Moyross and Ballymun

Zer0 · 10-03-2013 01:51PM

you'll find decent people in every area of ireland rather it be a rough area like ballymun or an alright area like foxrock.. the problem with ballymun is that it was built as an answer to the over crowding problem in dublins inner city.. when it was built it was built without a lot of resources and things to do for the youth of the area. ballymun, at the time of it's launch, had a crazy ratio of young single mothers living there which also affected things a lot.

then heroin came at the end of the 70's, early 80's which also ruined a lot of peoples lifes. you can argue that the press give ballymun a bad time etc, but the only reason this happens is because it is a rough area, it does have a high crime rate and high unemployment rate.. but nothing really gets done to tackle it, the problem just gets highlighted and no action is taken.

I grew up in a working class area in dublins south side, yes there was community spirit, and yeah I did meet some sound, genuine people, but there was a fair share of skangers that ruined it and also attached a bad name to the area. a bad name for an area doesn't just come from nowhere, something happens to make it so.

You can take what you want from any working class area, but remember that for every good person there is a bad one, but it helps to overlook this at times and try to see the positives, eg: community spirit, neighbourhood watch, neighbours that would help you with anything, from a cup of sugar to helping you fix something in the gaf.

harry Bailey esq · 10-03-2013 01:53PM

Fieldog wrote: »

Up in the town maybe - you have all walks of life to be fair, pikies, general scum, dubs who moved out this direction and wreck the place (I'm an import and I see it!) - some would give out about the black population in the town but to be honest I've never seen any crap from them other than **** parking and driving skills....

Take a walk out of the town to any part of the countryside surrounding area's and it's a pretty nice place with genuine people and quite a nice place to live....

(I live in Balrothery, slight bias!)

balrothery is a lovely spot,especially since the new shops and that opened,the pub boasts the finest lunch in the north county.id give my right arm to live there,you lucky dog you:)

Chemical Burn · 10-03-2013 01:57PM

LivelineDipso wrote: »

I have thought long and hard

Peter Griffin: hehehehe Long and Hard

Chemical Burn · 10-03-2013 01:59PM

LivelineDipso wrote: »

Two towns with the worst reputation yet the nicest and most geniune people living in them.

I have thought long and hard as to why this is. What is the great crime of the people in these working class comunities when we have the likes of the Quinns and Fitzspatricks and other uber-gombeen types who have done more damage to this nation that all the generations of people who ever lived in either Ballymun or Moyross.

It comes down to media. Irish journalists (mainly in newspapers) are the most class-obsessed wanknuts on this island.

They have generated a vicious stigma of the people living in these communities. It really does tell you a lot about the kind of pathologically driven social status-based types who become journalists.

What's the difference between Quinns and Ballymun crime?

One is white collar crime (I wouldn't even call it crime), I happen to think the Quinns are fairly decent people.

One is scummy crime carried out with no remorse and no distinction whatsoever would be shown between a young fit fan or a frail elderly woman. According to some violent scum from such places, they are all easy pickings.

10-03-2013 02:06PM

harry Bailey esq wrote: »

balrothery is a lovely spot,especially since the new shops and that opened,the pub boasts the finest lunch in the north county.id give my right arm to live there,you lucky dog you:)

They do a lovely lunch and carvery alright, one great thing about living out this way, it's great during the summer when there is loads to do I.e go to Ardgillen, walks on the beach etc but at Winter there ain't much to be at...

But I think that's the same in most parts of Ireland to be fair...

In saying that also - a lot of parts of NCD are only in the growth stages at the moment, the likes of the nice quiet estate I live in now could change in 4 or 5 years when all the kids (who all seem in or around 8) grow up to be teenager's, hopefully it won't be like the town closest to me....

cloud493 · 10-03-2013 02:09PM

I don't mind finglas or ballymun at all. Don't know If I'd leave where I am now though :P

I Luv Crysis · 10-03-2013 02:17PM

"Man shot dead in X area of Dublin"

Local resident: "X is usually such a quiet area, full of genuine people, etc"

kjl · 10-03-2013 02:21PM

I am from a posh part of Dublin and have the accent to boot. I did work on the Ballymun rejuvenation project back in around 2003.

My job was to call to a selected number of houses and do some interview with the people living there. One of the questions was rate you maths skills. Some of them didn't even know how to multiply by 10.

But actually I found most of them to be very pleasant. The only time I was weirder out what when this very big tattooed guy answered the door, he invited me in and actually turned out to be a very nice guy. Even those the apartment blocks looks like crap from the outside, most people had spent a lot of time making their apartment their own, looking very nice.

I wouldn't particularly like to live there, but I realise now that prejudging people because of where they come from in not right.

anto3473 · 10-03-2013 02:23PM

I lived in Ballymun for 5 years and never had any problem whatsoever. I've walked around Shangan road (one of the most "dangerous" areas of the mun) late at night hundreds of times (something which pepole say you should never do) to get to the off licence/chinese/centra and never had any bother whatsoever. Sure the place looks dodgey but its really only teenagers arsing around outside doing nothing or smoking a few joints - they dont bother you at all if you don't bother them. I've always felt safe in Ballymun.

Tralee my hometown on the other hand I've been assaulted for no reason in broad daylight in a shopping centre by a stranger, I've been spat at for not giving someone a cigarette to another total stranger, and when I was back in school I got into some ridiculously serious **** that could have genuinely got me killed when I warned a mate of mine there were lads that were going to jump him outside where he worked with a set of golf clubs because he slept with the wrong guy's girlfreind...

Ballymun doesent deserve it's bad reputation, Tralee even though I still like the place does.

harry Bailey esq · 10-03-2013 02:26PM

I Luv Crysis wrote: »

"Man shot dead in X area of Dublin"

Local resident: "X is usually such a quiet area, full of genuine people, etc"

its not as black and white as you think.in the past few years people have been shot in clontarf,firhouse,clonsilla,killester,portarlington and only the other day gormanstown.which one is area X? im confused.

mikemac1 · 10-03-2013 02:30PM

Renting in Ballyfermot a good few years.

So long I call the shop assistants and people I meet "love" :pac:

There is a sense of community for sure, elderly people who would do anything to help each other and they all look out for each other.
Would chat away to ya at the bus stops.

Equally there is the tracksuit brigade hanging around the shops and would throw beer bottles at you when your back is turned. :mad:

The very best and the very worst sort all living in the one area.

Why they hang around shops I don't know.

Boxing clubs, pitch n'putt, council leisure centre and swimming pools, basketball, rugby, soccer, GAA, computer clubs, huge FAS training centre, millions and millions pumped into "disadvantaged" areas, what a waste of money

Miss Lockhart · 10-03-2013 02:32PM

I wouldn't have put Ballymun at the top of the "dodgy" list tbh, at least not at this point in time.

I don't know Limerick at all but the media have certainly done a very good job at painting Moyross as thd worst hellhole in the country that you would be lucky to get out of alive. I'm obviously very sceptical since I know how exaggerated their portrayals of several Dublin suburbs are. I was recently looking at the map of relative disadvantage linked in a thread on the Dublin forum a while ago and was surprised to see that Moyross fares better than many areas of Dublin I'm familiar with.

mikemac1 · 10-03-2013 02:34PM

MCMLXXV wrote: »

To be fair most country people living / working in Dublin tend to know the city better than Dubs. That's my experience anyhow.

+1

As they move around and rent and need to know the best bus routes and nicest areas and quickest commutes.
Not 18 years of living in a small area and coming home to Mammy every day

3hn2givr7mx1sc · 10-03-2013 02:35PM

harry Bailey esq wrote: »

its not as black and white as you think.in the past few years people have been shot in clontarf,firhouse,clonsilla,killester,portarlington and only the other day gormanstown.which one is area X? im confused.

Makes me sad to see a Laois town in there. Such a ****ehole of a town.

eviltwin · 10-03-2013 02:39PM

I live in a "rough" part of West Dublin. I grew up in a fairly well to do, middle class part of Dublin. I've had a few issues since I moved here with anti social behaviour, called the guards a few times but nothing is done. It seems to be almost accepted as part of life here by everyone from locals to gardai to td's which is sad because its a tiny minority and the vast majority of people around me are really decent and just want to live a quiet life.

I would imagine its the same in places like Ballymun and Moyross, the places gets dragged down because a minority are allowed to get away with it and over time the place gets a reputation. Its sad when that reputation taints everyone. Its hard as a resident of those places to see your home being labelled as a kip.

mikemac1 · 10-03-2013 02:44PM

In 2005 when Primetime wanted to a do a show about crime I was not surprised they picked Tipp town.
A long while ago now but that show is remembered

Voted worst town in Tipp by the good folks on boards.ie Tipp forum

Terryglass was voted nicest town

It's a great place, do come and visit

admiralofthefleet · 10-03-2013 02:55PM

the sad thing about ballymun is when it was built services werent included, the people were let down terribly by the government of the time and successive governments. my aunt lives there most of her life, her daughter was born and raised there but to hear her accent you would say she came from malahide or howth
it just shows its not where you live its how you live/not where your from but who your from

suicide_circus · 10-03-2013 04:07PM

Even the word "Ballymun" sounds awful.

harry Bailey esq · 10-03-2013 04:12PM

baz2009 wrote: »

Makes me sad to see a Laois town in there. Such a ****ehole of a town.

that one was pretty recent too,not long before Christmas

rolliepoley · 10-03-2013 04:23PM

You know whats realily bad about this thread is that ballymun is nothing like what people expect it to be, its all hyped up by ****ty media heads that never set foot in the place.

3hn2givr7mx1sc · 10-03-2013 04:36PM

harry Bailey esq wrote: »

that one was pretty recent too,not long before Christmas

Was only a matter of time before something like that happened there anyway.

pabloh999 · 10-03-2013 04:55PM

suicide_circus wrote: »

Even the word "Ballymun" sounds awful.

really?
I can understand if it was called Knifedinthefaceville or syringeinthenecktown..
But Ballymun? It just sounds very Irishy too me

Capt'n Midnight · 10-03-2013 06:26PM

wendell borton wrote: »

They should built a wall around them, district 13 style.:-)

it's more like District 9

goose2005 · 10-03-2013 08:27PM

pabloh999 wrote: »

really?
I can understand if it was called Knifedinthefaceville or syringeinthenecktown..
But Ballymun? It just sounds very Irishy too me

Exactly. "Poor" estates often keep the townland name (e.g. Ballymakeally in Celbridge or Loughnamona in Leixlip) while posher estates will have an Irish-language name or something like Summervale Lawns

Nodin · 10-03-2013 08:30PM

admiralofthefleet wrote: »

the sad thing about ballymun is when it was built services werent included, the people were let down terribly by the government of the time and successive governments. my aunt lives there most of her life, her daughter was born and raised there but to hear her accent you would say she came from malahide or howth
it just shows its not where you live its how you live/not where your from but who your from

...which, shock horror suprise, was the same complaint made about Tallaght and - going on memory - a good deal of the estates that went up in the late 80's in around Finglas. It's almost as if some fecker got land rezoned and lashed up houses to make a few bob, with no proper oversight at all.....but sure that couldn't happen.

Gummy Panda · 10-03-2013 09:21PM

mikemac1 wrote: »

There was an interview involved to get Ballymun housing. The very best tenants on the list went there.

It wasn't a dumping ground for problem tenants as Limerick city council seem fond of doing these days to other areas

Ballymun was built to the latest designs and knowledge by copying English projects.
Maybe it turned into a disaster but it wasn't like that at the beginning.

Boo hoo, no facilities. What facilities do those in parishes and midland towns have but they don't get a national reputation.
If you're hanging around waste ground at 11pm it was you who put yourself there

they didn't even have a shop. People started using cargo containers and petrol generator to sell to the residents at stupid prices.

Nodin · 10-03-2013 09:23PM

mikemac1 wrote: »

.................
Boo hoo, no facilities. What facilities do those in parishes and midland towns have but they don't get a national reputation.
If you're hanging around waste ground at 11pm it was you who put yourself there

It's a question of scale. At one stage Tallaght had 100,000 people in it....one bus route serviced the area.

bigpink · 10-03-2013 09:28PM

Dwork wrote: »

Actually, this is pretty much the case. If you are from an area, it's home and probably the place you are most comfortable in, get on best with the local people and have most in common with. I grew up in a pretty rough area, never a bother, got on like a house on fire. I still live in an area with a "rough" image, thing is, most of the "rough" people here are my mates and workmates. And to me, they're the finest. Then again, I'm also fairly "rough". Most of the "rough" people I know well are not the sort to spit on anyone(pretty much the opposite actually) but they would not err, suffer fools gladly and might well resort to non-verbal means of showing their displeasure. I.E, you'd get a good smack fairly quickly. So, "working class" and "rough" don't automatically mean "scumbag". Very often the opposite is true.

So your mates are rough in what way?
I don't suffer fools or my mates but they woldnt hit people id say only in self defence

Dyr · 10-03-2013 09:33PM

mikemac1 wrote: »

There was an interview involved to get Ballymun housing. The very best tenants on the list went there.

It wasn't a dumping ground for problem tenants as Limerick city council seem fond of doing these days to other areas

Ballymun was built to the latest designs and knowledge by copying English projects.
Maybe it turned into a disaster but it wasn't like that at the beginning.

Boo hoo, no facilities. What facilities do those in parishes and midland towns have but they don't get a national reputation.
If you're hanging around waste ground at 11pm it was you who put yourself there

Actually the construction method used on the flats was french and it's implementation was flawed. Add do that the latest design at the time involved packing everything with asbestos.

As for comparing a massive population of kids in a small area with some parish in ballygobackwards? People warned the corpo and the politicians what was going to happen, didnt take a rocket scientist to figure it out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2P3ublGgyQ

bigpink · 10-03-2013 09:42PM

I put up in the Limerick forum before the list of facilties Moyross has

Moyross and Ballymun

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