Garda convicted of assaulting prisoner - 4 other Garda in same room "saw nothing"

Ruudi_Mentari · 12-03-2013 08:21PM

My name is URL wrote: »

I don't get why people have such a deference to authority in this country, regardless of how inept or thuggish the individuals are.

I've nothing against AGS but why defend the type of guy that drags their collective reputation through the mud? Boggles the mind tbh.

One person can't drag a collective reputation...

I'd recommend poeple take a leaf, and strike back at authority but only where it matters because otherwise they really will runamuck.

cursai · 12-03-2013 08:27PM

Ruudi_Mentari wrote: »

One person can't drag a collective reputation...

I'd recommend poeple take a leaf, and strike back at authority but only where it matters because otherwise they really will runamuck.

It's already gone amuck. We can't afford as a society to be placing so much emphasis on an offenders rights. it's great for people in a safe little bubble to preach about these idealistic rights of ALL people. but they only talk this way when they have no REAL insight. Only theoretical.
Their should be a balance but not in the favour of the offender.

m.j.w · 12-03-2013 08:29PM

Would garda stations not have cctv throughout them?

Chuck Stone · 12-03-2013 08:29PM

cursai wrote: »

the Gardai more reluctant to use any force.

Big brave man pushing a guy with handcuffs on, who thought he was being helped, face first into a wall. If robo-coward really wanted to be a tough guy why not offer to take the suspect's cuffs off and head into a field and give him a fighting chance?

That's the thing with bullies. They're only tough guys when they know there's no chance they'll get a taste of their own medicine.

3ndahalfof6 · 12-03-2013 08:29PM

No cell is that big.

RustyNut · 12-03-2013 08:34PM

Pappa Charlie wrote: »

Can't see how the Garda can get a fair trial at his appeal! But it seems Gardai are not afforded the same rights as scumbags by judges, the ombudsman rush in again when they think they have a juicy case, if there was so much corruption why so few convictions? Why don't they prosecute people who make vexatious complaints, they are supposed to but ignore that part of their job as usual!

In this case it would appear that the Garda is a scumbag so he should get the best of both sides.

3ndahalfof6 · 12-03-2013 08:36PM

Chuck Stone wrote: »

Big brave man pushing a guy with handcuffs on who thought he was being helped face first into a wall. If robocoward really wanted to be a tough guy offer the suspect to go into a field and give him a fighting chance.

That's the thing with bullies. They're only tough guys when they know there's no chance they'll get a taste of their own medicine.

This is true, but we are not there, I have been in cells beside scum, and the things they say to the cops and they think they can hit out (the law is on their side),

bolllocks, the shiit I listened to and the way they hit out (very sly) I think a good beating should be expected,

there is always a reason, be it past or there and then, is it the case they were lifted for no reason also.

Sunnyisland · 12-03-2013 08:43PM

There is/was no need for the garda to shove a man headfirst with his hands handcuffed behind his back into a radiator.If he was being disruptive and argumentative I am sure there are many laws been broken and he could have been further charged with them said offense, No need for this what so ever and does not do the Gardai any favors at all.

Chuck Stone · 12-03-2013 08:47PM

3ndahalfof6 wrote: »

This is true, but we are not there, I have been in cells beside scum, and the things they say to the cops and they think they can hit out (the law is on their side),

bolllocks, the shiit I listened to and the way they hit out (very sly) I think a good beating should be expected,

there is always a reason, be it past or there and then, is it the case they were lifted for no reason also.

Tbh if the guy gave the cop a kick in the balls I (personally) think he'd deserve a few slaps (maybe a bit more tbh) but turning around and thinking you're being helped and getting it?

That's just wrong.

'A man's gotta have a code'

Mr Whirly · 12-03-2013 08:49PM

All the Guards here should be sacked. You hear of this crap going on all the time and there's no place for it. If a Guard is willing to batter someone who is restrained they are as bad, if not worse than a lot of the people they've picked up. It makes them scumbags and any Guard who turns a blind eye is a scumbag too.

Ruudi_Mentari · 12-03-2013 08:50PM

Drink driving is a culture that has to be beaten out of us if you're asleep at the wheel, a wake-up call is due. Messiiiiii....

RustyNut · 12-03-2013 08:52PM

Chuck Stone wrote: »

Tbh if the guy gave the cop a kick in the balls I (personally) think he'd deserve a few slaps (maybe a bit more tbh) but turning around and thinking you're being helped?

That's just wrong.

'A man's gotta have a code'

And remember Its some bloke who probably just made the biggest ****up of his life and while not clever in the slightest a drink driver is not on the same criminal scale as an armed robber.

3ndahalfof6 · 12-03-2013 08:55PM

realies wrote: »

There is/was no need for the garda to shove a man headfirst with his hands handcuffed behind his back into a radiator.If he was being disruptive and argumentative I am sure there are many laws been broken and he could have been further charged with them said offense, No need for this what so ever and does not do the Gardai any favors at all.

You are right, but humans are humans, while you will say they are doing a job and should be partial, sometimes some humans need a different type of elbow greese,

it is the fookers who think they know the law and try to push others to their limit, but know fook all only what they hear other humans saying, they deserve no respect, they deserve no rights, they deserve what they get and if it does not seem to be fair there is a good chance they deserved it.

Ruudi_Mentari · 12-03-2013 09:03PM

RustyNut wrote: »

And remember Its some bloke who probably just made the biggest ****up of his life and while not clever in the slightest a drink driver is not on the same criminal scale as an armed robber.

is a potential killer on the loose, regardless. He is very much armed, and being over the limit may well rob somebody of their life

Up until the turn of the 90s drink driving in the movies was as compulsory as cigarettes in pop vids. Is just I don't ever want to suffer any passive driving...

Pappa Charlie · 12-03-2013 09:13PM

m.j.w wrote: »

Would garda stations not have cctv throughout them?

Dept of justice wouldn't pay for them, gardai would welcome them and the footage should be used in all cases in court and maybe judges would get a grasp of what gardai face from scum, if there are gardai out there misbehaving then they too would be exposed! But of course they wouldn't pay for them even in the good times!

3ndahalfof6 · 12-03-2013 09:26PM

Pappa Charlie wrote: »

Dept of justice wouldn't pay for them, gardai would welcome them and the footage should be used in all cases in court and maybe judges would get a grasp of what gardai face from scum, if there are gardai out there misbehaving then they too would be exposed! But of course they wouldn't pay for them even in the good times!

So easy but yet not so easy, things need to change big time in this country, lie detector test need to be implemented big style.

Pappa Charlie · 12-03-2013 09:45PM

3ndahalfof6 wrote: »

So easy but yet not so easy, things need to change big time in this country, lie detector test need to be implemented big style.

Politicans will never go for that one!!

3ndahalfof6 · 12-03-2013 09:48PM

Pappa Charlie wrote: »

Politicans will never go for that one!!

This is true, for the moment , but it will happen and sooner than most people think.

Seachmall · 12-03-2013 09:54PM

3ndahalfof6 wrote: »

So easy but yet not so easy, things need to change big time in this country, lie detector test need to be implemented big style.

3ndahalfof6 wrote: »

This is true, for the moment , but it will happen and sooner than most people think.

I hope not, lie detecters are notorious for not detecting lies.

Sunnyisland · 12-03-2013 09:55PM

Pappa Charlie wrote: »

Politicans will never go for that one!!

3ndahalfof6 wrote: »

This is true, for the moment , but it will happen and sooner than most people think.

They be afraid they could be used on them

3ndahalfof6 · 12-03-2013 10:00PM

Seachmall wrote: »

I hope not, lie detecters are notorious for not detecting lies.

This is true, if there not pluged in.

Seachmall · 12-03-2013 10:01PM

3ndahalfof6 wrote: »

This is true, if there not pluged in.

It's also true if they're attached to and operated by humans.

tayto lover · 12-03-2013 10:03PM

My missus is some lie detector. Can't fool her at all.

3ndahalfof6 · 12-03-2013 10:03PM

realies wrote: »

They be afraid they could be used on them

Politicians yes.

3ndahalfof6 · 12-03-2013 10:07PM

Seachmall wrote: »

It's also true if they're attached to and operated by humans.

Tis not the, rip toe nails of lie detector, it is well used and has showen to be pretty on the ball, but you are right, and something I agree with, it is not perfect, but it is a way to beat the chancer.

Seachmall · 12-03-2013 10:14PM

3ndahalfof6 wrote: »

it is well used and has showen to be pretty on the ball

It's so far off the ball it couldn't score in the special olympics which is why almost no courts in the western world recogonise it as admissible evidence.

3ndahalfof6 · 12-03-2013 10:18PM

Seachmall wrote: »

It's so far off the ball it couldn't score in the special olympics which is why almost no courts in the western world recogonise it as admissible evidence.

The reason the results are allowed into court, (as evidence) I scratch my balls :eek: ohhhhhhhhhh sorry luv.

wyndhurst · 12-03-2013 10:32PM

Why has Judge Mitchell taken the word of Derek Bradley over 4 Gardai?
There is nothing in the Indo report to indicate why?

Based on the little detail in the report, it is, in my opinion, far more likely that the drink driving suspect was "roaring and shouting profane names" at the female Garda.

I have NO sympathy for anyone caught drink driving.

HondaSami · 12-03-2013 10:34PM

wyndhurst wrote: »

I have NO sympathy for anyone caught drink driving.

Neither have i but that does not give someone the right to assault him ffs. Is assaulting someone not as bad as drink driving?

Seachmall · 12-03-2013 10:37PM

3ndahalfof6 wrote: »

The reason the results are allowed into court, (as evidence) I scratch my balls :eek: ohhhhhhhhhh sorry luv.

The reason they're accepted in some courts is because of ignorance and highly criticised studies.

Fortunately those courts are few and far between.

Garda convicted of assaulting prisoner - 4 other Garda in same room "saw nothing"

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