something like this which won't protude too much more onto the hearth. I am presuming if you're able to burn an open fire without issue that your fire place would meet up to what's required for this. This is an Esse301.
    Esse_301_Inset_Multifuel_Stove.jpg
    An Esse350 can be rigged up to a back boiler but if you don't already have one then you're looking at a lot of work to get one rigged.

    In relation to your chimney, you'd probably be best having her lined with a flexi flue but honestly, should consider having a pro out to view it himself and advise accordingly.


  • #2053
    Zipppy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,053 ✭✭✭Zipppy


    Robbie.G wrote: »
    Need a lot more info what stove? Freestanding or inset?what chinmney adjustments are you talking is the chimney goin to be relined flexi liner?
    But all that said 3k sounds a bit much but impossible to give accurate price if your unhappy with your quote look for others

    Free standing Inis stove..work will involved breaking out current opening (to make it bigger) with blocks, plastering etc...and I gather a flue will need to be fitted in chimney..


  • #2054
    micks_address
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,190 ✭✭✭micks_address


    Thanks,

    From a cost point of view its looks from a quick google that the Esse301 would be about 1100, how much would relining the flu be? Looks like an ideal solution for us.. do you get the same heat output as say a freestanding stove?

    Cheers,
    Mick
    MugMugs wrote: »
    @micks_address

    You can get an inset stove. Something like this which won't protude too much more onto the hearth. I am presuming if you're able to burn an open fire without issue that your fire place would meet up to what's required for this. This is an Esse301.
    Esse_301_Inset_Multifuel_Stove.jpg
    An Esse350 can be rigged up to a back boiler but if you don't already have one then you're looking at a lot of work to get one rigged.

    In relation to your chimney, you'd probably be best having her lined with a flexi flue but honestly, should consider having a pro out to view it himself and advise accordingly.


  • #2055
    Bligh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 179 ✭✭Bligh


    Hi Everyone, this is a very informative thread and feel more informed in realtion to the type of stove I want, but a would like to have a few thoughts on my set up.

    I have a 2500 sq feet house with main Heating system being oil. I have 19 rads a mixture of single and double with 7 of turned off and only turned on if required.

    In the living room I have a fire with back boiler, which is hopeless at heating the rads. I planing to change this to a Boru Carrick Mor 30kw, has anyone any experience of this stove?

    How well does it perform in realtion to heat output and fuel consumption.

    My plan will be to light it in the morning and leave it running all day does anyone do this?

    Many thanks


  • #2056
    Brianne
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 244 ✭✭Brianne


    Mick you will not get the same output of heat atall into the room from an insert as from the freestanding. We got a Yola insert in last year, which I must say we are very pleased with. Its fantastic for the rads. Our room is 16 x 12 and we have a large double rad in it which we certainly need. The Yola comes out 5'' and we have 14'' of heart in front of it so your marble heart is fine. Again we 're really happy with this stove, big window, large firebox so looks like your own fire is still there! What I find very good also is we get very little window blackening atall with it. We paid 630 euro for best grade chimney liner 904 Thats not including labour as he had lots of other work to do so I can't give you a breakdown.
    As regards being cleaner than open fire, I think thats the main reason I went for it. What size is your sitting room?


  • #2057
    micks_address
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,190 ✭✭✭micks_address


    Thanks Brianne,

    I havent measured our room in a while but at a guess its about 15 foot by 15 foot.

    We have a double rad in it as well, but we dont have a back boiler. We find with the open fire it just gives us a nice cosy feeling in the sitting room and we sometimes turn off the rad if its to much, but we obviously then have the heat on to heat the rads upstairs etc. Its a pity our fireplace isnt plumbed for a back boiler as obviously it would make a lot of sense to be able to heat some of the rads while burning fuel in the fire!

    Anyway I'll measue up and I'll probably get a quotation during the summer, we'll probably look at getting the work done before september in time for next winter.

    Cheers,
    Mick
    Brianne wrote: »
    Mick you will not get the same output of heat atall into the room from an insert as from the freestanding. We got a Yola insert in last year, which I must say we are very pleased with. Its fantastic for the rads. Our room is 16 x 12 and we have a large double rad in it which we certainly need. The Yola comes out 5'' and we have 14'' of heart in front of it so your marble heart is fine. Again we 're really happy with this stove, big window, large firebox so looks like your own fire is still there! What I find very good also is we get very little window blackening atall with it. We paid 630 euro for best grade chimney liner 904 Thats not including labour as he had lots of other work to do so I can't give you a breakdown.
    As regards being cleaner than open fire, I think thats the main reason I went for it. What size is your sitting room?


  • #2058
    Brianne
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 244 ✭✭Brianne


    Yes certainly the fire throws out fantastic heat into the room. I miss that part! They do say the non boiler inserts do throw more heat out than the boiler ones. Theres only an output of 3 to room from our one where I see you can get the non boiler ones with a way higher output to room so do keep enquiring into it. You really need to see one in use in somebodys house before you decide as its a fairly big decision.


  • #2059
    Cillfeicin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4 ✭Cillfeicin


    So I have geothermal heating with under floor which runs on night rate. I have my tank in the garage with insulated piping bringing the hot water to the house. I have found the conservatory which is a playroom for the kid’s cold and am looking at putting in place a stove to heat the downstairs during the day/evenings. Some options I am looking at are.
    1 .5KW no boiler stove in conservatory with flue going through the roof
    2. 5kw non boiler stove in the living room which has opening to kitchen and conservatory.
    3. Stove with boiler with pipe running into attic to tank to heat water
    4. Stove with boiler with pipe running into conservatory for rad.
    5. Stove with boiler with pipe running into conservatory for rad as well as heating 2 more rads in converted attic as well as heating water.

    The problems with (3,4,5) are no tank or boiler in house .so could I do the following
    Install Stove with boiler in existing blocked up fireplace run pipe up the chimney to attic (2story with converted attic) 30 feet. Put hot water tank in attic and connect this to existing hot water system, 2 rads in attic as well as running pipe back down chimney to heat a rad in the conservatory. So is this totally mad or what. What do you suggest?


  • #2060
    mjmc4004
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37 ✭mjmc4004


    Is it ok to have the stove going directly into the rads and not piped to the cylinder so only the rads get heat ?


  • #2061
    Robbie.G
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,884 ✭✭✭Robbie.G


    mjmc4004 wrote: »
    Is it ok to have the stove going directly into the rads and not piped to the cylinder so only the rads get heat ?

    No it's not ok.If fitting a boiler stove you must run a gravity circuit to the cylinder this is also for safety and the heating system must be open vented.


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  • #2062
    Robbie.G
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,884 ✭✭✭Robbie.G


    Cillfeicin wrote: »
    So I have geothermal heating with under floor which runs on night rate. I have my tank in the garage with insulated piping bringing the hot water to the house. I have found the conservatory which is a playroom for the kid’s cold and am looking at putting in place a stove to heat the downstairs during the day/evenings. Some options I am looking at are.
    1 .5KW no boiler stove in conservatory with flue going through the roof
    2. 5kw non boiler stove in the living room which has opening to kitchen and conservatory.
    3. Stove with boiler with pipe running into attic to tank to heat water
    4. Stove with boiler with pipe running into conservatory for rad.
    5. Stove with boiler with pipe running into conservatory for rad as well as heating 2 more rads in converted attic as well as heating water.

    The problems with (3,4,5) are no tank or boiler in house .so could I do the following
    Install Stove with boiler in existing blocked up fireplace run pipe up the chimney to attic (2story with converted attic) 30 feet. Put hot water tank in attic and connect this to existing hot water system, 2 rads in attic as well as running pipe back down chimney to heat a rad in the conservatory. So is this totally mad or what. What do you suggest?

    The boiler stove option will not work as with moving your cylinder to the attic there will be no expansion off the stove and if will pitch constantly so this is a non runner.

    Go with getting a non boiler stove fitted in livingroom and let the heat circulate the conservatory.I would under no circumstances fit a stove in a children's playroom as once lit they are highly dangerous due to the fact that the stove will get extremely hot and if a child touched it.


  • #2063
    Robbie.G
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,884 ✭✭✭Robbie.G


    Zipppy wrote: »
    Free standing Inis stove..work will involved breaking out current opening (to make it bigger) with blocks, plastering etc...and I gather a flue will need to be fitted in chimney..

    If you wanted to keep costs down you could always go for a insert stove there is very little work to chimney and fireplace for them otherwise get additional quotes for the works


  • #2064
    mjmc4004
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37 ✭mjmc4004


    Robbie.G wrote: »
    No it's not ok.If fitting a boiler stove you must run a gravity circuit to the cylinder this is also for safety and the heating system must be open vented.
    Thanks for your reply

    What if I use a heat exchanger on the cylinder if I don't have a extra coil or should i try to get an extra coil fitted .....or change cylinder?


  • #2065
    mjmc4004
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37 ✭mjmc4004


    Robbie.G wrote: »
    No it's not ok.If fitting a boiler stove you must run a gravity circuit to the cylinder this is also for safety and the heating system must be open vented.
    Thanks for your reply

    What if I use a heat exchanger on the cylinder if I don't have a extra coil or should i try to get an extra coil fitted .....or change cylinder?


  • #2066
    Robbie.G
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,884 ✭✭✭Robbie.G


    mjmc4004 wrote: »
    Thanks for your reply

    What if I use a heat exchanger on the cylinder if I don't have a extra coil or should i try to get an extra coil fitted .....or change cylinder?

    What type of heating do you have oil/gas
    Sealed or open system
    You would need a dual coil cylinder and if a sealed system a plate heat exchanger but then your getting into a lot of expense


  • #2067
    Dtp79
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,097 ✭✭✭Dtp79


    mjmc4004 wrote: »
    Thanks for your reply

    What if I use a heat exchanger on the cylinder if I don't have a extra coil or should i try to get an extra coil fitted .....or change cylinder?

    Better off changing your cylinder and Maybe go up a size while your at it cause you'll have loads of hot water with your stove


  • #2068
    mjmc4004
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37 ✭mjmc4004


    Robbie.G wrote: »
    What type of heating do you have oil/gas
    Sealed or open system
    You would need a dual coil cylinder and if a sealed system a plate heat exchanger but then your getting into a lot of expense

    Hi Robbie

    Its a 300 liter dual coil cylinder with open vented system with oil and solar for heating the water ...the stove was in the cylinder ,then took it out to put in the solar ...originally I got the cylinder made for all three but turned out there's only two coils so now the stove is not going in to the cylinder and its pitching like mad ...most of the hot water from the rads ends up on the footpath


  • #2069
    mikehn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 621 ✭✭✭mikehn


    Looking for advice, I have been offered a Stanley Errigal oil stove but I want something that will run on solid fuel which I have a plentiful supply of.
    This Errigal is not a conversion, it was a factory oil installation so I am wondering if it is possible to convert it to burn solid fuel.
    Any opinions would be appreciated.
    Cheers


  • #2070
    paddy147
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 15,857 ✭✭✭✭paddy147


    Does anyone know where in Ireland I can get 2 meters of 14mm thick stove rope seal??

    The biggest size anyone seems to stock is 12mm.

    I need 14mm for my Stovax Riva 66 stove.


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  • #2071
    Robbie.G
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,884 ✭✭✭Robbie.G


    mikehn wrote: »
    Looking for advice, I have been offered a Stanley Errigal oil stove but I want something that will run on solid fuel which I have a plentiful supply of.
    This Errigal is not a conversion, it was a factory oil installation so I am wondering if it is possible to convert it to burn solid fuel.
    Any opinions would be appreciated.
    Cheers

    It's not possible to convert the stove to solid fuel AFAIK
    If in doubt contact Stanley in Waterford


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