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Retrial of Amanda Knox ordered

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  • #62
    Merkin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,230 ✭✭✭Merkin


    LuckyLloyd wrote: »
    Thanks for that, I've been wondering what basis she'd have for avoiding extradition. Fun times ahead so, as she may end up arguing in a US court that she can't be extradited because the Italian Legal system is dysfunctional and incompetent. I see a diplomatic incident in the offing.

    There's a few things here.
    • She's back in the States.
    • Bear in mind that in Italy a conviction is only a conviction when all avenues of appeal have been exhausted. That's why Berlusconi has never gone to jail. It also means she's not suddenly a convicted person again after today.
    • Italy could seek to extradite her back now for the appeal, or proceed with the appeal in her absence (which might actually work to her benefit), and only if she is convicted seek her extradition (in light of bullet point above).
    • At which point the State of Washington would probably refuse to extradite.
    • If she were to be extradited, having been convicted, she would serve her sentence in Italy.
    • Subject to bilateral transfer of sentenced persons agreements that may exist between the US and Italy.
    • And I'm sure she would also appeal that conviction to the Supreme Court.
    The Supreme Court decision is a bigger problem for the creepy boyfriend with an unhealthy interest in knives who is currently studying in Verona and can be reached by the long finger of the Carabinieri.

    Ultimately justice is not going to be done for the poor girl who was murdered and seems to have been forgotten in all of this...


  • #63
    Richard Dower
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 21,634 ✭✭✭✭Richard Dower


    she found a boyfriend very sharpish when she got home...dodgy that wan.


  • #64
    Seedy Arling
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,002 ✭✭✭Seedy Arling


    Richard Dower wrote: »
    she found a boyfriend very sharpish when she got home...dodgy that wan.
    Yes. Burn her! Burn her at the stake!!!!


  • #65
    Ruudi_Mentari
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,801 ✭✭✭Ruudi_Mentari


    black francis wrote: »

    No, she's foxy - apparently.

    No, if I remember correct she is Knoxious

    Amandus, Knoxious that is her name when in rome.. or Perugia or whatever where she does cartwheels for all the gladiators.


  • #66
    JonathanAnon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,717 ✭✭✭✭JonathanAnon


    Amanda Knox Faces Retrial Over Kercher Death
    Knox's lawyer Carlo Dalla Vedova said the 25-year-old student was upset but "willing to fight" and had not yet decided whether she would turn up for the trial in person or not.

    To quote James Gogarty.. Will she f**k..


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  • #67
    hatrickpatrick
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,798 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    flanna01 wrote: »
    The original trial was dodgy to say the least... without a doubt, she lied from the beginning, and acted 'weird' throughout the investigation.

    Her hands have blood on them - I don't care what anybody thinks. she wasn't as innocent as she portrayed herself to be.

    Realistically speaking - There isn't a snow ball in Hell's chance of her leaving the USA to accommodate another Italian trial.

    How are you justifying claiming she has blood on her hands? Do you know something the rest of us (and indeed the jury) don't?


  • #68
    Grayson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,442 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    Merkin wrote: »
    Technically it's the appeal that's being re-heard so she has to win again.

    Even if she loses, I can't see the US agreeing to extradite a citizen back to face 26 years in the big house abroad.

    It should happen but American hypocrisy will win again.

    The americans are already refusing to extradite two american pilots over some cable car deaths. They won't allow anyone to go abroad to face trial.

    And for those that are going on about corruption, remember Berlesconi was found guilty. The italian courts don't take **** from the politicians and they have been great going after the mafia.

    Regarding her case, I'm not sure. There's more than enough evidence for her to be a solid suspect and unfortunately, whether she's declared innocent or guilty I'll still harbor doubts about the verdict.


  • #69
    Grayson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,442 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    LuckyLloyd wrote: »
    Rubbish on the streets in Naples; incredibly chauvinistic culture; unhealthily image obsessed; societal aversion to technical progress; significant inequality; underlying racial attitudes and social exclusion; lack of political freedom; high levels of violence and organised crime. Truly dreadful country as they go tbh.

    Have you lived in Ireland recently? It's exactly like that but with worse weather.


  • #70
    Ruudi_Mentari
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,801 ✭✭✭Ruudi_Mentari


    only person convicted thus far is a Ruudi :/


  • #71
    starlings
    Closed Accounts Posts: 683 ✭✭✭starlings


    Ruudi_Mentari wrote: »
    only person convicted thus far is a Ruudi :/

    Stop your messing around
    Better think of your future
    Time you straighten right out
    Creating problems in town

    ah ha yeah Ruudi!


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  • #72
    Defiler Of The Coffin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,117 ✭✭✭Defiler Of The Coffin


    This has gone beyond farcical at this stage. The trial was nothing but a sham from start to finish. The prosecution's case was a hysterical fantasy with no credible evidence to back it up. The way Knox was painted as a she-devil in the media was a disgrace. They already have the killer in the jail, why are they still trying to further ruin the lives of two innocent people? The prosecutor comes across to me as a little unhinged. Where they got this notion of a sex-game game gone wrong I don't know, but it's probably one of the most laughable theories I've ever seen presented in a court room.

    The Americans would be derelict in their duties to their citizens if they agreed to an extradition.


  • #73
    shoos
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 241 ✭✭shoos


    It's been years now since I read up on the case so I can't really remember my reasons for thinking it but always thought she was guilty. At the least she knew more than she was letting on.

    Didn't she try to set someone up, the Mumumba guy? And didn't she change her story to the police a few times, and had her boyfriend lie for her?

    Very good possibly I'm mixing this up with the numerous Law and Orders I've watched over the years but I definitely had the impression she was guilty/lying to cover her ass.


  • #74
    Madalyn Teeny Newsprint
    Posts: 6,645 ✭✭✭ Madalyn Teeny Newsprint


    I love how some posters 'just know' she's guilty. You don't know anything. I'd love to see how you'd cope with being thrown into prison for something people 'thought' you did.


  • #75
    Boombastic
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,496 ✭✭✭Boombastic


    Raffaele is in Italy he'll get done. I think they're both innocent


  • #76
    Grayson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,442 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    Madalyn Teeny Newsprint wrote: »
    I love how some posters 'just know' she's guilty. You don't know anything. I'd love to see how you'd cope with being thrown into prison for something people 'thought' you did.

    You know she's innocent?


  • #77
    Defiler Of The Coffin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,117 ✭✭✭Defiler Of The Coffin


    Grayson wrote: »
    You know she's innocent?

    Until proven otherwise, yes


  • #78
    starlings
    Closed Accounts Posts: 683 ✭✭✭starlings


    Defiler Of The Coffin wrote: »
    Until proven otherwise, yes

    Technically, that's not how the Italian system works. There's been 1. the trial that convicted her, 2. an appeal that overturned the conviction pending final judgement from 3. the Supreme Court, which today decided to overturn the appeal. So I think she is now considered guilty and step 2 will be repeated to examine some findings that did not satisfy the Supreme Court.

    * throws hands in air mannaggia!


  • #79
    Dontfadeaway
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 922 ✭✭✭Dontfadeaway


    Defiler Of The Coffin wrote: »
    This has gone beyond farcical at this stage. The trial was nothing but a sham from start to finish. The prosecution's case was a hysterical fantasy with no credible evidence to back it up. The way Knox was painted as a she-devil in the media was a disgrace. They already have the killer in the jail, why are they still trying to further ruin the lives of two innocent people? The prosecutor comes across to me as a little unhinged. Where they got this notion of a sex-game game gone wrong I don't know, but it's probably one of the most laughable theories I've ever seen presented in a court room.

    The Americans would be derelict in their duties to their citizens if they agreed to an extradition.

    They think more than 1 person did it, so why just let the case go if they have just 1 person?


  • #80
    Grayson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,442 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    Defiler Of The Coffin wrote: »
    Until proven otherwise, yes

    That's a legal technicality.

    I'm asking if you think she did it or not.

    If It's just legality, as starlings said she was found guilty, then appealed. The appeal went through in her favor. But the appeal has been overturned. So I really haven't got a fecking clue if she's guilty or innocent according to italian law.


  • #81
    Defiler Of The Coffin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,117 ✭✭✭Defiler Of The Coffin


    starlings wrote: »
    Technically, that's not how the Italian system works. There's been 1. the trial that convicted her, 2. an appeal that overturned the conviction pending final judgement from 3. the Supreme Court, which today decided to overturn the appeal. So I think she is now considered guilty and step 2 will be repeated to examine some findings that did not satisfy the Supreme Court.

    * throws hands in air mannaggia!

    Why the new trial then? If she is now considered guilty why not just put an international arrest warrant out for her? It's not as simple as you making out and I don't believe that a satisfactory case has been made against her.
    Dontfadeaway wrote: »
    They think more than 1 person did it, so why just let the case go if they have just 1 person?

    Exactly, why are they still pushing it? They didn't find the DNA of Sollecito or Knox at the murder scene and all they really had was a contaminated knife that wasn't even proven to be the murder weapon and a bra that wasn't even bagged until well after the crime scene was shown to have been contaminated.

    Plus the fact that a credible motive has never been given for the prosecution's case. Even if Knox and Sollecito did have a hand in Kircher's murder the prosecution have botched the case so badly that there's no way they could ever get a safe conviction. It should be left to rest and Kircher's family finally given some closure instead of being made to take part in this circus.


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  • #82
    Defiler Of The Coffin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,117 ✭✭✭Defiler Of The Coffin


    Grayson wrote: »
    That's a legal technicality.

    I'm asking if you think she did it or not.

    If It's just legality, as starlings said she was found guilty, then appealed. The appeal went through in her favor. But the appeal has been overturned. So I really haven't got a fecking clue if she's guilty or innocent according to italian law.

    I honestly don't believe she did it. The prosecution's hypothesis is so incredible that I would really need to strong evidence before I would begin to accept it. I haven't seen anything even resembling that so far.


  • #83
    starlings
    Closed Accounts Posts: 683 ✭✭✭starlings


    Defiler Of The Coffin wrote: »
    Why the new trial then? If she is now considered guilty why not just put an international arrest warrant out for her? It's not as simple as you making out and I don't believe that a satisfactory case has been made against her.

    I certainly wasn't making out that it's simple - quite the opposite, in fact!


  • #84
    Defiler Of The Coffin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,117 ✭✭✭Defiler Of The Coffin


    starlings wrote: »
    I certainly wasn't making out that it's simple - quite the opposite, in fact!

    Apologies in that case. Agreed it's not something you'll figure out on the internet at 10 o'clock at night! Confusion is the order of the day here, it's hard to know what's going on in that system.


  • #85
    Henlars67
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,272 ✭✭✭Henlars67


    I followed the original trial and subsequent appeal quite closely.

    It was very obvious that the prosecution completely fabricated the case against her.


  • #86
    starlings
    Closed Accounts Posts: 683 ✭✭✭starlings


    Defiler Of The Coffin wrote: »
    Apologies in that case. Agreed it's not something you'll figure out on the internet at 10 o'clock at night! Confusion is the order of the day here, it's hard to know what's going on in that system.

    I think the confusion has been made worse by shoddy reporting in the English-speaking media, especially in the U.S. You probably won't find unbiased information on the internet at any hour either.

    These high-profile cases always disturb me - like OJ Simpson, Louise Woodward and now Knox - with a personality and patriotism/cultural identification it becomes all about "our guy/girl" and everyone seems to ignore the poor dead body. :(


  • #87
    alchemist33
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,969 ✭✭✭✭alchemist33


    I think I'll take as little interest in this as any other Italian trial of an American charged with killing an English person.


    Or to put it another way, is a supposedly attractive defendant the only reason this case has garnered more attention than other murders in Italy? Because if it is, it says a lot about modern society.


  • #88
    Defiler Of The Coffin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,117 ✭✭✭Defiler Of The Coffin


    alchemist33 wrote: »
    Or to put it another way, is a supposedly attractive defendant the only reason this case has garnered more attention than other murders in Italy? Because if it is, it says a lot about modern society.

    I'd say there's more to it than that. There was the brutality of the murder, the fact that it occurred in a relatively safe place, the bizarre nature of some of the revelations (sex games, the painting of Knox as a femme fatale/she-devil, Knox's behaviour during interrogation) and of course the youth and nationalities of those concerned. Plus the fact that the case has dragged on so long and taken so many twists and turns. I'm sure there's plenty of other good looking folk up in front of the courts but this was always going to capture the morbid curiosity of people!


  • #89
    Wattle
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,075 ✭✭✭Wattle


    I think Rudi Guede was well capable of doing the murder on his own. He was the only one of the three to flee the country in the aftermath. As for the sex game gone wrong theory? Knox and Sollecito barely even knew Rudi Guede. Why would they suddenly decide to go on a murderous sexual rampage with him? Another little factor that doesn't add up to me is that Knox and Sollecito were smoking cannabis that night. Cannabis is not an aggressive drug. Quite the opposite.


  • #90
    fran oconnor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 662 ✭✭✭fran oconnor


    Why did Knox blame the bar owner?. Did she get him confused with Guede?. I honestly think she had something to do with what happened.


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  • #91
    Wattle
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,075 ✭✭✭Wattle


    fran oconnor wrote: »
    Why did Knox blame the bar owner?. Did she get him confused with Guede?. I honestly think she had something to do with what happened.

    Far as I know she'd been questioned for 18 hours straight without a lawyer present. She alleged that the police were threatening and initimidating. I admit it doesn't look good that she blamed him but I think it needs to be put into context.


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