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My LS430 - Converted to LPG - Review

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  • #122
    sorel
    Closed Accounts Posts: 90 ✭✭sorel


    LPG station in Finglas /Jamestown business park ex Gaspro/ will probably have reopen next week. I hope with good price...


  • #123
    mullingar
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,340 ✭✭✭mullingar


    Why did they close in the first place?


  • #124
    Sobanek
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,354 ✭✭✭Sobanek


    mullingar wrote: »
    Why did they close in the first place?

    Lack of demand?:pac:


  • #125
    sorel
    Closed Accounts Posts: 90 ✭✭sorel


    Sobanek wrote: »
    Lack of demand?:pac:
    always no gas...thats why


  • #126
    Basil Fawlty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 289 ✭✭Basil Fawlty


    LPG is now available in Bray!

    http://www.braygas.ie/index.php/9-blog/13-now-supplying-autogas


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  • #127
    sealgaire
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 755 ✭✭✭sealgaire


    Has anybody used this calculator?
    http://www.autogasyorkshire.co.uk/savings-calculator/


  • #128
    Kenny Logins
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,060 ✭✭✭Kenny Logins


    sealgaire wrote: »
    Has anybody used this calculator?
    http://www.autogasyorkshire.co.uk/savings-calculator/

    Just did.


  • #129
    aidanki
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,289 ✭✭✭aidanki


    V interested in this, seems to be some money to be saved, can this be done to any petrol car or does it have to be a specific model,

    Can it be done for 1.4 patrols?


  • #130
    sealgaire
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 755 ✭✭✭sealgaire


    aidanki wrote: »
    V interested in this, seems to be some money to be saved, can this be done to any petrol car or does it have to be a specific model,

    Can it be done for 1.4 patrols?

    Yea any car


  • #131
    Kenny Logins
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,060 ✭✭✭Kenny Logins


    There's another calculator here - http://www.autogasireland.ie/about.html

    If those figures (even when conservatively estimated) are correct I really should get my car converted...


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  • #132
    galwaytt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,788 ✭✭✭✭galwaytt


    .....just an update on the brother's Saab - he came up to Galway for the w/end, so I got to drive it a bit.

    Some thoughts:
    1. Performance: Zero difference that I could tell between driving it on LPG or petrol. Even switching over on the move, I couldn't tell. For me, that makes them at least equal.
    2. Economy: filled it in Loughrea, after arriving from Cork, and it averaged 24.8mpg. Call it 25. It does 27 on petrol, so it does about 8% less distance on a 'gallon' of LPG. But the price of LPG fuel (in Loughrea) meant it was 40% cheaper than petrol ! :eek: (99.9c/litre - in Cork he's getting it for 79c/litre in one place !! :eek: :eek: )
    3. Technical: didn't like cold starting on gas, so I reckon he needs to go back after a few miles and get it recalibrated/tweaked.


    Other than that, I'm struggling to understand why ANY of us are using petrol at all !!

    Ode To The Motorist

    “And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, generates funds to the exchequer. You don't want to acknowledge that as truth because, deep down in places you don't talk about at the Green Party, you want me on that road, you need me on that road. We use words like freedom, enjoyment, sport and community. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent instilling those values in our families and loved ones. You use them as a punch line. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the tax revenue and the very freedom to spend it that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise I suggest you pick up a bus pass and get the ********* ********* off the road” 



  • #133
    pavelpro
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 178 ✭✭pavelpro


    Does anyone knows could WAG TSI engines (1.4TSI 140hp, DSG) could be converted to LPG? i know it require different type of equipment and mainland Europe is practising this conversion but not sure about Ireland,


  • #134
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 21,179 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    pavelpro wrote: »
    Does anyone knows could WAG TSI engines (1.4TSI 140hp, DSG) could be converted to LPG? i know it require different type of equipment and mainland Europe is practising this conversion but not sure about Ireland,


    Yes the TSI can be converted but as they are a direct injected engine the kits are very expensive.

    I e-mailed lpg.ie and they said the kits for those engines is 3000 Euro's :eek:

    So if you were spending 80 a week on petrol and after conversion you were spending 45 it would take 85 weeks to pay back.

    You would want to be keeping the car a long time to make it worth while.

    Where as if you convert using the standard kits costing 1000 Euro's and spending 60 a week on petrol, on LPG at 80 c litre you would probably spend 35 a week taking into account inefficiencies, the pay back only taking 40 weeks in total.


  • #135
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 21,179 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    It would be better to convert a 6 Cylinder BMW at that rate, probably 1500 Euro's.

    The VAG petrols are not the most reliable anyway so in the end you could be spending a fortune on those cars, especially the 1.4 TSI engines super charged ones.

    I think Fiat's T-jet is direct injected also, but a far more reliable engine.

    Most engines today are afaik are direct injected.


  • #136
    enviro
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,292 ✭✭✭enviro


    Special offer running at the moment in LP gain
    Book your car this week and receive

    €100 OFF or 200 litres autogas

    voucher free worth €170.

    Minimum deposit €50

    I have calculated that at a 25% reduction in my fuel bill, I would save €150 per month...

    Conversion would be paid for in less than 7 months.

    Regarding the LPG side of things, how much would the servicing costs per year be?


  • #137
    galwaytt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,788 ✭✭✭✭galwaytt


    enviro wrote: »
    Special offer running at the moment in LP gain



    I have calculated that at a 25% reduction in my fuel bill, I would save €150 per month...

    Conversion would be paid for in less than 7 months.

    Regarding the LPG side of things, how much would the servicing costs per year be?

    No difference in servicing for the engine. In fact, gas engines are known for keeping their engine oil cleaner - ditto spark plugs.

    Ode To The Motorist

    “And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, generates funds to the exchequer. You don't want to acknowledge that as truth because, deep down in places you don't talk about at the Green Party, you want me on that road, you need me on that road. We use words like freedom, enjoyment, sport and community. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent instilling those values in our families and loved ones. You use them as a punch line. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the tax revenue and the very freedom to spend it that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise I suggest you pick up a bus pass and get the ********* ********* off the road” 



  • #138
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 21,179 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The LPG system needs filters replaced, don't know if anything else needs doing ?

    But can someone say what the actual cost is ?


  • #139
    sorel
    Closed Accounts Posts: 90 ✭✭sorel


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Yes the TSI can be converted but as they are a direct injected engine the kits are very expensive.

    I e-mailed lpg.ie and they said the kits for those engines is 3000 Euro's :eek:

    So if you were spending 80 a week on petrol and after conversion you were spending 45 it would take 85 weeks to pay back.

    You would want to be keeping the car a long time to make it worth while.

    Where as if you convert using the standard kits costing 1000 Euro's and spending 60 a week on petrol, on LPG at 80 c litre you would probably spend 35 a week taking into account inefficiencies, the pay back only taking 40 weeks in total.

    Check code of your engine here
    If it's on the list you would convert this car probably much, much cheaper than 3000 euros.
    I think there are distributors and conversion garages in Ireland


  • #140
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 21,179 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I didn't see the price ?

    So 3000 is a rip off then ?


  • #141
    Matt Simis
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,718 ✭✭✭Matt Simis


    Deleted User wrote: »
    I didn't see the price ?

    So 3000 is a rip off then ?

    3000 for what exactly?


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  • #142
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 21,179 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Matt Simis wrote: »
    3000 for what exactly?

    Quote for GTI conversion because it's direct injection.


  • #143
    sorel
    Closed Accounts Posts: 90 ✭✭sorel


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Quote for GTI conversion because it's direct injection.

    I spoke to guys who converts cars using STAG and Prince systems in Dublin. Price for engine with direct injection about 300-400 euros more than price with normal injection. The problem is each direct injection engine needs autogas KIT dedicated only to this engine...


  • #144
    mullingar
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,340 ✭✭✭mullingar


    Here is the installation manual for the Stag 400 DPI

    http://www.ac.com.pl/public/pubonline/cms/files/Programy-i-instrukcje-obslugi/stag400dpi/angielski/STAG_400_DPI_manual.pdf

    It seems to still work the traditional way, ie indirect LPG vapour, rather than liquid LPG directly into the cylinder


  • #145
    sorel
    Closed Accounts Posts: 90 ✭✭sorel


    mullingar wrote: »
    Here is the installation manual for the Stag 400 DPI

    http://www.ac.com.pl/public/pubonline/cms/files/Programy-i-instrukcje-obslugi/stag400dpi/angielski/STAG_400_DPI_manual.pdf

    It seems to still work the traditional way, ie indirect LPG vapour, rather than liquid LPG directly into the cylinder

    If somebody wants to spend more money go here
    http://www.prinsautogas.com/en/products/directliquimax_system/directliquimax_system.html


  • #146
    jfk1977
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11 ✭jfk1977


    I have a 2.5T volvo with a thirsty petrol engine and really considering either getting rid of it or converting but main problem is where are the gaz filling points located.


  • #147
    sorel
    Closed Accounts Posts: 90 ✭✭sorel


    jfk1977 wrote: »
    I have a 2.5T volvo with a thirsty petrol engine and really considering either getting rid of it or converting but main problem is where are the gaz filling points located.

    Check here : http://www.mylpg.eu/stations/
    or here : https://maps.google.ie/maps/ms?msid=214379981455406153958.0004d01e152f89e3adbf0&msa=0


  • #148
    sorel
    Closed Accounts Posts: 90 ✭✭sorel


    sorel wrote: »
    Check here : http://www.mylpg.eu/stations/
    or here : https://maps.google.ie/maps/ms?msid=214379981455406153958.0004d01e152f89e3adbf0&msa=0

    I thought there will no longer be gas in Finglas at Jamestown Business Park, but it seems that the guys from Tallaght took it into their hands.


  • #149
    jfk1977
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11 ✭jfk1977


    Like most people who really need this im to far away from a lpg filling station. 50km. Can you install a LPG tank in your home and get it filled every few months and has anyone done this


  • #150
    mullingar
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,340 ✭✭✭mullingar


    jfk1977 wrote: »
    Like most people who really need this im to far away from a lpg filling station. 50km. Can you install a LPG tank in your home and get it filled every few months and has anyone done this

    It can be done.

    What you need is a home fill kit, it will cost around €2-3000 to install plus a yearly safety check. Its basically a fork-lift filling station.

    You also need to pay an extra 10c/litre for duty on the fuel for road use.


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  • #151
    Suasdaguna1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 525 ✭✭✭Suasdaguna1


    mullingar wrote: »
    You also need to pay an extra 10c/litre for duty on the fuel for road use.

    Well our pals in revenue can't "dip" gas? All smart ars@ comments aside how can the Feds regulate this?


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