Have you ever experienced hibernophobia?

kunst nugget · 08-03-2013 12:03PM

dizzywizlw wrote: »

If you're referring to the lack of suitable land due to colonialism and indeed market demand for cattle as well as the poor socioeconomic relations in Ireland, I'm aware of these.

I admit it can seem chicken and egg.

What about the lack of an export ban in 1840s, which had been put in place in the 1780s? They were growing more than one crop on their lands but only the potatoes were being used to feed families.

crockholm · 08-03-2013 12:23PM

dizzywizlw wrote: »

If you're referring to the lack of suitable land due to colonialism and indeed market demand for cattle as well as the poor socioeconomic relations in Ireland, I'm aware of these.

I admit it can seem chicken and egg.

I really would suggest you read a little more,or if it's something that sounds like "trawling "(pun),then you've hooked (pun)

Mr Benevolent · 08-03-2013 12:27PM

Why would anyone be afraid of winter?*

*Hibernia = Winterland in Latin.

tipptom · 08-03-2013 01:07PM

kunst nugget wrote: »

And you seem like someone that is incapable of engaging in rational thought. What could possible lead you to believe I'd support the far right from what I've written. I think you need a good cup of common sense and a hug.

I can not see why you would say we all chant Tiofaidh ar La after the fields of Athenry or their is an IRA recruitment in the scouts or your sarcastic comments about the famine,what is the point,these are things the far right and Willie Fraser come out with and enjoy repeating that Irish people agree with them,if you cant see that,ypu need to get some common sense and something the opposite of a hug.
Hey,as much as I disagree with some of your posts and your arguments about humour,I can see some sort of argument for everything being subject to humour.I think Steve Coogan done a good job about the famine on it on Alan Partridge but it really makes little sense to these far right groups because they are just not intelligent enough to get that(A la David Cameron and the song Eton Rifles),on the contrary,it leads them to believe that even the Irish agree with them,hence the big drive to recruit Irish people in recent years.
I can really see why that is because there is a substantial amount of young Irish people now that echo some of our medias line that it was all our fault we starved(to thick to fish and the lazy Irish Catholic relying on one type of potato}and Paddy started all the violence down through the years by not appreciating our neighbours generosity while he was in Ireland.

kunst nugget · 08-03-2013 01:35PM

tipptom wrote: »

I can not see why you would say we all chant Tiofaidh ar La after the fields of Athenry or their is an IRA recruitment in the scouts or your sarcastic comments about the famine,what is the point,these are things the far right and Willie Fraser come out with and enjoy repeating that Irish people agree with them,if you cant see that,ypu need to get some common sense and something the opposite of a hug.
Hey,as much as I disagree with some of your posts and your arguments about humour,I can see some sort of argument for everything being subject to humour.I think Steve Coogan done a good job about the famine on it on Alan Partridge but it really makes little sense to these far right groups because they are just not intelligent enough to get that(A la David Cameron and the song Eton Rifles),on the contrary,it leads them to believe that even the Irish agree with them,hence the big drive to recruit Irish people in recent years.
I can really see why that is because there is a substantial amount of young Irish people now that echo some of our medias line that it was all our fault we starved(to thick to fish and the lazy Irish Catholic relying on one type of potato}and Paddy started all the violence down through the years by not appreciating our neighbours generosity while he was in Ireland.

Again, because for some reason I need to re-iterate this point for you, if I or somebody else jokes about Irish republicanism or history, it is not automatically because they are a Unionist. If I mock republicanism it's because I feel that what it represents today has nothing to do with my life. Maybe you find something to respect about paramilitary activity or the ill formed man in the pub spouting **** about Irish oppression by the British while wearing a Liverpool top, I don't.

Everything and anything is open to being poked fun at, it's the intent that is the important thing between whether it is purely to take the piss or to be bigoted. Father Ted poked fun at Irish people and Irish stereotypes - were they being bigoted?

And what media line are you talking about that says it's our fault we starved. I've never once read anything like this in the Irish press.

Fratton Fred · 08-03-2013 01:59PM

tipptom wrote: »

I can not see why you would say we all chant Tiofaidh ar La after the fields of Athenry or their is an IRA recruitment in the scouts or your sarcastic comments about the famine,what is the point,these are things the far right and Willie Fraser come out with and enjoy repeating that Irish people agree with them,if you cant see that,ypu need to get some common sense and something the opposite of a hug.
Hey,as much as I disagree with some of your posts and your arguments about humour,I can see some sort of argument for everything being subject to humour.I think Steve Coogan done a good job about the famine on it on Alan Partridge but it really makes little sense to these far right groups because they are just not intelligent enough to get that(A la David Cameron and the song Eton Rifles),on the contrary,it leads them to believe that even the Irish agree with them,hence the big drive to recruit Irish people in recent years.
I can really see why that is because there is a substantial amount of young Irish people now that echo some of our medias line that it was all our fault we starved(to thick to fish and the lazy Irish Catholic relying on one type of potato}and Paddy started all the violence down through the years by not appreciating our neighbours generosity while he was in Ireland.

Actually, I would see it more as people taking the piss out of those that harp on about a tragedy that happened 170 years ago as if it was yesterday.

tipptom · 08-03-2013 02:55PM

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Actually, I would see it more as people taking the piss out of those that harp on about a tragedy that happened 170 years ago as if it was yesterday.

The only reason the famine keeps coming up is because it has become something that is used to try and insult irish people about how many of us died during that period and should be celebrated that so many Irish were taken out by starvation.When I lived in England during the 70s,80s and 90s it was something that was very little used by extremists against Irish people but seems to be something that has caught traction in Scotland and has moved around the world as something that is ok to shout at Irish people.Forgive me for not seeing the houmor in it.

Where does your self appointed timeline end?,is it ok to take the piss out of Jewish people and chant "gas" at them for harping on about it as you put it,because it happened 70 years ago as if it was yesterday.
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The only people harping on about it here are people making fun out of it and goading for a reaction.

Fratton Fred · 08-03-2013 03:01PM

tipptom wrote: »

The only reason the famine keeps coming up is because it has become something that is used to try and insult irish people about how many of us died during that period and should be celebrated that so many Irish were taken out by starvation.When I lived in England during the 70s,80s and 90s it was something that was very little used by extremists against Irish people but seems to be something that has caught traction in Scotland and has moved around the world as something that is ok to shout at Irish people.Forgive me for not seeing the houmor in it.

Where does your self appointed timeline end?,is it ok to take the piss out of Jewish people and chant "gas" at them for harping on about it as you put it,because it happened 70 years ago as if it was yesterday.
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The only people harping on about it here are people making fun out of it and goading for a reaction.

People shouting potatoes aren't referring to the famine. It is stereotyping, the same way the Germans get called krauts (as in sauerkraut) or the French get called frogs.

The English get called roast beef by the French and limeys by the Americans for similar reasons.

I would suggest 99% of people shouting potato haven't even heard of the famine.

tipptom · 08-03-2013 03:08PM

kunst nugget wrote: »

Again, because for some reason I need to re-iterate this point for you, if I or somebody else jokes about Irish republicanism or history, it is not automatically because they are a Unionist. If I mock republicanism it's because I feel that what it represents today has nothing to do with my life. Maybe you find something to respect about paramilitary activity or the ill formed man in the pub spouting **** about Irish oppression by the British while wearing a Liverpool top, I don't.

Everything and anything is open to being poked fun at, it's the intent that is the important thing between whether it is purely to take the piss or to be bigoted. Father Ted poked fun at Irish people and Irish stereotypes - were they being bigoted?

And what media line are you talking about that says it's our fault we starved. I've never once read anything like this in the Irish press.

Why do you need re-iterate something which I never said,where have I said you are a Unionist?.I know plenty of Unionists and they have more respect for 100,000s of Irish people who died during the Famine than you.
And this same old tired bullsh*t about every Irishman spouting provoism while wearing a premiership top,get something original for yourself instead of lifting the same old quotes of the Sunday Independant.

tipptom · 08-03-2013 03:14PM

Fratton Fred wrote: »

People shouting potatoes aren't referring to the famine. It is stereotyping, the same way the Germans get called krauts (as in sauerkraut) or the French get called frogs.

The English get called roast beef by the French and limeys by the Americans for similar reasons.

I would suggest 99% of people shouting potato haven't even heard of the famine.

You obviously never been to football matches in Scotland or England.

Fratton Fred · 08-03-2013 03:17PM

tipptom wrote: »

You obviously never been to football matches in Scotland or England.

No, never.

LoL.

kunst nugget · 08-03-2013 03:22PM

tipptom wrote: »

Why do you need re-iterate something which I never said,where have I said you are a Unionist?.I know plenty of Unionists and they have more respect for 100,000s of Irish people who died during the Famine than you.
And this same old tired bullsh*t about every Irishman spouting provoism while wearing a premiership top,get something original for yourself instead of lifting the same old quotes of the Sunday Independant.

Well, you keep implying that everything I say is the same as what Combat 18 or prominent Unionist would come out with. I'm starting to feel terribly victimised by you. Does that make me a truer Irish person in your eyes? Or maybe you can fill me in on what you think makes a decent Irish person?

parc · 08-03-2013 03:23PM

FTA69 wrote: »

I've been living in England for a few years and unfortunately anti-Irish sentiment does exist. Any Irish person who has lived here for a length of time may not experience outright hostility (although they will eventually), but they certainly will experience patronising and belittling behaviour based on their nationality or accent at some stage.

Like all forms of racism, anti-Irish sentiment can take many forms; some subtle and some not so subtle. The far-right anti-everyone brigade do exist in England and more than once have I encountered it. It's also important to remember that this particular strain isn't limited to the poorer working class but also the "Middle England" crowd who are suspicious of anything that isn't white British. Similarly many people will engage in p*ss-taking over your accent, making crude imitations in faux-paddy tones or insinuating you're some sort of loveable gobsh*te. I've been in pubs and restaurants and actually had complete strangers sitting next to me saying "potato potato" to each other and p*ssing themselves laughing. When I first came here at age 19 I was at a party and the minute I opened my mouth people started bursting their arse laughing at the way I spoke, something that isn't the most pleasant of experiences to say the least.

On top of the above you'll often get English people who simply don't get the fact that Ireland isn't a part of the UK, or that Ireland isn't a nation in its own right. This behaviour is a product of a centuries-long attitude of superiority that unfortunately exists whereupon the south of England is the centre of the universe and Scotland, Ireland etc are simply extensions of that.

Interestingly enough an article about this was published in the Irish Times and the comments section was full of claims about how anti-Irish sentiment doesn't exist and everyone just has a giant chip on their shoulder etc. This is b*llocks to say the least and people pretending there aren't swathes of British society that look down on us are bloody deluded to say the least.

I think the above is untrue, from my point of view anyway. Obviously it's your own experience. I lived in England and they only people I'm wary of from a xenophobic standpoint are white uneducated people from a certain areas, over a certain age.

The younger people are cool and you don't get it from them at all. Another person was talking about Indians not liking Irish. Again very untrue from my perspective. Maybe the Muslim Pakistanis may not like our drinking culture but I've never experienced this from them (though I'm not in contact with them really)

I have experienced the odd "Irish comment" but that's very rare. I find that it comes mostly from older people or young white working class people, the type of people that say "pacifically" instead of "specifically", which says it all really.

One thing I do remember is if someone says "yeah but you're Irish" as a retort in a bantering match then they have lost. It's probably the lamest comeback there is, so if you hear that, you're winning.

summerskin · 08-03-2013 03:23PM

tipptom wrote: »

You obviously never been to football matches in Scotland or England.

possibly the funniest post i've seen on boards.

Fratton Fred · 08-03-2013 03:43PM

summerskin wrote: »

possibly the funniest post i've seen on boards.

I can see his point though.

Last game I was at we spent five minutes abusing the board of directors, five minutes abusing Southampton and the rest of the game having a good old laugh at the Irish famine.

GerB40 · 08-03-2013 03:43PM

Lucy and Harry wrote: »

Some Red Heads are nice

She's a ride. If only she had a soul...

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 08-03-2013 03:54PM

tipptom wrote: »

You obviously never been to football matches in Scotland or England.

I think football matches are the worst possible way to gauge public opinion towards other nationalities. Case in point, Rovers v Linfield last week.

Tabnabs · 08-03-2013 04:08PM

I worked for a number of years in the UK and around the world with British lads. In terms of anti Irish experiences:

I had Rangers/Loyalist chants directed at me by a couple of Scottish colleagues (I have zero interest in football, so that one was odd).
A drunk Geordie colleague telling me "you Irish and your fcuking potato famine mentality"
In one Scottish pub we drank in an English colleague kindly recommended that he go to the bar as my accent wouldn't be too welcome.
Plenty of banter along the lines of "thick mick", "paddy load" (carrying too much and dropping it, i.e. too lazy and stupid to do it over several trips), not pronouncing th's correctly and lots of imitating Irish accents.

Interestingly on a number of (mainly British) specialist forums that I frequent, when there are jokes threads, the quantity of Irish jokes can be quite surprising. But no sign of Jewish, Black, Asian jokes etc. But many British do still see the Irish as fair game to stereo type. #

Abroad I have also had a couple of Norwegians equate Irish with being Catholic and this being a very negative thing and quite a few continentals will lump Irish in with British as in "you're all the same". It's never popular when you say, Ah sure Dutch/German, that's the same too...

con___manx1 · 08-03-2013 04:11PM

I was in heathrow airport just talking to a friend and I could see a security guard turn around when he heard us taking probly because he heard are irish accents. he told us t follow him and he got some device and scanned our bags. I asked him what he was doing and he said he was looking for traces of explosive material. he must have taught we were in the Ira or something just because we were irish.

kunst nugget · 08-03-2013 04:13PM

con___manx1 wrote: »

I was in heathrow airport just talking to a friend and I could see a security guard turn around when he heard us taking probly because he heard are irish accents. he told us t follow him and he got some device and scanned our bags. I asked him what he was doing and he said he was looking for traces of explosive material. he must have taught we were in the Ira or something just because we were irish.

Thank God they only do that to Muslims now…

Fratton Fred · 08-03-2013 04:33PM

con___manx1 wrote: »

I was in heathrow airport just talking to a friend and I could see a security guard turn around when he heard us taking probly because he heard are irish accents. he told us t follow him and he got some device and scanned our bags. I asked him what he was doing and he said he was looking for traces of explosive material. he must have taught we were in the Ira or something just because we were irish.

It's not surprising really, it's not like you get that many Irish in Heathrow, other than the fifty or so flights a day

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 08-03-2013 04:55PM

Tabnabs wrote: »

I worked for a number of years in the UK and around the world with British lads. In terms of anti Irish experiences:

I had Rangers/Loyalist chants directed at me by a couple of Scottish colleagues (I have zero interest in football, so that one was odd).
A drunk Geordie colleague telling me "you Irish and your fcuking potato famine mentality"
In one Scottish pub we drank in an English colleague kindly recommended that he go to the bar as my accent wouldn't be too welcome.
Plenty of banter along the lines of "thick mick", "paddy load" (carrying too much and dropping it, i.e. too lazy and stupid to do it over several trips), not pronouncing th's correctly and lots of imitating Irish accents.

Interestingly on a number of (mainly British) specialist forums that I frequent, when there are jokes threads, the quantity of Irish jokes can be quite surprising. But no sign of Jewish, Black, Asian jokes etc. But many British do still see the Irish as fair game to stereo type. #

Abroad I have also had a couple of Norwegians equate Irish with being Catholic and this being a very negative thing and quite a few continentals will lump Irish in with British as in "you're all the same". It's never popular when you say, Ah sure Dutch/German, that's the same too...

Glasgow, check. Newcastle, very surprised. Continent, being associated with catholicism is a bit of a negative thing and does happen, but there is no way continentals say "you're all the same" when corrcted. Not a chance.

con___manx1 wrote: »

I was in heathrow airport just talking to a friend and I could see a security guard turn around when he heard us taking probly because he heard are irish accents. he told us t follow him and he got some device and scanned our bags. I asked him what he was doing and he said he was looking for traces of explosive material. he must have taught we were in the Ira or something just because we were irish.

The accuracy of this I find highly dubious. If it is accurarte there's something you're not telling us.

con___manx1 · 08-03-2013 06:51PM

honestly I was disgusted. I wasn't talking to my friend about anything sinister so why would he search my bag for explosives? that's the only reason I can come up was the fact we were Irish. it was my first time in heathrow too. I have been too heathrow a couple of times since then and nothing happened but I think that security guard definitely suffers from hibernophobia

ScumLord · 08-03-2013 06:58PM

kunst nugget wrote: »

Thank God they only do that to Muslims now…

The problem is though the computer systems can't tell the difference between a Muslim with a beard and an atheist with a beard. The new face scanners at Gatwick threw a hissy fit the last time I went through. The funny thing is after about 4 attempts the security just say ignore it and go through. By the time I got to the gate were they had one more scanner they were just ignoring it completely so there were essentially no security checks on me.

Fratton Fred · 08-03-2013 08:27PM

con___manx1 wrote: »

honestly I was disgusted. I wasn't talking to my friend about anything sinister so why would he search my bag for explosives? that's the only reason I can come up was the fact we were Irish. it was my first time in heathrow too. I have been too heathrow a couple of times since then and nothing happened but I think that security guard definitely suffers from hibernophobia

Where in Heathrow were you, because random explosives checks are standard. An anti Irish security guard would be kept very busy hassling the thousands of Irish people who travel through there on a daily basis.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 09-03-2013 12:11AM

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Where in Heathrow were you, because random explosives checks are standard. An anti Irish security guard would be kept very busy hassling the thousands of Irish people who travel through there on a daily basis.

Curious also to know why I was never checked at Gatwick Airport after leaving a package unatended and have to race back for it when "Max Speed" was called the the Witherspoon's bar. And this was 2002.

tipptom · 09-03-2013 12:30PM

Fratton Fred wrote: »

I can see his point though.

Last game I was at we spent five minutes abusing the board of directors, five minutes abusing Southampton and the rest of the game having a good old laugh at the Irish famine.

Well believe that,bet your a Chelsea supporter,been to Stamford bridge many time as a Southampton supporter living in London.

Weathering · 09-03-2013 01:11PM

old hippy wrote: »

Ironically, I see no difference between her sectariansim and your bigotted remark.

Go hug a tree hippy. She was being ignorant for no reason,I don't let people walk over me and she deserved it and brought it in herself. Why don't build a mountain so you can look down on people a little bit more

Weathering · 09-03-2013 01:11PM

old hippy wrote: »

Ironically, I see no difference between her sectariansim and your bigotted remark.

Go hug a tree hippy. She was being ignorant for no reason,I don't let people walk over me and she deserved it and brought it in herself. Why don't build a mountain so you can look down on people a little bit more

JamBur · 09-03-2013 01:18PM

My wife is Romanian, and I spent a few years living there. When I was first there, one of her friends warned her off the Irish in general. Seemingly we are violent!

Have you ever experienced hibernophobia?

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