The arrogance of old age

Three Seasons · 18-03-2013 12:02AM

Chucken wrote: »

Oh I'm not making out we're better than this generation. I was trying point out thats its all happened before...no doubt it'll happen again.
One thing though, I certainly never held out for a "certain" type of job, I took what was there. I had 2 children to raise and if I got a few hours here and there, it didnt matter what it was.
All the hours added up and I made it through without signing on.
My oddest job was chimney cleaning, I bought some brushes and knocked on doors!
Big deal you might say? No big deal only I'm a woman

Can you clarify what "this generation" is?

periodictable · 18-03-2013 12:03AM

I don't object to her age.
Rather I have a problem with nepotism. We need a law that prohibits any family member from running for a relative's seat. They should instead have to seek election in another constituency.

For Forks Sake · 18-03-2013 12:03AM

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

I wish this country had more Vincent Brownes

We have one. That's quite enough

As you seek more though, there are at least 10 more: http://bit.ly/15eZQo8

FaganJr · 18-03-2013 12:04AM

Chucken wrote: »

Oh I'm not making out we're better than this generation. I was trying point out thats its all happened before...no doubt it'll happen again.
One thing though, I certainly never held out for a "certain" type of job, I took what was there. I had 2 children to raise and if I got a few hours here and there, it didnt matter what it was.
All the hours added up and I made it through without signing on.
My oddest job was chimney cleaning, I bought some brushes and knocked on doors!
Big deal you might say? No big deal only I'm a woman

Fair Play, wasn't trying to put your efforts down, just saying we moaned just as much as anybody, just nobody could hear / read us! Thank god, imagine looking back on boards / facebook from the 80's!
Thank God for small mercy's!

We are already repeating our mistakes but this time we can see them happening in real time, we are going to hand the deeds of this country back to FF. I honestly despair for the youth when this happens again!

Chucken · 18-03-2013 12:04AM

Three Seasons wrote: »

Can you clarify what "this generation" is?

Well I suppose considering the op is 26...anywhere between 18 and 30.

looksee · 18-03-2013 12:16AM

the emperors innuendo wrote: »

I was once a great believer that one should respect his elders but I no longer believe in this considering how my parents behaved during the economic boom, remortgaging our family home and now we are faced with the prospect of losing it. I think its time for a social revolution in this country where the youth should mobilize and the old should step aside so that we can restore it to its former glory. Because it has been at times of great crisis where the youth have shown true leadership!

Just interested in this family home,how many generations has it been passed down through? Or did they work to pay for it? In which case, in remortgaging (did they go on a cruise? Buy a merc? ) it they were remortgaging their own property and managing their own finances, which are none of your business.

WhatNowForUs? · 18-03-2013 12:19AM

LETHAL LADY wrote: »

So their poor financial decisions are the tip of the iceberg?

Yep. Something alot deeper there.

Galwayguy35 · 18-03-2013 01:42AM

the emperors innuendo wrote: »

I was watching Vincent brown the other night and among the panel he had on was a young female candidate for some by election. I think she said she was 27 or so. Although I am a fan of Brown and the controversy he generates, being the presenter that he is he had to ask that stupid question posed to all young aspiring politicians which is; 'do you not think your a bit young?'. I cringed when asked this question. what has age to do with political competence?
The track record of the past government would suggest that old age corresponds with political incompetence. Off the top of my head I would think that the medium age of those in that government was 50. Going by Browne's logic and probably the logic of many of the elders in this country, would suggest the older a party is the more politically competent it is.

But this is obvious bullcr.ap as history has thought us that with age in this country comes political incompetence since it is now the generation of youth, my generation, who has to clean up after the shower of crooks and gangsters who took a world class economy and drove it into the ground.
Perhaps its my generation who are better off running this country since it is us who have paid the ultimate price by the incompetence of our elders since we are the ones who are first hit by social welfare cuts and forced to immigrate because of the lack of opportunities our 'elders' deprived us of.

I was once a great believer that one should respect his elders but I no longer believe in this considering how my parents behaved during the economic boom, remortgaging our family home and now we are faced with the prospect of losing it. I think its time for a social revolution in this country where the youth should mobilize and the old should step aside so that we can restore it to its former glory. Because it has been at times of great crisis where the youth have shown true leadership!

It's your parents home seeing as they paid for it not you, sure you grew up there but you have no claim on it as it wasn't you paying the mortgage.

To be honest you sound like a typical celtic tiger cub who had it good during the boom years and things are different now.

It was your parents generation that worked their way out of the recession of the 1980s which is the one I grew up in.

Your generation has achieved nothing yet so until you do talk is cheap.

kupus · 18-03-2013 02:06AM

periodictable wrote: »

I don't object to her age.
Rather I have a problem with nepotism. We need a law that prohibits any family member from running for a relative's seat. They should instead have to seek election in another constituency.

I do have a problem with her age. I do have a problem with her job experience.

If being fresh out of college wasnt bad enough, she goes ands takes a job for her dad. What in 7 hells does she know of anything even remotely related to the real world.

PhlegmyMoses · 18-03-2013 02:45AM

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

It was your parents generation that worked their way out of the recession of the 1980s which is the one I grew up in.

Your generation has achieved nothing yet so until you do talk is cheap.

What a load of nonsense. That generation did the exact same as this one, just replace Britain with Australia and the US with Canada.

CollardGreens · 18-03-2013 03:54AM

i would rather watch them suffer the effects of their own greed.

You would rather watch them suffer?

Then should they have watched YOU suffer when you needed:

To have your messy bottom wiped when you were a baby and they just should have left you in your own poop?

To have you go to school with no shoes (no, they are not free)

Needed food, cooked and birthday cakes on your birthdays?

A bed to sleep in

Supplies for school

Of course the list could go on and probably still does.

Someone should paddle your messy behind until it knocks some reality into your ungrateful self centered spoiled rotten mind!

It's NOT all about you or your generation, we are have crosses to bare ~ I'm sure your parents gave up a lot for you, and this attitude is what you give them back? That YOU WANT THEM TO SUFFER????

You are not worthy, shame on you! :mad:

Sponge Bob · 18-03-2013 04:00AM

the emperors innuendo wrote: »

I was watching Vincent brown the other night and among the panel he had on was a young female candidate for some by election. I think she said she was 27 or so. Although I am a fan of Brown and the controversy he generates, being the presenter that he is he had to ask that stupid question posed to all young aspiring politicians which is; 'do you not think your a bit young?'. I cringed when asked this question. what has age to do with political competence?

Maybe you missed the obvious question which runs like:

"Why was nobody allowed to challenge you at the party selection convention for your late fathers seat in the Dáil"

18-03-2013 04:11AM

CollardGreens wrote: »

You would rather watch them suffer?

Then should they have watched YOU suffer when you needed:

To have your messy bottom wiped when you were a baby and they just should have left you in your own poop?

To have you go to school with no shoes (no, they are not free)

Needed food, cooked and birthday cakes on your birthdays?

A bed to sleep in

Supplies for school

Of course the list could go on and probably still does.

Someone should paddle your messy behind until it knocks some reality into your ungrateful self centered spoiled rotten mind!

It's NOT all about you or your generation, we are have crosses to bare ~ I'm sure your parents gave up a lot for you, and this attitude is what you give them back? That YOU WANT THEM TO SUFFER????

You are not worthy, shame on you! :mad:

Just in case you're not joking (and I really, really hope you are):

This is what parents do. And that is the bare minimum. No parent should ever expect thanks for taking care of the child THEY decided to bring into the world. If there are people out there who think their children should grovel to them because they bought school shoes or wiped their bottom, they're not fit to be parents.

CollardGreens · 18-03-2013 04:26AM

This is what parents do. And that is the bare minimum. No parent should ever expect thanks for taking care of the child THEY decided to bring into the world. If there are people out there who think their children should grovel to them because they bought school shoes or wiped their bottom, they're not fit to be parents.

NO, this is not what all parents do, what I typed is what GOOD parents do, parents that LOVE their children. And children should be grateful for even the bare minimum and respect/thank their parents. Children are a gift from God, and if that child gets born to good parents, then it is also the child that is gifted too.

I just read an article about a mother that had her 5yo shot for the insurance money!

Some mothers sell their children, read another story yesterday about parents that kept their small child in a cage.

A lot of young adults today are of the entitlement generation and they EXPECT just because they were birthed into this world that the world and their parents OWE them......this is a fantasy, it doesn't work that way anymore than it worked that way with all the other generations.

Life is not easy no matter what your age is, people do the best they can and don't need to be given any s**t because they can't live up to impossible expectations.

Galwayguy35 · 18-03-2013 07:09AM

PhlegmyMoses wrote: »

What a load of nonsense. That generation did the exact same as this one, just replace Britain with Australia and the US with Canada.

Where did I say people didn't leave in the 1980s for work?

The point I was making was that that generation had it just as tough and they worked their way out of it.

jca · 18-03-2013 08:01AM

At least the people who emigrated in the '80's sent money home to help good parents improve the family situation back home. The whining brats that are drinking/drugging in oz are only there for a 2 year holiday followed by the crying phone call from the airport looking for a lift home to the free digs......Oh stop by the off licence for a crate of bud there Da I'll pay you back when I get my dole restarted....... Grow up sunshine!!!
I'm going to bed now, after being up all night working bringing arrested adolesents like the op home........... to Mammy and Daddy's house.... That they are paying for.......

Arpa · 18-03-2013 08:07AM

the emperors innuendo wrote: »

first hit by social welfare cuts and forced to immigrate because of the lack of opportunities our 'elders' deprived us of.

No you can't run the country, you can't differentiate between emigrate and immigrate.

Arpa · 18-03-2013 08:14AM

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

It's your parents home seeing as they paid for it not you, sure you grew up there but you have no claim on it as it wasn't you paying the mortgage.

To be honest you sound like a typical celtic tiger cub who had it good during the boom years and things are different now.

It was your parents generation that worked their way out of the recession of the 1980s which is the one I grew up in.

Your generation has achieved nothing yet so until you do talk is cheap.

Entitled to something? What has your generation achieved, and what part did you play in it? You did nothing...stop trying to feel important by claiming you were of the generation that ended a recession. You had no control over the sway of the economy...that was determined by fiscal policy over which you had no control. Like it or not you're just another pawn spending your pay cheque in Lidl every week.

Ray Palmer · 18-03-2013 10:35AM

the emperors innuendo wrote: »

i would rather watch them suffer the effects of their own greed.

You know when most parents to try to secure their future their children are included. If things had worked out they would most likely have been ready with money to help you out for a deposit on a home etc...

You claim to have been independently living since 17. You could have well been but all the things you had at the starting point were from your parents. Unusual to have parents cut off their children at this point but if you say they never gave you anything are you being truthful?

18-03-2013 10:42AM

I think age is pretty important for public office from the simple mind process a lot of twenty-thirty year olds have when they look back a year or two and think "Jesus, what was I at?"

I'm 25 and fairly well informed but it'll be a while yet until I'm really my own man. I'm still too impressionable to consider myself even close to being ready to be a public representative.

18-03-2013 12:02PM

CollardGreens wrote: »

NO, this is not what all parents do, what I typed is what GOOD parents do, parents that LOVE their children. And children should be grateful for even the bare minimum and respect/thank their parents. Children are a gift from God, and if that child gets born to good parents, then it is also the child that is gifted too.

I just read an article about a mother that had her 5yo shot for the insurance money!

Some mothers sell their children, read another story yesterday about parents that kept their small child in a cage.

A lot of young adults today are of the entitlement generation and they EXPECT just because they were birthed into this world that the world and their parents OWE them......this is a fantasy, it doesn't work that way anymore than it worked that way with all the other generations.

Life is not easy no matter what your age is, people do the best they can and don't need to be given any s**t because they can't live up to impossible expectations.

That is what all parents should do. Yes, some parents are terrible and harm their children, but that doesn't make normal parents saints. I cannot stand the parent martyr complex. You DO owe your children something. If I have children, the very least I can do is change their nappies and feed them decent food, for God's sake. I would NEVER expect to be thanked for that and neither should anyone else. Children don't ask to be born. Don't have them if you're constantly going to guilt them about how much you gave up for them. It's a horrid, horrid trait.

18-03-2013 12:07PM

"You should be thankful every day I don't have you shot or put in a cage" is not exactly good parenting
Christ, don't have kids if you're going to be emotionally cruel to them

Weathering · 18-03-2013 12:18PM

A lovely heart warming thread. Feel happy about the world now

corktina · 18-03-2013 12:22PM

the emperors innuendo wrote: »

I'm 26, my parents are 59 and 55.

ah yes those people who have given you such a good start in life should be amongst the first to move over for you, lest you should have to "immigrate"

dunphy3 · 18-03-2013 12:22PM

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

I wish this country had more Vincent Brownes

yes.

PhlegmyMoses · 18-03-2013 12:46PM

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Where did I say people didn't leave in the 1980s for work?

The point I was making was that that generation had it just as tough and they worked their way out of it.

And this one is doing the exact same things that the 80s generation did. There will be no difference between this generation and the 80s one. I am part of this generation and have only been out of work for the first 3 months after leaving college in 2009 and have been promoted a couple of times since then to a healthy pay grade. I am not a special case, there are many more like me and then others who have left for pastures anew - the same as in the 80s.

Galwayguy35 · 18-03-2013 06:18PM

Arpa wrote: »

Entitled to something? What has your generation achieved, and what part did you play in it? You did nothing...stop trying to feel important by claiming you were of the generation that ended a recession. You had no control over the sway of the economy...that was determined by fiscal policy over which you had no control. Like it or not you're just another pawn spending your pay cheque in Lidl every week.

Can you read?

I never said my generation, I was talking about the people who were adults during the 1980s.

WoollyRedHat · 18-03-2013 07:37PM

I don't give a damn 'bout my bad reputation
You're living in the past
It's a new generation
An' I only feel good
When I got no pain
An' that's how I'm gonna stay
An' I don't give a damn
'Bout my bad reputation

the emperors innuendo · 18-03-2013 07:48PM

Ray Palmer wrote: »

You claim to have been independently living since 17. You could have well been but all the things you had at the starting point were from your parents. Unusual to have parents cut off their children at this point but if you say they never gave you anything are you being truthful?

I would like to think so.

JuliusCaesar · 18-03-2013 09:16PM

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

I wish this country had more Vincent Brownes

What will we do when he retires? There's absolutely nobody who can step into his shoes.

The arrogance of old age

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