Garda Sgts facing disciplinary hearing after walkout.

JRant · 27-03-2013 10:09PM

tayto lover wrote: »

I just happen to care. I'm all for equal rights but it seems some are not.

But you don't have equal rights with your employer though. You have some rights protected under law but this idea of equality is a non-runner as far as I can see.

If you want to dictate your own pay then start your own business.

tayto lover · 27-03-2013 10:12PM

JRant wrote: »

But you don't have equal rights with your employer though. You have some rights protected under law but this idea of equality is a non-runner as far as I can see.

If you want to dictate your own pay then start your own business.

I have my own business.

So you are saying that some representatives are more equal than others then. Very Orwellian.

Big Davey · 27-03-2013 10:13PM

Should the fatties behind their desks in the Gardai get the same as the "super tough, life risking " gardai that the fools around here are blabbering about ? How many pen pushing gardai risk their lives ?

Boombastic · 27-03-2013 10:15PM

Big Davey wrote: »

Should the fatties behind their desks in the Gardai get the same as the "super tough, life risking " gardai that the fools around here are blabbering about ? How many pen pushing gardai risk their lives ?

All of them, How dare you question it. I heard from a nameless guy on the radio the islands are the most dangerous. There was a whistle stolen last week. They deserve their extra allowances :pac:

frankie_fisher · 27-03-2013 10:16PM

i dont care about shatters personal likability factor , im glad we have a minister for justice who is pretty indifferent to public opinion , its what is needed to tackle the over entitled AGS , the alternative is some bandwagon jumping populist who likes to engage in endless eulogising of the so called " frontline "

tayto lover · 27-03-2013 10:17PM

Big Davey wrote: »

Should the fatties behind their desks in the Gardai get the same as the "super tough, life risking " gardai that the fools around here are blabbering about ? How many pen pushing gardai risk their lives ?

Don't all the prisoners and criminals get the same food in jail

Hitchens · 27-03-2013 10:17PM

JUSTICE MINISTER ALAN Shatter has said today that an “unexpected number” of gardaí accessed the PULSE computer system in relation to the arrest of Clare Daly in January for suspected drink driving.

Fred Cohen · 27-03-2013 10:18PM

Boombastic wrote: »

He could always just cut their wages

Been there, done that, bought the anti stab vest.

3ndahalfof6 · 27-03-2013 10:22PM

As was said earlier, they signed up and they contributed to a core belief, now they want to side step it, munching on spit pork or roasted frog, how dare you how very dare you.

frankie_fisher · 27-03-2013 10:23PM

Hitchens wrote: »

JUSTICE MINISTER ALAN Shatter has said today that an “unexpected number” of gardaí accessed the PULSE computer system in relation to the arrest of Clare Daly in January for suspected drink driving.

that stitch up failed but mud still sticks so the guards got a small victory

tayto lover · 27-03-2013 10:25PM

frankie_fisher wrote: »

that stitch up failed but mud still sticks so the guards got a small victory

Your first 2 posts are off topic (don't know what your posts before that were like :pac:).
Could you stick to the current topic please.

scwazrh · 27-03-2013 10:26PM

If they are not happy with the wages, change jobs.I would love to join the Garda but I simply cannot live on that size of a wage so I have to do a different job.This is another case of public sector workers wanting job security , pension and a good weekly wage.You cannot have it all..

Boombastic · 27-03-2013 10:27PM

Current Topic: John Redmond was talking to himself :pac:

AGSI pulls out of Croke Park talks
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General secretary of the association John Redmond said today he did not think it would re-enter the talks. Members were being asked to “give and give”, he said.

They had attended five meetings and there was nothing being given by officials, he added............................Mr Collins also called on AGSI to re-enter the talks, saying its members “will be best served by the organisation being at the table as decisions are made that will affect their future”

JRant · 27-03-2013 10:27PM

tayto lover wrote: »

I have my own business.

So you are saying that some representatives are more equal than others then. Very Orwellian.

Fair play to you and I hope the future is bright for your business.

That's not what I'm saying at all but you know that already. There is no such thing as equality between employers and employees.

dj jarvis · 27-03-2013 10:28PM

unfortunately , the only outcome of this will be that the career of whom ever stuck their head above the wall these days will be cul-de-sacked in a heart beat.

right or wrong , the Garda chief and the minister of the day will make a point of maintaining discipline , they have to

and this caused by the AGSI, knowing they have not a leg to stand on during pay talks - fanning the fire of discontent , rabble rousing some into action , and this action could cost them their careers

because getting your career parked for disobedience is akin to a life long pay cut.

frankie_fisher · 27-03-2013 10:29PM

tayto lover wrote: »

Your first 2 posts are off topic (don't know what your posts before that were like :pac:).
Could you stick to the current topic please.

sure thing AGS shill

tayto lover · 27-03-2013 10:31PM

frankie_fisher wrote: »

sure thing AGS shill

Thank you and yes I am law abiding

frankie_fisher · 27-03-2013 10:31PM

scwazrh wrote: »

If they are not happy with the wages, change jobs.I would love to join the Garda but I simply cannot live on that size of a wage so I have to do a different job.This is another case of public sector workers wanting job security , pension and a good weekly wage.You cannot have it all..

you couldnt live on 56 k per year salary ( exlc overtime ) and an average pension of 600 per week ?

tayto lover · 27-03-2013 10:32PM

dj jarvis wrote: »

unfortunately , the only outcome of this will be that the career of whom ever stuck their head above the wall these days will be cul-de-sacked in a heart beat.

right or wrong , the Garda chief and the minister of the day will make a point of maintaining discipline , they have to

and this caused by the AGSI, knowing they have not a leg to stand on during pay talks - fanning the fire of discontent , rabble rousing some into action , and this action could cost them their careers

because getting your career parked for disobedience is akin to a life long pay cut.

No mention of the Commissioner being a Government man appointed by Shatter probably.

frankie_fisher · 27-03-2013 10:33PM

tayto lover wrote: »

Thank you and yes I am law abiding

not to mention smug

Boombastic · 27-03-2013 10:34PM

frankie_fisher wrote: »

not to mention smug

Wouldn't you be on a €600/week pension

frankie_fisher · 27-03-2013 10:35PM

see bottom of table for garda pay excluding overtime , that was in 2008 prior to the campaign of cuts which for guards would be no greater than 15% exclcuding pension levy

http://www.cso.ie/quicktables/GetQuickTables.aspx?FileName=PSA01.asp&TableName=Public+Sector+Average+Weekly+Earnings&StatisticalProduct=DB_PS

dj jarvis · 27-03-2013 10:38PM

funny , but for all the poor mouthing i hear coming from the Garda "union" , i have yet , ever come across a garda , of any rank who lives in a council house , always private estates

but i know of plenty of soldiers who do.
I think knowing when you should keep your mouth closed and take it like the rest of us should be understood by the AGSI

they are far from badly paid - sure another cut is a kick in the sack
but we are all getting a kick in the sack - welcome to the party AGSI , let me be the first to issue a welcome kick

scwazrh · 27-03-2013 10:38PM

frankie_fisher wrote: »

you couldnt live on 56 k per year salary ( exlc overtime ) and an average pension of 600 per week ?

€56k a year is approx €900 / wk nett. Very hard to have a nice lifestyle for a family on that.The pension part would be nice though.

To be fair afaik 56k a year is not the average wage for copper , its a good bit less.

tayto lover · 27-03-2013 10:39PM

Boombastic wrote: »

Wouldn't you be on a €600/week pension

Ha ha you accused me of being a nurse on the other thread.
Make up your mind instead of losing bit.

dj jarvis · 27-03-2013 10:40PM

tayto lover wrote: »

No mention of the Commissioner being a Government man appointed by Shatter probably.

but neither man wrote the 2005 garda act , it national law , it has to be upheld,
the minister would be hung out to dry if he did not enforce the law.

so even if he was politically placed , it makes no difference , they have to act , so you statement makes no sense

frankie_fisher · 27-03-2013 10:41PM

scwazrh wrote: »

€56k a year is approx €900 / wk nett. Very hard to have a nice lifestyle for a family on that.The pension part would be nice though.

To be fair afaik 56k a year is not the average wage for copper , its a good bit less.

shows the level of delusion which still exists in this country when people continue to believe that 900 per week NET is a modest income , where else would modestly skilled ( for the most part ) people like guards recieve such a wage ?

1080 was the average wage ( excluding overtime ) in 2008 as shown in that CSO report , work out the cuts since then and you have your average wage for 2013 , pretty simple

Paulzx · 27-03-2013 10:41PM

dj jarvis wrote: »

funny , but for all the poor mouthing i hear coming from the Garda "union" , i have yet , ever come across a garda , of any rank who lives in a council house , always private estates
D

So you'd have a higher opinion of them if they lived in state provided housing estates rather than paying mortgages and buying their own houses?

/logic fail

dj jarvis · 27-03-2013 10:42PM

scwazrh wrote: »

€56k a year is approx €900 / wk nett. Very hard to have a nice lifestyle for a family on that.The pension part would be nice though.

To be fair afaik 56k a year is not the average wage for copper , its a good bit less.

how much less , and how do you know can i ask?
plenty of guess work , but no real figures

tayto lover · 27-03-2013 10:42PM

dj jarvis wrote: »

funny , but for all the poor mouthing i hear coming from the Garda "union" , i have yet , ever come across a garda , of any rank who lives in a council house , always private estates

but i know of plenty of soldiers who do.
I think knowing when you should keep your mouth closed and take it like the rest of us should be understood by the AGSI

they are far from badly paid - sure another cut is a kick in the sack
but we are all getting a kick in the sack - welcome to the party AGSI , let me be the first to issue a welcome kick

Sly digs at the Garda are only highlighting the fact that you are losing the argument

Thought you would have stuck it out a bit better.

Garda Sgts facing disciplinary hearing after walkout.

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