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Off The Ball Official Thread <Mod Note - Post #1, #533, #6651>

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,758 ✭✭✭Strongbow10


    styron wrote: »
    "The JNLR survey is conducted via in-home, personal interviews, among an annual sample of c15,000 adults aged 15+ in Ireland. The survey utilises the ‘one-day-aided’ recall methodology, whereby the respondent recalls all listening activity for the day prior to interview. A scripted, paper and pen, questionnaire is used by Ipsos MRBI's team of specialist interviewers.
    The JNLR survey is representative of the adult (15+) population of the country, the latest estimate of which is derived from the CSO - Quarterly National Household survey.
    The JNLR delivers average daily audiences, based on a rolling 12 month database. Analysis of data is conducted at a national, regional and local franchise level and by the main demographic groups for all stations.
    The sample is drawn to be representative of the population of each radio franchise area in geographic and demographic terms. Weighting factors are applied at analysis stage to re-align the national sample to known population estimates."
    On that basis I suspect a large proportion of the OTB audience flies under the radar. Factor in figures for 'listen back'/podcasting at home and from emigrants abroad, and I imagine the real audience is much larger again - NT will have a better idea on the basis of download and comparative '30 cent text-in' volume. If they could only have found some way to monetise the podcasts ...

    Stuck with the JNLR figures alone it doesn't look good for OTB - in an overall declining evening market it's faring badly with a Q4 decline from 50,000 to 39,000 (amazingly to me):

    otbm.jpg
    http://www.bizplus.ie/upload/documents/OMD_JNLR_Charts_(Jan-Dec_12).pdf


    One explanation that might ring paradoxically true:

    "Elsewhere, she [Oilbhe Doyle of media agency OMD] says that the late evening (7pm-9pm broadly) slot has seen significant declines, bucking the trend of most recent years. "Dave Fanning is the only show experiencing increases whilst Off the Ball must be very disappointed with a 28% fall in listenership for what in many ways is now a seminal show in the Irish radio landscape. Ironically, one wonders if the surfeit of live sport hosted in our time zone (Olympics, Special Olympics and the Euros) had a detrimental effect on the listenership of Ireland's leading sports radio show."

    http://www.adworld.ie/news/read/?id=bdcc10d4-e212-4729-96b6-5bad615a3b44


    If the lads weren't already up against it - bring on the format pilfering parasitic zombie that is RTE, desperate to shore up 2FM - the revamped sports show with added live commentary - to leech what audience it could.

    You can see why OTB couldn't stand still in the JNLR ratings game and the guys were keen to try and straddle the much larger potential drive time audience with a mixed sports/current affairs format - if the reports are true.

    Damning OTB by comparing it's audience with Hook's drive time is ridiculous - the time slots are chalk & cheese, comparing a captive audience to an elective one - eg. av. 2012 audience: (RTE1) Drivetime to Sport at 7 dropped from 266,000 to 31,000, Hook to OTB 136K to 46K.

    In any event there's a strong argument to be made aside from ratings alone, that OTB can fall within a Public Service remit: if Denis O'Brien hopes to get his hands on any restructured licence fee funding this is exactly the kind of litmus test programming that has to be developed.

    I'd imagine theres a large market who do not listen to OTB live every night.

    Rather they avail of the podcasts


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,174 ✭✭✭youcancallmeal


    Does anyone know how exactly do they measure radio listening figures?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,886 ✭✭✭IRE60


    official doc


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 548 ✭✭✭Nwm2


    Tombo2001 wrote: »
    I actually find the listenership figures a little difficult to believe.

    This is the reason why.

    Personally, Off the Ball is the only radio show I listen to.

    Whats more, its the only radio show I would actively talk to people about.

    Most people I know, male, mid-thirties, would listen to the show. Especially if they are a sports fan.

    I could ask them about any other radio show, wouldnt have a clue.

    I'd like to know how the listenership figures are calculated.......because obviously that show was only attracting a particular type of listener.....

    Namely male, say between 20 upwards.....anyone who is interested in sport and listens to the radio basically.

    But for that particular type of listener, I'd say it had a huge % following, and I doubt that this was captured in the listenership figures.


    Funnily enough, at breakfast the other day with a bunch of guys 20s-30s, all highly into sports, I was the only regular listener, a large percentage never even heard of it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,940 ✭✭✭ballsymchugh


    Nwm2 wrote: »
    Funnily enough, at breakfast the other day with a bunch of guys 20s-30s, all highly into sports, I was the only regular listener, a large percentage never even heard of it.

    i live in a half arsed provincial town in the UK, and meet up with 4 or 5 irish guys every week or so for beverages, and we all listen to it online/podcast. not all of us are seriously into sport.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,741 ✭✭✭withless


    OTB appeals to the more intellectual sports fan. Your average 'hats/scarves/headband' yahoo would switch off after 5 mins.

    Thats a good thing.

    The playing field is still wide open for the boys. Hopefully they will get a chance to grow a primetime audience attracted to their style.

    This country is so backward in its media tastes, a fresh voice hasn't had an opportunity. Yet.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,535 ✭✭✭passremarkable


    Listening to OTB on way home from training last few evenings, just not the same I'm afraid


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,041 ✭✭✭✭Dodge


    withless wrote: »
    OTB appeals to the more intellectual sports fan. Your average 'hats/scarves/headband' yahoo would switch off after 5 mins.

    You think? I've always found it to be a mix of excellent guests (McDeviit a good broadcaster) and some real LCD 'banter' :rolleyes:

    Don't think it could ever call itself high-brow


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 88,968 ✭✭✭✭mike65


    withless wrote: »
    OTB appeals to the more intellectual sports fan. Your average 'hats/scarves/headband' yahoo would switch off after 5 mins.

    Thats a good thing.

    The playing field is still wide open for the boys. Hopefully they will get a chance to grow a primetime audience attracted to their style.

    This country is so backward in its media tastes, a fresh voice hasn't had an opportunity. Yet.

    While the idea that one needs to be a bit brainy to listen to OTB is amusing there is something in this, the greatest success of the programme is almost its greatest failing - it existed inside its own little Off the Ball universe of arcane facts, in-jokes and interviews with people that most will simply never have heard of discussing subjects like a Sonny Liston fight from 1964 or why the Chicago Bears have a player trading crisis as the season starts (both of these I've clearly made up to make the point!).

    This stuff is never going to draw a big listenership, which makes one wonder what the first hour of OTB would have contained if it ever did start at 6 pm when most people are making and eating their tea.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,741 ✭✭✭withless


    The word is spelt 'brainy'.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,036 ✭✭✭✭dulpit


    mike65 wrote: »
    While the idea that one needs to be a bit briany to listen to OTB is amusing there is something in this, the greatest success of the programme is almost its greatest failing - it existed inside its own little Off the Ball universe of arcane facts, in-jokes and interviews with people that most will simply never have heard of discussing subjects like a Sonny Liston fight from 1964 or why the Chicago Bears have a player trading crisis as the season starts (both of these I've clearly made up to make the point!).

    This stuff is never going to draw a big listenership, which makes one wonder what the first hour of OTB would have contained if it ever did start at 6 pm when most people are making and eating their tea.

    I will say that the discussions on really specific historical sporting events were quite informative and enjoyable, even when discussing events that I have no interest or knowledge of. Part of the appeal of the show is how they made it interesting talking about sports that I would ordinarily not care about...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 669 ✭✭✭whatstherush


    They have said through new twitter account they will be back on air soon
    Thank you all so, so much. Good news: We'll be back on air very soon. Bad news: We can't say where just yet...

    otby.jpg


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,940 ✭✭✭ballsymchugh


    good to see they're using their gardening leave wisely. so potentially 4 of the 5 will be back on air in 3 weeks? any bets where? must be 2fm as i don't see any reason for any other national station to need presenters with a big interest in GAA

    does anyone know if 2fm play that 'gerroff the bus ride with us' taxi ad? i haven't listened to 2fm since 2002 at the latest.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,150 ✭✭✭kumate_champ07


    Nwm2 wrote: »
    Funnily enough, at breakfast the other day with a bunch of guys 20s-30s, all highly into sports, I was the only regular listener, a large percentage never even heard of it.
    do they listen to any other radio programmes?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,205 ✭✭✭✭Utopia Parkway


    Tombo2001 wrote: »
    I actually find the listenership figures a little difficult to believe.

    This is the reason why.

    Personally, Off the Ball is the only radio show I listen to.

    Whats more, its the only radio show I would actively talk to people about.

    Most people I know, male, mid-thirties, would listen to the show. Especially if they are a sports fan.

    I could ask them about any other radio show, wouldnt have a clue.

    I'd like to know how the listenership figures are calculated.......because obviously that show was only attracting a particular type of listener.....

    Namely male, say between 20 upwards.....anyone who is interested in sport and listens to the radio basically.

    But for that particular type of listener, I'd say it had a huge % following, and I doubt that this was captured in the listenership figures.

    I think a lot of people actually got their content from the show via the podcasts either before bed or the next morning which don't count towards listenership figures.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,205 ✭✭✭✭Utopia Parkway




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,041 ✭✭✭✭Dodge




  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 13,230 Mod ✭✭✭✭Say Your Number


    Great that they're staying together, pity it's not on a national station though.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 644 ✭✭✭yohan the great


    Dodge wrote: »
    Are they Dublin only channels?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 786 ✭✭✭aw


    4fm would have to be the obvious choice given that it is near-national station. It has a big listenership in the other cities, although I understand not in Dublin where it is such a competitive market.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 451 ✭✭armchair fusilier


    Are they Dublin only channels?

    Nova is, 4fm is multi-regional i.e. Dublin, Cork, Limerick and Galway - which would make it the only realistic option of the two.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,779 ✭✭✭✭Ol' Donie


    Excellent article on the herald website by Anna Nolan.

    "39,000? I'd say the Angelus gets more than that"

    Jesus wept.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,528 ✭✭✭Lucious Sweet


    What's the betting they'll be back at Newstalk with a 6:'30 start time


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 27,856 ✭✭✭✭Dave!


    I don't even know the frequency for 4FM or Nova... they hardly have big listenership numbers do they? They'd be taking a paycut, no?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,845 ✭✭✭Hidalgo


    At the minute Gareth O Callaghan is on till 7pm, think he starts at 2 or maybe 3, its a long shift anyway.
    After 7pm they currently have club hits till 9 with Ray Shah and then a talk show from 9 till midnight.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,940 ✭✭✭ballsymchugh


    Ol' Donie wrote: »
    Excellent article on the herald website by Anna Nolan.

    "39,000? I'd say the Angelus gets more than that"

    Jesus wept.


    hasn't anna nolan overstayed her welcome in the public eye?!
    so she didn't listen to the show. i never to ray darcy. big deal.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,182 ✭✭✭GSF


    Dave! wrote: »
    I don't even know the frequency for 4FM or Nova... they hardly have big listenership numbers do they? They'd be taking a paycut, no?

    No way either of those stations would or could afford to run that show outside the 7-7 timeslots. The would either be on breakfast or more lily 4-7 drive.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,182 ✭✭✭GSF


    hasn't anna nolan overstayed her welcome in the public eye?!
    so she didn't listen to the show. i never to ray darcy. big deal.

    Nobody is forced to read the Herald either!


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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,849 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    If they join 4FM and are put on Breakfast/Drive then 4FM will have 3 talk based shows (alongside David Harvey and Niall Boylan). If they do end up going to 4FM I can see one of those shows getting the chop

    I'd be very surprised if they went to Nova because it's such a small market, the station has very few listeners and the show wouldn't really fit in with the "classic rock" genre.


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