The arrogance of old age

the emperors innuendo

I was watching Vincent brown the other night and among the panel he had on was a young female candidate for some by election. I think she said she was 27 or so. Although I am a fan of Brown and the controversy he generates, being the presenter that he is he had to ask that stupid question posed to all young aspiring politicians which is; 'do you not think your a bit young?'. I cringed when asked this question. what has age to do with political competence?
The track record of the past government would suggest that old age corresponds with political incompetence. Off the top of my head I would think that the medium age of those in that government was 50. Going by Browne's logic and probably the logic of many of the elders in this country, would suggest the older a party is the more politically competent it is.

But this is obvious bullcr.ap as history has thought us that with age in this country comes political incompetence since it is now the generation of youth, my generation, who has to clean up after the shower of crooks and gangsters who took a world class economy and drove it into the ground.
Perhaps its my generation who are better off running this country since it is us who have paid the ultimate price by the incompetence of our elders since we are the ones who are first hit by social welfare cuts and forced to immigrate because of the lack of opportunities our 'elders' deprived us of.

I was once a great believer that one should respect his elders but I no longer believe in this considering how my parents behaved during the economic boom, remortgaging our family home and now we are faced with the prospect of losing it. I think its time for a social revolution in this country where the youth should mobilize and the old should step aside so that we can restore it to its former glory. Because it has been at times of great crisis where the youth have shown true leadership!

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

Because it has been at times of great crisis where the youth have shown true leadership!

by pissing off to england/america?

Pushtrak

the emperors innuendo wrote: »

Although I am a fan of Brown and the controversy he generates, being the presenter that he is he had to ask that stupid question posed to all young aspiring politicians which is; 'do you not think your a bit young?'. I cringed when asked this question. what has age to do with political competence?

I don't care about what age someone is, like you, I would care about competence. You should know, though, most people don't think like that, and the purpose of these talks is to ask people the questions that the public would like to ask. For the benefit of the (I would presume) majority, that question would need to be asked and answered. Honestly, a hard hitting and being able for it is to the interviewees credit, as it would stand by them a lot more than a "Shur, aren't you great?" interview.

CollardGreens

since we are the ones who are first hit by social welfare cuts

ah yes, the "entitlement" generation :rolleyes:

LETHAL LADY

How old are your parents since you are still describing yourself as a youth?

the emperors innuendo

LETHAL LADY wrote: »

How old are your parents since you are still describing yourself as a youth?

I'm 26, my parents are 59 and 55.

Chucken

the emperors innuendo wrote: »

But this is obvious bullcr.ap as history has thought us that with age in this country comes political incompetence since it is now the generation of youth, my generation, who has to clean up after the shower of crooks and gangsters who took a world class economy and drove it into the ground.

You dont realise that the youth of the 80s faced the same thing. The difference was that we didnt whinge about it, we got on with it. Granted, people left the country in droves, but those of who stayed (a lot of people) made the best of it.

I'd nearly bet that its the ones that returned when things got better, are the ones who ran amok with loans they couldnt pay back.
The rest of us have long memories.

SEPT 23 1989

I wish this country had more Vincent Brownes

the emperors innuendo

I dont understand what age has to do it with it. Some past political figures were very young at the time of their deaths or coming to power. take for instance Gaddafi, 27 when he seized power. Michael Collins was 31 when he died and he left behind him a distinguished career in politics.

LETHAL LADY

the emperors innuendo wrote: »

I'm 26, my parents are 59 and 55.

I will take it that you are living at home, hence the resentment to their mistakes.

the emperors innuendo

LETHAL LADY wrote: »

I will take it that you are living at home, hence the resentment to their mistakes.

im not actually, i've been living independently since I was 17.

LETHAL LADY

the emperors innuendo wrote: »

im not actually, i've been living independently since I was 17.

Well you said "we" are now facing the prospect of losing our family home, so forgive the confusion on my part.

the emperors innuendo

LETHAL LADY wrote: »

Well you said "we" are now facing the prospect of losing our family home, so forgive the confusion on my part.

i would still consider it home since i was born and raised there

orestes

Thread: Only the youth can restore the nation to it's former glory!

Location: West Britain.

C'mon, it's Paddy's day for crying out loud, half the country is drunk out of their minds on booze and misplaced national pride, and this is the best you can do?

ejmaztec

LETHAL LADY wrote: »

Well you said "we" are now facing the prospect of losing our family home, so forgive the confusion on my part.

Where there's a will, there's a way.

Augmerson

Is that you Dylan Haskins?

uberalles

Vincent Browne put it up to Bertie Ahern when no one else had the balls.

He asked a simple question to that <30 year old. All they had to do was answer it.

LETHAL LADY

the emperors innuendo wrote: »

i would still consider it home since i was born and raised there

Well then why not support your parents in this difficult time, rather than pass judgement on them, unless you are secretly seething about your inheritance.

My parents, older than your own, did their best for me throughout their lives, feck it they made mistakes, but I can see the bigger picture and it scares the crap out of me knowing that they will not be around for much longer, maybe think of that OP, might help to subdue the bitterness.

Dwork

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

I wish this country had more Vincent Brownes

Old lads up to their necks in debt who spend all day talking and never get anything done/changed? Sure we've loads of those. Name one thing old gobby chops has succeeded in changing, apart from his bank balance?

a fat guy

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0266308/

Can you imagine how half-arsed our version would be when they tried to keep us in line like this?

FaganJr

Chucken wrote: »

You dont realise that the youth of the 80s faced the same thing. The difference was that we didnt whinge about it, we got on with it. Granted, people left the country in droves, but those of who stayed (a lot of people) made the best of it.

Yes we did and we still do, we got on with it, yes because like now we have no other choice!
Jesus Christ we complained ALOT, only difference we had no outlet like the internet. It was all local, the Disco, the Pub and the Church and Bingo if you were into the kind of crack!
Dont make our generation to be any better than this one, our biggest mistake was voting in FF for 12 years and it was the older generations that done that! And will do it again by the looks of things! WE ****ed up just as much!

the emperors innuendo

LETHAL LADY wrote: »

Well then why not support your parents in this difficult time, rather than pass judgement on them, unless you are secretly seething about your inheritance.

My parents, older than your own, did their best for me throughout their lives, feck it they made mistakes, but I can see the bigger picture and it scares the crap out of me knowing that they will not be around for much longer, maybe think of that OP, might help to subdue the bitterness.

i would rather watch them suffer the effects of their own greed.

Chucken

FaganJr wrote: »

Yes we did and we still do, we got on with it, yes because like now we have no other choice!
Jesus Christ we complained ALOT, only difference we had no outlet like the internet. It was all local, the Disco, the Pub and the Church and Bingo if you were into the kind of crack!
Dont make our generation to be any better than this one, our biggest mistake was voting in FF for 12 years and it was the older generations that done that! And will do it again by the looks of things! WE ****ed up just as much!

Oh I'm not making out we're better than this generation. I was trying point out thats its all happened before...no doubt it'll happen again.
One thing though, I certainly never held out for a "certain" type of job, I took what was there. I had 2 children to raise and if I got a few hours here and there, it didnt matter what it was.
All the hours added up and I made it through without signing on.
My oddest job was chimney cleaning, I bought some brushes and knocked on doors!
Big deal you might say? No big deal only I'm a woman

bleg

We are an ageist society but against people under 25 rather than those over 65.

LETHAL LADY

the emperors innuendo wrote: »

i would rather watch them suffer the effects of their own greed.

Than?

the emperors innuendo

LETHAL LADY wrote: »

Than?

support them.

ejmaztec

the emperors innuendo wrote: »

i would rather watch them suffer the effects of their own greed.

You should try this.

uberalles

Chucken wrote: »

Oh I'm not making out we're better than this generation. I was trying point out thats its all happened before...no doubt it'll happen again.
One thing though, I certainly never held out for a "certain" type of job, I took what was there. I had 2 children to raise and if I got a few hours here and there, it didnt matter what it was.
All the hours added up and I made it through without signing on.
My oddest job was chimney cleaning, I bought some brushes and knocked on doors!
Big deal you might say? No big deal only I'm a woman

Well done you and without signing on ! Respect

LETHAL LADY

the emperors innuendo wrote: »

support them.

So their poor financial decisions are the tip of the iceberg?

toastedpickles

Had an experience with that in college there a year ago, there was a french guy in my class, about 55 years old and he wasn't the best on a computer, we had a project where we had to survey a 2 story building, draw it up, and print each drawing on an a1 page, He was originally an artist so him and technical drawings didn't really work

So cue printing day and he decides to plot his drawings out in all black and white ink for the actual drawings when its meant to be black lines for the drawing, which is common sense, I warned him about this and his reply "ah it'l be fine, you're only young you don't know what you're on about, I've been doing this way longer then you"

Day of the hand up we had an architect in with us and she ripped him apart, cue smug as feck pickles

Zulu

the emperors innuendo wrote: »

i would rather watch them suffer the effects of their own greed.

Nice! You must love them deeply.

Three Seasons

Chucken wrote: »

Oh I'm not making out we're better than this generation. I was trying point out thats its all happened before...no doubt it'll happen again.
One thing though, I certainly never held out for a "certain" type of job, I took what was there. I had 2 children to raise and if I got a few hours here and there, it didnt matter what it was.
All the hours added up and I made it through without signing on.
My oddest job was chimney cleaning, I bought some brushes and knocked on doors!
Big deal you might say? No big deal only I'm a woman

Can you clarify what "this generation" is?

periodictable

I don't object to her age.
Rather I have a problem with nepotism. We need a law that prohibits any family member from running for a relative's seat. They should instead have to seek election in another constituency.

For Forks Sake

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

I wish this country had more Vincent Brownes

We have one. That's quite enough

As you seek more though, there are at least 10 more: http://bit.ly/15eZQo8

FaganJr

Chucken wrote: »

Oh I'm not making out we're better than this generation. I was trying point out thats its all happened before...no doubt it'll happen again.
One thing though, I certainly never held out for a "certain" type of job, I took what was there. I had 2 children to raise and if I got a few hours here and there, it didnt matter what it was.
All the hours added up and I made it through without signing on.
My oddest job was chimney cleaning, I bought some brushes and knocked on doors!
Big deal you might say? No big deal only I'm a woman

Fair Play, wasn't trying to put your efforts down, just saying we moaned just as much as anybody, just nobody could hear / read us! Thank god, imagine looking back on boards / facebook from the 80's!
Thank God for small mercy's!

We are already repeating our mistakes but this time we can see them happening in real time, we are going to hand the deeds of this country back to FF. I honestly despair for the youth when this happens again!

Chucken

Three Seasons wrote: »

Can you clarify what "this generation" is?

Well I suppose considering the op is 26...anywhere between 18 and 30.

looksee

the emperors innuendo wrote: »

I was once a great believer that one should respect his elders but I no longer believe in this considering how my parents behaved during the economic boom, remortgaging our family home and now we are faced with the prospect of losing it. I think its time for a social revolution in this country where the youth should mobilize and the old should step aside so that we can restore it to its former glory. Because it has been at times of great crisis where the youth have shown true leadership!

Just interested in this family home,how many generations has it been passed down through? Or did they work to pay for it? In which case, in remortgaging (did they go on a cruise? Buy a merc? ) it they were remortgaging their own property and managing their own finances, which are none of your business.

WhatNowForUs?

LETHAL LADY wrote: »

So their poor financial decisions are the tip of the iceberg?

Yep. Something alot deeper there.

Galwayguy35

the emperors innuendo wrote: »

I was watching Vincent brown the other night and among the panel he had on was a young female candidate for some by election. I think she said she was 27 or so. Although I am a fan of Brown and the controversy he generates, being the presenter that he is he had to ask that stupid question posed to all young aspiring politicians which is; 'do you not think your a bit young?'. I cringed when asked this question. what has age to do with political competence?
The track record of the past government would suggest that old age corresponds with political incompetence. Off the top of my head I would think that the medium age of those in that government was 50. Going by Browne's logic and probably the logic of many of the elders in this country, would suggest the older a party is the more politically competent it is.

But this is obvious bullcr.ap as history has thought us that with age in this country comes political incompetence since it is now the generation of youth, my generation, who has to clean up after the shower of crooks and gangsters who took a world class economy and drove it into the ground.
Perhaps its my generation who are better off running this country since it is us who have paid the ultimate price by the incompetence of our elders since we are the ones who are first hit by social welfare cuts and forced to immigrate because of the lack of opportunities our 'elders' deprived us of.

I was once a great believer that one should respect his elders but I no longer believe in this considering how my parents behaved during the economic boom, remortgaging our family home and now we are faced with the prospect of losing it. I think its time for a social revolution in this country where the youth should mobilize and the old should step aside so that we can restore it to its former glory. Because it has been at times of great crisis where the youth have shown true leadership!

It's your parents home seeing as they paid for it not you, sure you grew up there but you have no claim on it as it wasn't you paying the mortgage.

To be honest you sound like a typical celtic tiger cub who had it good during the boom years and things are different now.

It was your parents generation that worked their way out of the recession of the 1980s which is the one I grew up in.

Your generation has achieved nothing yet so until you do talk is cheap.

kupus

periodictable wrote: »

I don't object to her age.
Rather I have a problem with nepotism. We need a law that prohibits any family member from running for a relative's seat. They should instead have to seek election in another constituency.

I do have a problem with her age. I do have a problem with her job experience.

If being fresh out of college wasnt bad enough, she goes ands takes a job for her dad. What in 7 hells does she know of anything even remotely related to the real world.

PhlegmyMoses

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

It was your parents generation that worked their way out of the recession of the 1980s which is the one I grew up in.

Your generation has achieved nothing yet so until you do talk is cheap.

What a load of nonsense. That generation did the exact same as this one, just replace Britain with Australia and the US with Canada.

CollardGreens

i would rather watch them suffer the effects of their own greed.

You would rather watch them suffer?

Then should they have watched YOU suffer when you needed:

To have your messy bottom wiped when you were a baby and they just should have left you in your own poop?

To have you go to school with no shoes (no, they are not free)

Needed food, cooked and birthday cakes on your birthdays?

A bed to sleep in

Supplies for school


Of course the list could go on and probably still does.

Someone should paddle your messy behind until it knocks some reality into your ungrateful self centered spoiled rotten mind!

It's NOT all about you or your generation, we are have crosses to bare ~ I'm sure your parents gave up a lot for you, and this attitude is what you give them back? That YOU WANT THEM TO SUFFER????

You are not worthy, shame on you! :mad:

Sponge Bob

the emperors innuendo wrote: »

I was watching Vincent brown the other night and among the panel he had on was a young female candidate for some by election. I think she said she was 27 or so. Although I am a fan of Brown and the controversy he generates, being the presenter that he is he had to ask that stupid question posed to all young aspiring politicians which is; 'do you not think your a bit young?'. I cringed when asked this question. what has age to do with political competence?

Maybe you missed the obvious question which runs like:

"Why was nobody allowed to challenge you at the party selection convention for your late fathers seat in the Dáil"

CollardGreens

CollardGreens wrote: »

You would rather watch them suffer?

Then should they have watched YOU suffer when you needed:

To have your messy bottom wiped when you were a baby and they just should have left you in your own poop?

To have you go to school with no shoes (no, they are not free)

Needed food, cooked and birthday cakes on your birthdays?

A bed to sleep in

Supplies for school


Of course the list could go on and probably still does.

Someone should paddle your messy behind until it knocks some reality into your ungrateful self centered spoiled rotten mind!

It's NOT all about you or your generation, we are have crosses to bare ~ I'm sure your parents gave up a lot for you, and this attitude is what you give them back? That YOU WANT THEM TO SUFFER????

You are not worthy, shame on you! :mad:

Just in case you're not joking (and I really, really hope you are):

This is what parents do. And that is the bare minimum. No parent should ever expect thanks for taking care of the child THEY decided to bring into the world. If there are people out there who think their children should grovel to them because they bought school shoes or wiped their bottom, they're not fit to be parents.

CollardGreens

This is what parents do. And that is the bare minimum. No parent should ever expect thanks for taking care of the child THEY decided to bring into the world. If there are people out there who think their children should grovel to them because they bought school shoes or wiped their bottom, they're not fit to be parents.

NO, this is not what all parents do, what I typed is what GOOD parents do, parents that LOVE their children. And children should be grateful for even the bare minimum and respect/thank their parents. Children are a gift from God, and if that child gets born to good parents, then it is also the child that is gifted too.

I just read an article about a mother that had her 5yo shot for the insurance money!

Some mothers sell their children, read another story yesterday about parents that kept their small child in a cage.

A lot of young adults today are of the entitlement generation and they EXPECT just because they were birthed into this world that the world and their parents OWE them......this is a fantasy, it doesn't work that way anymore than it worked that way with all the other generations.

Life is not easy no matter what your age is, people do the best they can and don't need to be given any s**t because they can't live up to impossible expectations.

Galwayguy35

PhlegmyMoses wrote: »

What a load of nonsense. That generation did the exact same as this one, just replace Britain with Australia and the US with Canada.

Where did I say people didn't leave in the 1980s for work?

The point I was making was that that generation had it just as tough and they worked their way out of it.

jca

At least the people who emigrated in the '80's sent money home to help good parents improve the family situation back home. The whining brats that are drinking/drugging in oz are only there for a 2 year holiday followed by the crying phone call from the airport looking for a lift home to the free digs......Oh stop by the off licence for a crate of bud there Da I'll pay you back when I get my dole restarted....... Grow up sunshine!!!
I'm going to bed now, after being up all night working bringing arrested adolesents like the op home........... to Mammy and Daddy's house.... That they are paying for.......

Arpa

the emperors innuendo wrote: »

first hit by social welfare cuts and forced to immigrate because of the lack of opportunities our 'elders' deprived us of.

No you can't run the country, you can't differentiate between emigrate and immigrate.

Arpa

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

It's your parents home seeing as they paid for it not you, sure you grew up there but you have no claim on it as it wasn't you paying the mortgage.

To be honest you sound like a typical celtic tiger cub who had it good during the boom years and things are different now.

It was your parents generation that worked their way out of the recession of the 1980s which is the one I grew up in.

Your generation has achieved nothing yet so until you do talk is cheap.

Entitled to something? What has your generation achieved, and what part did you play in it? You did nothing...stop trying to feel important by claiming you were of the generation that ended a recession. You had no control over the sway of the economy...that was determined by fiscal policy over which you had no control. Like it or not you're just another pawn spending your pay cheque in Lidl every week.

Ray Palmer

the emperors innuendo wrote: »

i would rather watch them suffer the effects of their own greed.

You know when most parents to try to secure their future their children are included. If things had worked out they would most likely have been ready with money to help you out for a deposit on a home etc...

You claim to have been independently living since 17. You could have well been but all the things you had at the starting point were from your parents. Unusual to have parents cut off their children at this point but if you say they never gave you anything are you being truthful?

I think age is pretty important for public office from the simple mind process a lot of twenty-thirty year olds have when they look back a year or two and think "Jesus, what was I at?"

I'm 25 and fairly well informed but it'll be a while yet until I'm really my own man. I'm still too impressionable to consider myself even close to being ready to be a public representative.