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Czarcasm · 12-03-2013 5:48pm

starlings wrote: »

There is nothing wrong with my freckledy face, nor my curly hair that is still sometimes difficult to keep tidy.

There never was anything wrong with them, but thanks for the sympathy and positive encouragement.

I'm sorry starlings, I'm not best known for my complimentary nature, just ask my wife! Yes her bum DOES look big in certain dresses, but I LIKE a big bum! It's just not the answer she wants to hear

What I was getting at is that when the girls would bang on and on about make-up and insist I use it to cover my freckles, or try to fix my hair into a style I didn't want, I would politely decline, hoping they would leave me alone and not laugh behind my back,

I prefer when people talk behind my back tbh, if they can't say it to my face it's not worth listening to and even less worth getting stressed about.

while silently developing my Unpopular Opinion that they were quite an unimaginative bunch of twáts.

Bit of reverse snobbery there though starlings in fairness.

starlings · 12-03-2013 6:02pm

Czarcasm wrote: »

I'm sorry starlings, I'm not best known for my complimentary nature, just ask my wife! Yes her bum DOES look big in certain dresses, but I LIKE a big bum! It's just not the answer she wants to hear

I prefer when people talk behind my back tbh, if they can't say it to my face it's not worth listening to and even less worth getting stressed about.

Bit of reverse snobbery there though starlings in fairness.

It's kind of reverse snobbery, but not exactly, because I still baffle some women who really like make-up and hair-styling, and they seem to almost feel sorry for me. Like I think you did, a bit :pac: and then it gets a bit lady-doth-protest-too-much, when all I'd like is not to be judged on my looks alone, or for anyone to judge my looks at all. (To my face anyway; like you I don't care otherwise.)

But I stand by thinking the arbiters of grooming are unimaginative, since some people, even some men on this thread, do like a more natural look.

kunst nugget · 12-03-2013 6:08pm

Holy Moley, women really know how to go on and on and on about make up…

OldNotWIse · 12-03-2013 6:12pm

starlings wrote: »

It's kind of reverse snobbery, but not exactly, because I still baffle some women who really like make-up and hair-styling, and they seem to almost feel sorry for me. Like I think you did, a bit :pac: and then it gets a bit lady-doth-protest-too-much, when all I'd like is not to be judged on my looks alone, or for anyone to judge my looks at all. (To my face anyway; like you I don't care otherwise.)

But I stand by thinking the arbiters of grooming are unimaginative, since some people, even some men on this thread, do like a more natural look.

I think we should all live and let live

Madam_X · 12-03-2013 11:05pm

starlings wrote: »

There is nothing wrong with my freckledy face, nor my curly hair that is still sometimes difficult to keep tidy.

There never was anything wrong with them

No arguments there.

all I'd like is not to be judged on my looks alone, or for anyone to judge my looks at all. (To my face anyway; like you I don't care otherwise.)

Of course. But is saying a bit of make-up makes people look nicer again really the same as the above? If someone said to me she was unhappy with how she looks specifically, I'd say to her to emphasise the bits of her that she's happy with, e.g. if her eyes, then mascara will bring them out more; her lips - a bit of lip-liner. It's to enhance, not to change. And I wouldn't be thinking it would change her life or anything, but might give her a small boost. If a woman does not wish to wear make-up though, I'm not saying there's anything remotely wrong with that.
I didn't seek approval from the "boy-mad" crowd either - I had extremely pale skin and jet black hair with streaks of red in it and wore only what I wanted and a style of make-up that was purely what I liked, not what was deemed fashionable.

But I stand by thinking the arbiters of grooming are unimaginative, since some people, even some men on this thread, do like a more natural look.

Grooming and being imaginative are not mutually exclusive, unless you can be a bit more specific. Just because people on this thread say they prefer a more natural look doesn't mean they're ruling out grooming.

All I was saying was "Women look better without make-up" is not a correct thing to say in so so many cases - it doesn't mean they always look terrible without it but not "better" without it, given how it smooths out blemishes and brightens up a complexion. I was not saying every woman should wear make-up though.

starlings · 12-03-2013 11:17pm

case of my sensitive skin and a few split ends here I think, Madam_X.

Jazzmaster · 13-03-2013 12:07am

Mardy Bum wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lugUd7fIx8Q

How could anyone not find this funny.

Gervais is an unfunny twat 99% of the time but, credit where credit's due, that's a feckin funny clip.

sbsquarepants · 13-03-2013 9:46am

Madam_X wrote: »

Takes minutes to apply - not insecurity, just liking looking my best.

I didn't mean your insecurity - i meant my ex. Anyone who can not bear to be seen as they really are, even just in passing by complete strangers and needs an hour long ritual to leave their house has an issue or two if you ask me!

bluewolf wrote: »

Mine takes 10 mins to apply, max. You just got unlucky picking someone taking hours, if they genuinely did
Good eyeliner does improve anything!

Oh she definitely did. I still see her around quite regularly and by the looks of things she hasn't changed (we lived together 10 or 12 years ago)

Madam_X wrote: »

but anyone who says "women" across the board look better without make-up obviously knows they're being disingenuous.

I don't think women across the board look better without makeup, i just have an extreme preference for the ones who do! Some, quite obviously need all the help they can get.

starlings wrote: »

What I was getting at is that when the girls would bang on and on about make-up and insist I use it to cover my freckles, or try to fix my hair into a style I didn't want,

I think freckles are sexy! Why people plaster over them with greasy shít is a mystery to me. I know one girl who goes out looking like a wax work model of herself, all to hide her freckles - which to my mind are her nicest feature.

Czarcasm · 13-03-2013 10:28am

I'll try and word this as delicately as possible because there's a line between an unpopular opinion and what could be construed as an offensive one, so here goes:

There's too much of an emphasis or exposure, a disproportionate amount really, of overtly and outrageously effeminate gay men on television nowadays. It's like a persona they put on to play up to a stereotype!

Examples include Louis Spence, Carson Kressley (Queer Eye for the Straight Guy), Jack McFarland (Will and Grace), and, well, any gay man that appeared in Sex and the City!

I watched Alan Carr the other night who interviewed Rylan Clark (an X Factor contestant who played up to the overtly camp gay stereotype on the X Factor), and the difference between how he played up on the show (who will ever forget his reaction when Nicole Sherzinger told him he was through, comedy gold!

), and how he came across on Alan Carr was like night and day! He still played the somewhat "ditzy Essex" stereotype, but he was far more subdued and could actually talk normally without going all nasal and high pitched like he'd caught his balls in a vice grip!

At least Gok Wan is somewhat tolerable given he can still appreciate "a decent set of bangers!"

OldNotWIse · 13-03-2013 10:30am

sbsquarepants wrote: »

I didn't mean your insecurity - i meant my ex. Anyone who can not bear to be seen as they really are, even just in passing by complete strangers and needs an hour long ritual to leave their house has an issue or two if you ask me!.

I agree. I often go without makeup at weekends/evenings taking the dog out to the park etc . But I love putting on makeup and just feeling 100% beautiful

sbsquarepants · 13-03-2013 11:12am

OldNotWIse wrote: »

I agree. I often go without makeup at weekends/evenings taking the dog out to the park etc . But I love putting on makeup and just feeling 100% beautiful

Ain't no harm in that!!:D

Annasopra · 13-03-2013 11:16am

OldNotWIse wrote: »

But not all Independent Group papers are lazy journalism are they?

Most of it is yes

Annasopra · 13-03-2013 11:18am

OldNotWIse wrote: »

I'm not really convinced that a lot of people who identify as gay are 100% so.

I'm not convinced that a lot of people who identify as hetero are 100% so

token101 · 13-03-2013 11:31am

That guy in the wheelchair should have been refused at that nightclub if he was in any way an insurance risk, I'd have done the same myself and I think it's far more of an outrage that a guy got sacked for doing what he must have thought at the time was the correct procedure. He was placed in a tough spot and got ****ed over by the willingness of people to jump on any passing bandwagon for some moral outrage at nothing. Much like the guy who got restrained in the Sydney Mardi Gras parades for being an aggressive little scumbag.

OldNotWIse · 13-03-2013 11:36am

mango salsa wrote: »

I'm not convinced that a lot of people who identify as hetero are 100% so

I would agree with that too

kunst nugget · 13-03-2013 11:44am

token101 wrote: »

That guy in the wheelchair should have been refused at that nightclub if he was in any way an insurance risk, I'd have done the same myself and I think it's far more of an outrage that a guy got sacked for doing what he must have thought at the time was the correct procedure. He was placed in a tough spot and got ****ed over by the willingness of people to jump on any passing bandwagon for some moral outrage at nothing. Much like the guy who got restrained in the Sydney Mardi Gras parades for being an aggressive little scumbag.

I'm guessing my unpopular opinion is that I don't really give two sh¡ts about what happened on the night at this stage and considering there's already been a thread locked on it, there's no need to break up this fascinating conversation on make up with more of the same.

kunst nugget · 13-03-2013 11:45am

OldNotWIse wrote: »

I would agree with that too

But do you 100% agree?

OldNotWIse · 13-03-2013 11:51am

kunst nugget wrote: »

But do you 100% agree?

Yup

No...

Wait...
Damn...

OldNotWIse · 13-03-2013 11:53am

Racism is only challeneged when it affects...certain ethnicities

old hippy · 13-03-2013 2:09pm

OldNotWIse wrote: »

Racism is only challeneged when it affects...certain ethnicities

A myth put about by that well known oppressed and enslaved ethnicity, the caucasian :rolleyes:

sbsquarepants · 13-03-2013 2:23pm

Are you suggesting that only non caucasions have ever been oppressed or enslaved?

the_monkey · 13-03-2013 2:32pm

The Beatles - Don't like them, whats up with them anyway ??

I have only met one other person in my life that agrees with me.

I find their songs annoying tbh..

thunderdog · 13-03-2013 2:40pm

the_monkey wrote: »

The Beatles - Don't like them, whats up with them anyway ??

I have only met one other person in my life that agrees with me.

I find their songs annoying tbh..

Are you more a fan of The Monkeys instead?

the_monkey · 13-03-2013 2:59pm

thunderdog wrote: »

Are you more a fan of The Monkeys instead?

got me !

1ZRed · 13-03-2013 3:08pm

There should be a televised pope olympics to find the winner every time one of them dies or resigns.

OldNotWIse · 13-03-2013 3:20pm

I'm completely unmoved by art. OK its not really an opinion, more of an admission.

Czarcasm · 13-03-2013 3:26pm

1ZRed wrote: »

There should be a televised pope olympics to find the winner every time one of them dies or resigns.

I just got a woeful mental image of old men in dresses lining up in the Vatican yard to play leap frog with each other, totally forgetting to do the leap when they take a run at the old guy bent over in front of them-

"oops, seems I made a cardinal error and managed to bury the bishop, tee hee".

*shudders*

1ZRed · 13-03-2013 3:36pm

Czarcasm wrote: »

I just got a woeful mental image of old men in dresses lining up in the Vatican yard to play leap frog with each other, totally forgetting to do the leap when they take a run at the old guy bent over in front of them-

"oops, seems I made a cardinal error and managed to bury the bishop, tee hee".

*shudders*

Well, at the minute they've all locked themselves into a room for an undecided amount of time, so it's up to your imagination to fill in the blanks :pac:

I'm sure there'll be plenty of filling being done alright :P

starlings · 13-03-2013 3:41pm

OldNotWIse wrote: »

I agree. I often go without makeup at weekends/evenings taking the dog out to the park etc . But I love putting on makeup and just feeling 100% beautiful

I do that with perfume - I suppose I'm just not that visually-oriented, and it's just as subjective.

1ZRed · 13-03-2013 4:09pm

Things in the country are very low. I often find myself hunching over to do stuff like buttering/cutting things on tables and counters. I'm not even that particularly tall either so it must be a bitch for taller guys again.

The average height for men in this country is 5'10, so why does it seem like everything is designed for the old average of 5'8?

It just would make sense for things to adjust to the population who are just getting taller by the generation, similar to what holland are doing.

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