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Aer Lingus new livery.

  • 27-03-2013 8:53pm
    #1
    Billyum
    Registered Users Posts: 55 ✭✭


    Aer Lingus have had their current livery for the best part of 20 years and I think they need a new one, have they ever considered changing it. The one they have is great but its oh so 90's!

    Some of my suggestions


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  • #2
    Suasdaguna1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 525 ✭✭✭Suasdaguna1


    There was a long thread on this topic way back with many different designs. I like the 2nd drawing, looks cool. The first looks a bit of a hire in jobbie with hue of green blended in.

    What about Ryanair ? I'm utterly bored of their color scheme but changing paint schemes costs money which the boss is allergic to. :))


  • #3
    Billyum
    Registered Users Posts: 55 ✭✭Billyum


    not that allergic apparently, 10% pay rise for all Ryanair staff the other day


  • #4
    Chuck Stone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,030 ✭✭✭✭Chuck Stone


    Same colour as these beetles if it could be done.

    4554677294_7bb1e86669.jpg

    With gold coloured lettering.


  • #5
    james142
    Registered Users Posts: 331 ✭✭james142


    I like the current livery.


  • #6
    Yawlboy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 748 ✭✭✭Yawlboy


    I prefer the retro livery on the have on one of their planes http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/aer-lingus-gold-circle-club/1198688-aer-lingus-new-retro-livery.html


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  • #7
    donvito99
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,818 ✭✭✭donvito99


    As I said here last time, the Aer Lingus livery is definitely one of the most striking and recognisable in the business.

    To eurowhite the front, as the first picture proposes would be a disaster. And I don't think it will be changed anytime soon. And look at the cock up Iberia made with their presumably abandoned new livery. It was horrific, only made it onto the engine cowling of a 330 I believe.

    My favourite incarnation of the current, 1996 livery has to be this...

    3306551709_b582571798_z.jpg?zz=1


  • #8
    Billyum
    Registered Users Posts: 55 ✭✭Billyum


    I suppose.... i think Air France did a fantastic job with theirs, the change was really subtle but still brought it into 21st century. If EI could emulate something small like this i think i could look great, although it could look ****e too!:-o


  • #9
    Plowman
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  • #10
    Plowman
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  • #11
    basill
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,349 ✭✭✭basill


    Money money money. I understand there were grand plans for the 75th but when the quotes came in it was quickly scaled back. It's all about cost versus benefit at AL now.


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  • #12
    sully2010
    Registered Users Posts: 594 ✭✭✭sully2010


    Here's the link for the previous thread, have to say I do like the first one. Id agree with the previous poster though, just a minor sprucing up would suffice to an already striking livery. Alitalia moved their cheat line below the windows (think Klm did similar) and this did have the effect of modernising the livery

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056349446


  • #13
    iopener
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 186 ✭✭iopener


    first one isn't too bad might be slighty cheaper using bog stadard white for 3/4 of the aircraft, the second one is not for me i'm seeing double and splitting the aer lingus text into two different colours is hard on the eyes.i don't think aer lingus will be changing their fleet colours any time soon.


  • #14
    dubdaymo
    Registered Users Posts: 307 ✭✭dubdaymo


    Aer Lingus have had their current livery for the best part of 20 years and I think they need a new one, have they ever considered changing it. The one they have is great but its oh so 90's!

    Some of my suggestions
    They are possibly the worst-looking liveries I have ever seen and hope EI doesn't take any "inspiration" from either of them. Nothing wrong with what they have at the mo.


  • #15
    sunnysoutheast
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,072 ✭✭✭sunnysoutheast


    Yawlboy wrote: »
    I prefer the retro livery on the have on one of their planes http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/aer-lingus-gold-circle-club/1198688-aer-lingus-new-retro-livery.html

    +1

    Classy, simple and iconic.


  • #16
    Peregrine
    Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 26,403 Mod ✭✭✭✭Peregrine


    I actually like your suggestions. I don't like the current livery, never have never will. I despise straight lines and having top half one colour and bottom another, needs more streaks and flows or blended colours.

    Not a fan of writing names as one word with no capitals like the second one though :p Aer Lingus > aerlingus


  • #17
    Jamie2k9
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,754 ✭✭✭✭Jamie2k9


    I don't like either of your suggestions but if I had to pick it would be the first one. I think if EI used a different shade of green and kept the current livey it would be good.


  • #18
    thelikelylad
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 369 ✭✭thelikelylad


    Just a quick something I threw together. Going back to the days of the white shamrock.

    EI A320 livery


  • #19
    Suasdaguna1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 525 ✭✭✭Suasdaguna1


    thelikelylad wrote: »
    Just a quick something I threw together. Going back to the days of the white shamrock.

    EI A320 livery

    An all green scheme? Nope looks Yuke IMO.


  • #20
    BeardySi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,707 ✭✭✭BeardySi


    Fade out the cheat line or make it mire like a ribbon, maybe spruce up the tail a little, otherwise it's grand as it s! Always very visible in a crowded airport, and always a lovely sight when flying into a foreign airport to see a green EIN jet on the ramp...


  • #21
    donvito99
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,818 ✭✭✭donvito99


    Treadhead wrote: »
    Fade out the cheat line or make it mire like a ribbon, maybe spruce up the tail a little, otherwise it's grand as it s! Always very visible in a crowded airport, and always a lovely sight when flying into a foreign airport to see a green EIN jet on the ramp...

    Which is why a predominantly white livery wouldn't, what with BA, Iberia, Air France, Lufthansa, Austrian, Finnair and others sporting eurowhite.


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  • #22
    Tenger
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 9,930 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tenger


    donvito99 wrote: »
    Which is why a predominantly white livery wouldn't, what with BA, Iberia, Air France, Lufthansa, Austrian, Finnair and others sporting eurowhite.
    From a branding point of view the green top livery is brillant, it stands out in any airport. Many airlines have colours on the bottom with a white top, (BA) or a variation of the boring 'EuroWhite' livery. (AF, LH, LX, IB) The KLM livery is similar, stands out from the crowd.

    A possible refresh I would welcome would be to keep the colours and shamrock but maybe add some curves. Similar to the Bmi livery.
    Yawlboy wrote: »
    I prefer the retro livery on the have on one of their planes http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/aer-lingus-gold-circle-club/1198688-aer-lingus-new-retro-livery.html
    I happen to know the guy who pushed for this to happen. He had got no-where with the previous CEO in 2005/6. Got in contact with the new CEO in late 2009 and put his case forward, even emailed images of various liveries to support his case. New CEO was very open to cost effective suggestions in this manner. He actually emailed my mate with the Airbus design plans 2 days after EI got them, so I knew the livery about 4 months before it was painted. Had to keep my mouth shut though.

    EDIT:after reading the post by Stovepipe I must point out that the EI retro livery may well disappear when that particular aircraft is due for a repaint. I would guess that will be within the next 18 months.


  • #23
    aw
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 786 ✭✭✭aw


    Might be a silly question......

    But why is it called a cheat line?


  • #24
    Strumms
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,797 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    i don't think the current livery is at all dated. It's still fairly modern and striking compared to many out there. Some of the aircraft I have noted recently could do with a new lick of paint perhaps.


  • #25
    triple-M
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,171 ✭✭✭triple-M


    aw wrote: »
    Might be a silly question......

    But why is it called a cheat line?
    was wondering the same thing


  • #26
    donvito99
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,818 ✭✭✭donvito99


    Strumms wrote: »
    i don't think the current livery is at all dated. It's still fairly modern and striking compared to many out there. Some of the aircraft I have noted recently could do with a new lick of paint perhaps.

    A few years back I think they may have slightly altered the colour (green) on some of the older a/c, or perhaps they had just faded. There were some very odd looking 330s for a time, they've since left the fleet.


  • #27
    Amirani
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,533 Mod ✭✭✭✭Amirani


    aw wrote: »
    Might be a silly question......

    But why is it called a cheat line?

    It's a line that airlines use to make aircraft appear longer and bigger than they are. Apparently that's a bit of a selling point for some people, particularly in the past. So in a sense, they "cheat" people into thinking they use large aircraft.


  • #28
    Lapin
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 18,184 ✭✭✭✭Lapin


    I've always hated the way the 'cheat line' (now that I know what its called !) comes to an abrupt stop (or start) at the front of the aircraft.

    It looks clumsy and doesn't align with the shape of a plane.

    If I remember correctly, the current Aer Lingus livery was designed by a British company. Lets hope any future revisions showcase the best of Irish design.


  • #29
    Stovepipe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,984 ✭✭✭Stovepipe


    a couple of points: paint schemes are expensive and cost downtime, which is why airlines prefer simple ones. A lot of the complex designs are vinyl stick-on decals so that they can be removed easily when the plane is sold on or given back to the leasing company.Also, manufacturers will only sell you a white aircraft, as it's the most basic and cheapest paint scheme they can get away with, unless you are prepared to pay extra for a more complex scheme. apart from that, repaints are often timed to coincide with an aircraft coming out of overhaul, so that it's stay in the paint shop does not take away from service time, ie, 24 days for a C-check and a week for paint would be typical. Lapin, the paint scheme stops at the radome because you don't want non-radar-transparent paint in front of the radar, unless you are prepared to pay a lot extra for suitable paint.

    regards
    Stovepipe


  • #30
    Billyum
    Registered Users Posts: 55 ✭✭Billyum


    What about this one, i think its really nice one, looks really good on a 748 at least!

    http://www.cardatabase.net/modifiedairlinerphotos/search/photo_search.php?id=00013007

    and this one

    http://www.cardatabase.net/modifiedairlinerphotos/search/photo_search.php?id=00014832


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  • #31
    Amirani
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,533 Mod ✭✭✭✭Amirani


    Billyum wrote: »
    What about this one, i think its really nice one, looks really good on a 748 at least!

    http://www.cardatabase.net/modifiedairlinerphotos/search/photo_search.php?id=00013007

    and this one

    http://www.cardatabase.net/modifiedairlinerphotos/search/photo_search.php?id=00014832

    First one is nice. I'm not a fan of the second.


  • #32
    Tenger
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 9,930 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tenger


    NiallSparky wrote: »
    First one is nice. I'm not a fan of the second.

    1st is a tweak of the current livery.....2nd looks like a charter airline.


  • #33
    Zonda999
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,533 ✭✭✭Zonda999


    I like the current EI livery too. As others have said, it is still distinctive and isn't eurowhite. I think a small refresh would be an idea though, nothing too much, just maybe a more modern looking logo and a change to the tail fin

    http://www.cardatabase.net/modifiedairlinerphotos/search/photo_search.php?id=00013007

    Something like this would be cool, although any of these renders may as well be done on the A320 seeing as I doubt EI will ever be operaating the 747 again :) Who knows, maybe for the A350 launch in 2015? That would be a god time to do it


  • #34
    b757
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,370 ✭✭✭b757


    Zonda999 wrote: »
    Who knows, maybe for the A350 launch in 2015? That would be a good time to do it

    I wouldn't count on it, few rumours going around..


  • #35
    neaideabh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 534 ✭✭✭neaideabh


    Plowman wrote: »
    This post has been deleted.

    I had always thought the same. It was one of the first things I noticed the they rebranded! The sudden stop of the cheatline makes the livery design look like a half arsed effort!

    I was always fond of the livery of the 80's. It always reminded me of when I went on holidays with my parents!


  • #36
    Bessarion
    Registered Users Posts: 232 ✭✭Bessarion


    neaideabh wrote: »
    .....I was always fond of the livery of the 80's. It always reminded me of when I went on holidays with my parents!
    This is always an issue with airline rebranding. So many customers/passengers have memories of the airline that are tied into the image of the aircraft from their own personal history. Just look at how divided opinion is over the new American Airlines livery.

    Personally I disliked the white shamrock livery, I much prefer the current colours,I think it still looks modern. My favourite strangely is the 1960-1974 white with dark green cheatline, as modeled by the current retro A320.
    But each to their own. Any livery tweak/redesign will cause controversy.

    On a related I saw an AA B777 2 days ago in the US. The livery actually looks pretty nice in the flesh. I still think the tail is a bit in your face. I almost stood up and put my hand on my heart.


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  • #37
    donvito99
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,818 ✭✭✭donvito99


    Any new livery has to include a bit of St Patrick blue IMO?

    And also, the aerlingusDOTcom logo is dead and gone, thank christ for that.


  • #38
    donvito99
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,818 ✭✭✭donvito99


    This a/c, and this livery. Epic.

    00012816.jpg


  • #39
    Suasdaguna1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 525 ✭✭✭Suasdaguna1


    donvito99 wrote: »
    This a/c, and this livery. Epic.

    Wow, now we are talkin. That triple 7 looks a mean machine in those retro colors.


  • #40
    Zonda999
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,533 ✭✭✭Zonda999


    b757 wrote: »
    I wouldn't count on it, few rumours going around..
    Ugh, that sounds daunting.. Care to elaborate?


  • #41
    Scone190
    Registered Users Posts: 76 ✭✭Scone190


    Zonda999 wrote: »
    Ugh, that sounds daunting.. Care to elaborate?

    Rumours are that shamrock will be canceling the order for the a350s for the neos


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  • #42
    Suasdaguna1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 525 ✭✭✭Suasdaguna1


    Scone190 wrote: »
    Rumours are that shamrock will be canceling the order for the a350s for the neos

    I'll second that. There v happy with their limited fleet of 330s. They serve them well and will continue to do so. A330 production line alive and well and has been their best twin med ranger built.
    Neo... Wouldn't be surprised If EIN were launch etops customer like they were on the 330.


  • #43
    Dacian
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 812 ✭✭✭Dacian


    Zonda999 wrote: »
    Ugh, that sounds daunting.. Care to elaborate?
    EI CEO is on record as saying that A350 is 'over specced' for the EI network.
    The A330-302's can operate to SFO easily. In addition Airbus have increased the MTOW of the A333 with the activation of the centre fuel tank.
    Hence no real need for the longer range A350. EI hold quite early delivery slots for their 6 A350 (also got slots in 2018 for another 3)

    It would not be a big stretch to see EI giving up some of those A350 in return for a nice deal on 4-6 A321NEO's and then replace their current A330's with newer models. Being launch customer as suggested above would also help with the economics of the deal.

    Personally I would like to see EI get the A350, but the bean counters are the guys who make the decisions in the end. I think a mix of A350/A333/A321NEO/A320 may be too messy for an airline with less than 50 aircraft.


  • #44
    basill
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,349 ✭✭✭basill


    CEO confirmed as much in a recent business briefing to us. Expect the 350 slots to go in favour of the 321NEO and us to be launch customer for ETOPS certs.


  • #45
    donvito99
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,818 ✭✭✭donvito99


    basill wrote: »
    CEO confirmed as much in a recent business briefing to us. Expect the 350 slots to go in favour of the 321NEO and us to be launch customer for ETOPS certs.

    Very, very interesting. I do recall him saying that the A350 would be manageable on the core tatl routes; JFK and BOS, and it will disappointing not to see the 350 in shamrock colours. But, as has been said, if it makes financial sense to cancel this order, and instead go for the well proven newer A330s combined with a sensible A321 order, we could see some reasonable expansion in the future, beyond that of SFO or Canada.


  • #46
    Locker10a
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 4,185 Mod ✭✭✭✭Locker10a


    basill wrote: »
    CEO confirmed as much in a recent business briefing to us. Expect the 350 slots to go in favour of the 321NEO and us to be launch customer for ETOPS certs.

    Aww im kind of disappointed to hear this :( Was looking forward to the A350s !! But I suppose a mix of replacement A330s and A321neo's are the best option.
    In years to come does anyone see EI expanding to South America, Africa or even east Asia? Can the A330s do this?


  • #47
    Billyum
    Registered Users Posts: 55 ✭✭Billyum


    Id guess they expand to east asia before they start flying to africa, and certainly before south america. As far as I know flights to the far east are part of Aer Lingus's long term plan, ..but id say it will be a particularly long term!!

    They had Bangkok and Hong Kong as destinations for like 5 minutes on there website once?? what was that about anyone know?


  • #48
    b757
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,370 ✭✭✭b757


    Locker10a wrote: »
    Aww im kind of disappointed to hear this :( Was looking forward to the A350s !! But I suppose a mix of replacement A330s and A321neo's are the best option.
    In years to come does anyone see EI expanding to South America, Africa or even east Asia? Can the A330s do this?

    Yeah really disappointing..

    No I can't see them expanding that far, how ever i do think they might expand their US destinations in the coming years with EY.


  • #49
    Tenger
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 9,930 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tenger


    Locker10a wrote: »
    ......In years to come does anyone see EI expanding to South America, Africa or even east Asia? Can the A330s do this?

    I doubt we would ever see EI going to South America or East Asia. South Africa and or the Mid east may happen down the line.

    To answer the query the current A330's can make South Africa. Not sure about getting to BKK of HKG though.


  • #50
    Zonda999
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,533 ✭✭✭Zonda999


    Disappointing alright, it would have been nice to see EI being one of the first to operate the A350. But, the -900 variant is pretty clearly over specc'ed for EI. Is it likely though, that EI would keep the order for the three A350's to be delivered in 2018? And just cash in the first six orders for more A330's and A321NEO's?

    As well, surely EI will need to order the A320NEO at some stage simply just to replace the 30 or so they have currently?


  • #51
    donvito99
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,818 ✭✭✭donvito99


    If they go anywhere other than North America long haul, it would surely be Abu Dhabi in order to share the risk with EY.


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