Moyross and Ballymun

LivelineDipso

Two towns with the worst reputation yet the nicest and most geniune people living in them.

I have thought long and hard as to why this is. What is the great crime of the people in these working class comunities when we have the likes of the Quinns and Fitzspatricks and other uber-gombeen types who have done more damage to this nation that all the generations of people who ever lived in either Ballymun or Moyross.

It comes down to media. Irish journalists (mainly in newspapers) are the most class-obsessed wanknuts on this island.

They have generated a vicious stigma of the people living in these communities. It really does tell you a lot about the kind of pathologically driven social status-based types who become journalists.

boombang

I was recently cycling through Ballymun and I saw two boys seeming to give a young black lady hassle ahead of me. I stopped to ask her what they were doing. She replied they had been spitting on her. The blood boiled.

30 seconds later some unrelated scumbag threw his empty coke bottle at me as I cycled on just for the laugh.

I did some work in Ballymun about ten years ago and met a load of really decent people, but the petty unpleasantness of my more recent experience is hard to overlook.

Seachmall

Moyross and Ballymun (and other areas like them) are areas with high unemployment rates. High unemployment rates is related to poverty and poverty is related developing a strong sense of community. That requires you to be nice.

Going down a completely separate path poverty also leads to increased crime rates, so you have the image of them being dangerous areas.


They're two apparently contradictory characteristics of areas like Moyross and Ballymun but often are directly connected to eachother.

It's not about the journalists, nice people and scumbags are more than capable of emerging from the same estate.

LivelineDipso

boombang wrote: »

30 seconds later some unrelated scumbag threw his empty coke bottle at me as I cycled on just for the laugh.

Will you be having it garnished from your paypacket for the next several decades?

Jarrod

Are people from those areas really the nicest and most genuine?

Bergkamp 10

I've never met anyone from North Dublin who was actually truely genuine and nice. They're nice when they're trying to fleece you. Mostly uneducated and poorly dressed, its actually quiet intimidating listening to them. They have nothing to lose and most wouldnt think twice about sticking a knife to your neck.

pabloh999

Bergkamp 10 wrote: »

I've never met anyone from North Dublin who was actually truely genuine and nice. They're nice when they're trying to fleece you. Mostly uneducated and poorly dressed, its actually quiet intimidating listening to them. They have nothing to lose and most wouldnt think twice about sticking a knife to your neck.

Good one!
Made me laugh anyway

Andy-Pandy

Bergkamp 10 wrote: »

I've never met anyone from North Dublin who was actually truely genuine and nice. They're nice when they're trying to fleece you. Mostly uneducated and poorly dressed, its actually quiet intimidating listening to them. They have nothing to lose and most wouldnt think twice about sticking a knife to your neck.

North Dublin, all of it, really!! What a load of sh1te and i'm a South Sider.

nbar12

Bergkamp 10 wrote: »

I've never met anyone from North Dublin who was actually truely genuine and nice. They're nice when they're trying to fleece you. Mostly uneducated and poorly dressed, its actually quiet intimidating listening to them. They have nothing to lose and most wouldnt think twice about sticking a knife to your neck.

I'd love to know what parts you're talking about? I can only laugh at people who believe the hype that north Dublin is full of scumbags. I'd only consider a handful of places in north Dublin rough.

steddyeddy

Theres a brilliant senes of community in places like this and the people are very geniune

Dwork

Yeah, love Moyross. Last time I left, they stoned the van as a "goodbye". When we were working in Ballymun, amongst a masive, scuttery pile of hassle and grief we got, we were having tea in a portacabin during a break. We could hear an awful racket of a small engine under severe strain. Popped outside to see a deluded scumbag with a rock-breaker tied to his scooter, trying to drag it away. Didn't know wether to laugh or what. Burying size 12 workboot into said dope instead seemed best. Loved every minute there. Also loved bits of the Southside, so it's not just a northside thing. Donore Avenue springs to mind as a very special place to do work.

wendell borton

They should built a wall around them, district 13 style.:-)

AnonoBoy

Some people in places with horrible reputations are grand.

But horrible reputations don't just spring up from the mud and attach themselves to a place for no reason.

ShagNastii

I think both are a different kettle of fish.

The Celtic Tiger boys have gotten their fair share of stick from the press. Rightfully so, the papers have pointed out their excesses and pure scumbaggery.

The places like Ballymun and Moyross get a lot of press due to the high rates of crime and the many ill characters who live there or come from there.

It's tough that the "salt of the earth" people who have great community spirit get it thrown at them by the media that they live in places many believe are hell holes.

Calling a spade a spade, no sense of community or "good people" can make up for fact that you can probably name a million nicer places in country that have just as much community than Moyross or Ballymun.

smash

LivelineDipso wrote: »

Two towns with the worst reputation yet the nicest and most geniune people living in them.

This isn't the kind of generalisation I expected to read here...

Totally Tropical

boombang wrote: »

I was recently cycling through Ballymun and I saw two boys seeming to give a young black lady hassle ahead of me. I stopped to ask her what they were doing. She replied they had been spitting on her. The blood boiled.

30 seconds later some unrelated scumbag threw his empty coke bottle at me as I cycled on just for the laugh.

I did some work in Ballymun about ten years ago and met a load of really decent people, but the petty unpleasantness of my more recent experience is hard to overlook.

Agreed and the one thing these liberal do gooders ignore is that it's the honest genuine hard working people of places like Moyross in Limerick,Ballymun in Dublin and Knocknaheeny in Cork that suffer the most from the scum population in these areas.To brush things under the carpet and adapt this politically correct attitude that nothing is wrong with these areas helps no one.It only serves to worsen the situation in these areas.

Totally Tropical

Bergkamp 10 wrote: »

I've never met anyone from North Dublin who was actually truely genuine and nice. They're nice when they're trying to fleece you. Mostly uneducated and poorly dressed, its actually quiet intimidating listening to them. They have nothing to lose and most wouldnt think twice about sticking a knife to your neck.

You've shot yourself in the foot by giving away you're location mate!:D

Totally Tropical

nbar12 wrote: »

I'd love to know what parts you're talking about? I can only laugh at people who believe the hype that north Dublin is full of scumbags. I'd only consider a handful of places in north Dublin rough.

I speak here as an impartial Cork man but the soundest Dubs are from Finglas and similar areas on the northside.I find those sort of Dubs to have a straight talking manner as well as a zero tolerance for bull**** that i can relate to.:)

the groutch

Seachmall wrote: »

Nice people and scumbags are more than capable of emerging from the same estate.

THIS!

Patrick2010

Totally Tropical wrote: »

I speak here as an impartial Cork man but the soundest Dubs are from Finglas and similar areas on the northside.I find those sort of Dubs to have a straight talking manner as well as a zero tolerance for bull**** that i can relate to.:)

So the best places to live in Dublin are Finglas and Ballymun? And the best place to live in Limerick is Moyross?. Have you and the OP actually lived in these places?

Totally Tropical

Patrick2010 wrote: »

So the best places to live in Dublin are Finglas and Ballymun? And the best place to live in Limerick is Moyross?. Have you and the OP actually lived in these places?

I never said that.I just said i get on best with the more working class Dubs.

mfceiling

Bergkamp 10 wrote: »

I've never met anyone from North Dublin who was actually truely genuine and nice. They're nice when they're trying to fleece you. Mostly uneducated and poorly dressed, its actually quiet intimidating listening to them. They have nothing to lose and most wouldnt think twice about sticking a knife to your neck.

True.....the lady i know who has worked with disadvantaged kids all her life, and has fought tooth and nail to help these kids better themselves, and move on to further education and employment. Haven't noticed her poor dress sense and she hasn't put a knife to my throat yet.

goose2005

Bergkamp 10 wrote: »

I've never met anyone from North Dublin who was actually truely genuine and nice. They're nice when they're trying to fleece you. Mostly uneducated and poorly dressed, its actually quiet intimidating listening to them. They have nothing to lose and most wouldnt think twice about sticking a knife to your neck.

yeah, a goy in sutton tried, like to sell me a yacht for 80 grand and it was never worth more than 50. And i'm pretty sure his beemer was his dad's?

Dyr

wendell borton wrote: »

They should built a wall around them, district 13 style.:-)

They did with ballymun, locally known as the berliner

candy-gal1

i can honestly say from a good bit of personal experience, seeing with my own eyes and quite serious hearsay that ballymun isnt the greatest place to live to say the absolute least, and thats from 8 years experience for me :rolleyes:

but i will also say that it really depends on where you live there, aka ballymun man road = an actual decent enough place, any estates there = no way imho

Gummy Panda

candy-gal1 wrote: »

i can honestly say from a good bit of personal experience, seeing with my own eyes and quite serious hearsay that ballymun isnt the greatest place to live to say the absolute least, and thats from 8 years experience for me :rolleyes:

but i will also say that it really depends on where you live there, aka ballymun man road = an actual decent enough place, any estates there = no way imho

Ballymun is one of those places were you can turn the corner and the road you're on is a big contrast to the previous.

Dwork

Patrick2010 wrote: »

So the best places to live in Dublin are Finglas and Ballymun? And the best place to live in Limerick is Moyross?. Have you and the OP actually lived in these places?

Actually, this is pretty much the case. If you are from an area, it's home and probably the place you are most comfortable in, get on best with the local people and have most in common with. I grew up in a pretty rough area, never a bother, got on like a house on fire. I still live in an area with a "rough" image, thing is, most of the "rough" people here are my mates and workmates. And to me, they're the finest. Then again, I'm also fairly "rough". Most of the "rough" people I know well are not the sort to spit on anyone(pretty much the opposite actually) but they would not err, suffer fools gladly and might well resort to non-verbal means of showing their displeasure. I.E, you'd get a good smack fairly quickly. So, "working class" and "rough" don't automatically mean "scumbag". Very often the opposite is true.

candy-gal1

candy-gal1 wrote: »

but i will also say that it really depends on where you live there, aka ballymun man road = an actual decent enough place, any estates there = no way imho

I work in Northwood and the only experience I have of Ballymun is the Ballymun Road itself. Haven't seen any trouble there, so that seems to back you up.

Dwork wrote: »

Actually, this is pretty much the case. If you are from an area, it's home and probably the place you are most comfortable in, get on best with the local people and have most in common with. I grew up in a pretty rough area, never a bother, got on like a house on fire. I still live in an area with a "rough" image, thing is, most of the "rough" people here are my mates and workmates. And to me, they're the finest.

I'm from Ballyfermot originally and despite its rough reputation, it's still home to me so I'm comfortable there. I don't live there anymore but I'm usually out there every couple of weeks or so.

Madam_X

Dwork wrote: »

thing is, most of the "rough" people here are my mates and workmates. And to me, they're the finest. Then again, I'm also fairly "rough". Most of the "rough" people I know well are not the sort to spit on anyone(pretty much the opposite actually) but they would not err, suffer fools gladly and might well resort to non-verbal means of showing their displeasure. I.E, you'd get a good smack fairly quickly. So, "working class" and "rough" don't automatically mean "scumbag". Very often the opposite is true.

Ah anyone with even a grain of sense would agree with the above and apply it to the majority of people from areas with a bad rep. It's not incorrect to say though that some places with a bad rep (not all) have elements that intimidate people and subject them to a reign of terror. I remember a documentary about South Hill and Moyross and an elderly couple were being interviewed - they said they couldn't leave the house because they were so scared, and their children/grandchildren couldn't visit them. They just wanted to get out of there. These are extreme cases and lots of estates that are considered no-go areas have an undeserved reputation, but it's a reality in some places - and it's disingenuous to deny it and say it could happen anywhere.

But of course someone from an area that's considered "rough" and dresses/speaks in ways that are considered "rough" is not automatically a rough, dangerous person.

--Kaiser--

Someone told me a story about Moyross (or some similar estate in Limerick). A family had no sooner moved in then a couple of lads walked straight into the house and walked out with the TV, without saying a single word. The family were obviously intimidated but didn't know what to do. A few days later the same two lads came back with the TV saying 'Just checking ye out kid!'. As in, checking that the newcomers wouldn't call the guards.

Different world, really

Dwork

Madam_X wrote: »

Ah anyone with even a grain of sense would agree with the above and apply it to the majority of people from areas with a bad rep. It's disingenuous to say though that some places with a bad rep (not all) have elements that intimidate people and subject them to a reign of terror. I remember a documentary about South Hill and Moyross and an elderly couple were being interviewed - they said they couldn't leave the house because they were so scared, and their children/grandchildren couldn't visit them. They just wanted to get out of there. These are extreme cases and lots of estates that are considered no-go areas have an undeserved reputation, but it's a reality in some places - and it's disingenuous to deny it and say it could happen anywhere.

But of course someone from an area that's considered "rough" and dresses/speaks in ways that are considered "rough" is not automatically a rough, dangerous person.

I'm not stupid, I know this happens, I know it happens around here even. All I am saying is that if you are from "here", wherever "here" is, you've a better chance of not having issues. Some of the local young lads who hang out with my sons would be considered absolute holy terrors to everyone else. To me, I'm their mates dad and as such have a pass. If I wasn't, I'd probably be on here complaining about them. Ok, I wouldn't, because I'd batter em, but you get my drift. One of my kids is from Moyross, in his own head, as it happens. I do my utter best to repress that instinct. When I'm not looking, I probably fail. The teachers usually inform me of my failures. Which is great. Yeah. Maybe not.

Madam_X

You're lucky that you're well able though. Some people whom I know were scared sh1tless growing up and got out as fast as they could. But I know: home's home.

Dwork

Madam_X wrote: »

You're lucky that you're well able though. Some people whom I know were scared sh1tless growing up and got out as fast as they could. But I know: home's home.

Nope, I'm lucky that I have two sons who are well able(which came as a surprise). They are also born and raised here and are very, very popular(also a surprise). I moved in here, and usually, that does not end well, at all, no matter how hardy you might think you are. Round here, they're pretty hardy and plenty of newcomers have moved on rapidly.

Patrick2010

Dwork wrote: »

Nope, I'm lucky that I have two sons who are well able(which came as a surprise). They are also born and raised here and are very, very popular(also a surprise). I moved in here, and usually, that does not end well, at all, no matter how hardy you might think you are. Round here, they're pretty hardy and plenty of newcomers have moved on rapidly.

Because of intimidation?, strangers aren't welcome where you live?

Dwork

Patrick2010 wrote: »

Because of intimidation?, strangers aren't welcome where you live?

Pretty much. If you came here 15 years ago(I did and a bit before actually) strangers were a bit less than "welcome". That's not so much the case now, but before, yeah, pretty much. Good people, but just very clannish. Very much a case of "them or us".

Dwork

Dwork wrote: »

Very much a case of "them or us".

Sounds like my experience of Listowel tbh.

kowloon

High population density, low employment, little hop of anything improving. Combine the three for future landscapes of decaying concrete and exposed rebars.
I have my eye on Balbriggan for infamy in the making.

Dwork

kowloon wrote: »

High population density, low employment, little hop of anything improving. Combine the three for future landscapes of decaying concrete and exposed rebars.
I have my eye on Balbriggan for infamy in the making.

"In the making"?? Bal Briggan? No making required, it's ready assembled. Roooouughgh.

corktina

i've been to Moyross and Ballymun. I have to say that Knocknaheeney is not in the same class as either, i don't find it too bad anyway, having worked there.

Grayson

I've never been to Moyross, but ballymun is dodgy. There are probably some great people from there. I only know a couple personally and they are great. But the area itself is a ****hole. There's large swathes i wouldn't walk through at night.

Whereas i used to live in Blanchardstown. Most of Blanch I would feel safe in. Obviously not Corduff, but most of blanch

Dyr

Sitting down having my cup of coffee in the 'mun not seeing what the big deal is

admiralofthefleet

id be more afraid in dolphin house on the southside. people need to realise that the real divide is east/west i dublin. there are more rundown/working class/rough areas south of the liffey than north

arybvtcw0eolkf

LivelineDipso wrote: »

Two towns with the worst reputation yet the nicest and most geniune people living in them.

Don't kid yourself.

flanders1979

Bergkamp 10 wrote: »

I've never met anyone from North Dublin who was actually truely genuine and nice. They're nice when they're trying to fleece you. Mostly uneducated and poorly dressed, its actually quiet intimidating listening to them. They have nothing to lose and most wouldnt think twice about sticking a knife to your neck.

You need to keep better company

admiralofthefleet

Bergkamp 10 wrote: »

I've never met anyone from North Dublin who was actually truely genuine and nice. They're nice when they're trying to fleece you. Mostly uneducated and poorly dressed, its actually quiet intimidating listening to them. They have nothing to lose and most wouldnt think twice about sticking a knife to your neck.

i know you are trolling but can you give me an opinion on the following areas -

ballyfermot
clondalkin
tallaght
inchicore
kilmainham
drimnagh
crumlin
sundrive
ballybrack
sallynoggin
kilcross
moreen in sandyford
holylands
ringsend
south inner city
dolphins barn
walkinstown
bluebell
kylemore
meath street
monkstown (specifically monkstown farm)
mounttown flats
brookfield in blackrock
shanganagh cliffs in shankill


thanks

harry Bailey esq

Dwork wrote: »

"In the making"?? Bal Briggan? No making required, it's ready assembled. Roooouughgh.

agreed. balbriggan is a ghetto.lots of scum have migrated from Dublin proper,the native balbriggan scum(as scummy as the dubs just more reckless) are quickly learning the cunning ways of the Dublin chaps,then you have the large traveller population kicking the crap out of each other every other night then throw the non nationals into the mix and the rampant drug use across the board and chaos is bound to ensue.place is gone to the dogs,i find it very rough,and i come from a part of Dublin which constantly makes the papers for the wrong reasons.

Vicar in a tutu

You can get good and bad from every area, The people I've met from Ballymun have become some of my best friends, the nicest most caring people you can meet.

B.A._Baracus

This really is a great thread to point out the double standards of boards.ie (perhaps even society?)

- If I was to call nigerians scumbags I would be quickly met with people disputing that. Calling me a racist. Most likely even a ban.
- But it's perfectly ok to call people from certain areas "scumbags"

You could say it's the whole "It's ok to slag your own" - But thats crap. Let's face facts there are alot of scumbags in Ballymun. But here is the kicker, people in general are pricks. Life is a rat race. Everyone out for themselves. Be it from Ballymun or Blackrock or whatever. Such is life.

So it kinda bothers me when one can say "people from Ballymun/clondalkin/blanchardstown (etc etc) are scumbags" but dare say that about certain nationalites? :eek: ... oh well you are a "racist" :rolleyes:

starviewadams

There's dickheads in every area, just some areas they outnumber/outstrenghthen the normal folks.I live in North Clondalkin,the estate I live in was a no go area in the late 90's and early 00's.No buses,takeaway deliveries and you couldn't get a taxi to drop you anywhere near the estate.The culchie guards in the station about a minutes walk fom the estate couldn't give a ****e unless there was a murder.

There's still the nasty element living a few doors down from me,but the community got together about 5 years ago and tried to make things better,and I can honestly say that I'd rather live here,where the neighbours actual give a ****e about the people rather then in some 'peaceful' area where the inhabitants are strangers to each other.

I'd also strongly suggest that members of AGS from Dublin should actually be stationed in Dublin,as they seem to give way more of a shít then the Gardai who originate from the country do,imo.

Galwayguy35

There's good and bad in every area but I think we all know there would be a much higher percentage of skangers in the places mentioned despite the OPs rose tinted view of things, and I fully include areas of Galway as well in this.

Grayson

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

This really is a great thread to point out the double standards of boards.ie (perhaps even society?)

- If I was to call nigerians scumbags I would be quickly met with people disputing that. Calling me a racist. Most likely even a ban.
- But it's perfectly ok to call people from certain areas "scumbags"

You could say it's the whole "It's ok to slag your own" - But thats crap. Let's face facts there are alot of scumbags in Ballymun. But here is the kicker, people in general are pricks. Life is a rat race. Everyone out for themselves. Be it from Ballymun or Blackrock or whatever. Such is life.

So it kinda bothers me when one can say "people from Ballymun/clondalkin/blanchardstown (etc etc) are scumbags" but dare say that about certain nationalites? :eek: ... oh well you are a "racist" :rolleyes:

Feck off. saying some areas are dodgy isn't racist.

I know nigerians who are great. Nigeria itself is quite dodgy and there are places I as a white man couldn't go. Does it make me racist saying that? No.

Blanch isn't bad. But if i were to walk through corduff there's a chance someone could kick the **** out of me. Wouldn't happen in waterville across the road. Why? Cos there's scumbags in Corduff. Are they all scumbags? no. I know some great people from there. But there are scumbags there and i certainly wouldn't walk through that place alone at night.