Retrial of Amanda Knox ordered

the groutch · 26-03-2013 11:38AM

VinLieger wrote: »

Really cant see the Americans sending her back, maybe they would if it was for the first trial but no way after the garbage thats gone on with this

the European Court of Human Rights wouldnt allow a retrial even if that did happen.

delthedriver · 26-03-2013 11:43AM

Italy is such a dysfunctional country. They want to retry a young girl for a murder for which she was acquitted on appeal.

They really live in cuckoo land. Probably the most corrupt country in Europe

They can barely rule their country, look at Berlusconis antics for years.

And of course Disney Land aka The Vatican.

The US are correct in not extraditing Amanda Knox.

I don't believe for one moment she would get a fair trial:)

donegal_road · 26-03-2013 11:43AM

she should head to Sri Lanka, Brazil or Morocco. They have no extradition treaty with Italy

admiralofthefleet · 26-03-2013 11:48AM

will she do playboy or hustler before she goes back to porridge

Footoo · 26-03-2013 11:53AM

Sergeant wrote: »

That was my favourite murder trial ever.

Sequels rarely live to to the standard of the original. Don't get your hopes up.

hyperborean · 26-03-2013 11:54AM

This is Italy we are talking about.... The Mafia, Berlusconi, The Vatican, Fiat.....

Why anyone is suprised is the only thing that suprises me.

ejmaztec · 26-03-2013 12:00PM

delthedriver wrote: »

Italy is such a dysfunctional country. They want to retry a young girl for a murder for which she was acquitted on appeal.

They really live in cuckoo land. Probably the most corrupt country in Europe

They can barely rule their country, look at Berlusconis antics for years.

And of course Disney Land aka The Vatican.

The US are correct in not extraditing Amanda Knox.

I don't believe for one moment she would get a fair trial:)

I think that after a long time in Italy's shadow, the Greeks managed to win the Eurovision Corruption Contest, and they didn't even have to fiddle the votes.

Da Shins Kelly · 26-03-2013 12:06PM

I have my doubts about her innocence, have always felt as though she knew more than she was letting on, but it's the Italian justice system who f*cked it all up. It's their fault entirely for making a mess of the whole thing from day one. Really feel sorry for Meredith Kercher's family in all of this. They've been put through hell with all this to-ing and fro-ing and uncertainty on top of all the publicity surrounding the case. For some reason, I feel like they'll never have any closure on this, thanks mainly to the farcical Italian judicial system.

Merkin · 26-03-2013 12:07PM

Technically it's the appeal that's being re-heard so she has to win again.

Even if she loses, I can't see the US agreeing to extradite a citizen back to face 26 years in the big house abroad.

It should happen but American hypocrisy will win again.

Merkin · 26-03-2013 12:09PM

delthedriver wrote: »

Italy is such a dysfunctional country.

Yes but I do think they put the FUN in dysfunctional. Amazing food, amazing weather, an ancient culture, amazing fashion, all very good looking and as corrupt as can be. I love Italy.

Caveman1 · 26-03-2013 12:18PM

Am I the only one who thinks she's ugly ? don't get the infatuation with her at all.

VinLieger · 26-03-2013 12:25PM

Caveman1 wrote: »

Am I the only one who thinks she's ugly ? don't get the infatuation with her at all.

Well not ugly, but i agree in that i dont understand the infatuation

Don't Chute! · 26-03-2013 12:26PM

Caveman1 wrote: »

Am I the only one who thinks she's ugly ? don't get the infatuation with her at all.

Yes you are.

LuckyLloyd · 26-03-2013 12:30PM

Merkin wrote: »

Yes but I do think they put the FUN in dysfunctional. Amazing food, amazing weather, an ancient culture, amazing fashion, all very good looking and as corrupt as can be. I love Italy.

Rubbish on the streets in Naples; incredibly chauvinistic culture; unhealthily image obsessed; societal aversion to technical progress; significant inequality; underlying racial attitudes and social exclusion; lack of political freedom; high levels of violence and organised crime. Truly dreadful country as they go tbh.

StewartGriffin · 26-03-2013 12:34PM

delthedriver wrote: »

Sure the Italians are incapable of closing their own shoe laces, that is why they have a preference for slip on shoes.

As regards conducting a murder trial, it was nothing short of a circus

Odd?

delthedriver wrote: »

Italy is such a dysfunctional country.
They really live in cuckoo land. Probably the most corrupt country in Europe

They can barely rule their country, look at Berlusconis antics for years.

Well, we live in a country that can boast CJH and Bertie as their most popular elected leaders, a country that generously forces even it's poorest citizens to bail out billionaire bondholders, convicts wealthy sex attackers and lets them off if they pay a small fee to the victim, and looks set to re-elect FF again at the next election.
So I'm not going to throw stones.

AnonoBoy · 26-03-2013 12:37PM

To: Amanda@FoxyKnoxy.com

Re: PRIZE!!!

Dear Amanda!

CONGRATULATIONS!!! You have won a HOLIDAY to Italy . A jet awaits you at your local airport. It will fly you all expenses paid to the destination of your choice (as long as it's Italy!)

Regards,

Generous European Court System.

delthedriver · 26-03-2013 12:47PM

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Rubbish on the streets in Naples; incredibly chauvinistic culture; unhealthily image obsessed; societal aversion to technical progress; significant inequality; underlying racial attitudes and social exclusion; lack of political freedom; high levels of violence and organised crime. Truly dreadful country as they go tbh.

Fast cars and fast women, both unreliable:D

LuckyLloyd · 26-03-2013 12:49PM

Caveman1 wrote: »

Am I the only one who thinks she's ugly ? don't get the infatuation with her at all.

She's sexy, and the paper talk of her history and general behaviour would be where any 'infatuation' would lie. Classicly beautiful doesn't come into it.

starlings · 26-03-2013 01:41PM

Caveman1 wrote: »

Does double jeopardy not apply anymore ? or am I watching too much Law & Order

:pac:

way too much L&A!

Even if it was on the books in Italy, this wouldn't be a case of DJ because the Italian system has automatic appeal to a higher court and then the Supreme Court - this case has just fallen at the final hurdle and has to go back to the drawing board. It's a fairly unwieldy way of doing things and has clashed sensationally with the blunderbuss of American PR and a good-looking crazy girl.

frank reynolds · 26-03-2013 02:15PM

Caveman1 wrote: »

Does double jeopardy not apply anymore ? or am I watching too much Law & Order

she would have had to have been sentenced (wrongly), and carry out that sentence for double jeopardy to apply. and i dont think it's that straight and narrow either

anncoates · 26-03-2013 02:23PM

Caveman1 wrote: »

Does double jeopardy not apply anymore ? or am I watching too much Law & Order

You can never watch too much Law and Order.

seamus · 26-03-2013 02:38PM

Double jeopardy only really applies when the original trial is deemed to have been safe.

Once a ruling has been overturned, that effectively declares the original trial to be illegitimate, so double jeopardy doesn't apply.

In other circumstances, she would probably be extradited without issue, but there would be plenty of scope for her to challenge her extradition on multiple grounds. The US are obsessed with the notion of "fair trial", so she would certainly have plenty of grounds for fighting extradition on the basis that she doesn't believe she'll get a fair trial.

VinLieger · 26-03-2013 02:53PM

Can we all at least agree that the movie Double Jeopardy is pretty good?

tigger123 · 26-03-2013 02:58PM

VinLieger wrote: »

Can we all at least agree that the movie Double Jeopardy is pretty good?

Terrible, terrible, terrible film.

TwoBirds · 26-03-2013 03:02PM

Could never make up my mind about whether she was guilty or not, but regardless, how horrid to allow her to return to a 'normal life' after all that palaver and a few years in the chokey, only for her to (possibly) get done for it after all.

Rented Mule · 26-03-2013 03:20PM

Marsellus Wallace wrote: »

She is guilty as hell but America will not send her back to Italy, they do not extradite there nationals for trial for crimes committed abroad, but they expect everyone else to send people to them to stand trial.

Could you give a few examples ?

LuckyLloyd · 26-03-2013 03:21PM

seamus wrote: »

In other circumstances, she would probably be extradited without issue, but there would be plenty of scope for her to challenge her extradition on multiple grounds. The US are obsessed with the notion of "fair trial", so she would certainly have plenty of grounds for fighting extradition on the basis that she doesn't believe she'll get a fair trial.

Thanks for that, I've been wondering what basis she'd have for avoiding extradition. Fun times ahead so, as she may end up arguing in a US court that she can't be extradited because the Italian Legal system is dysfunctional and incompetent. I see a diplomatic incident in the offing.

Fromthetrees · 26-03-2013 03:24PM

tigger123 wrote: »

Terrible, terrible, terrible film.

...but there's boobs in it.

seamus · 26-03-2013 03:24PM

Rented Mule wrote: »

Could you give a few examples ?

He might be confusing it with extradition for offences carried out in foreign jurisdictions.

The US are very quick to request and fight for the extradition of foreign individuals who've committed offences in foreign jurisdictions such as Julian Assange but will virtually never extradite an American citizen under the same circumstances.

furiousox · 26-03-2013 05:07PM

"Death in Perugia" is well worth a read if you're interested in the case.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Death-Perugia-Definitive-acquittal-Sollecito/dp/034099309X

Retrial of Amanda Knox ordered

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